I've had 2 years of community colleage in which I learned to run a sorter and 401 tab machine using punch cards I also learned 360 assembly language, PL/1 and Cobol in 1 year which did not cover all that much. The 2 year degree got me my first job after that It had little value. I've been in the IT business for 38 years. I had thought about getting a 4 year degree in computer science but found that all I would have learned is how to write a cobol compiler and code my own rs232 protocal. I did not think that would be all that usful so I decided to pass and make money. Dave Hilpert