go to php.net and see if it says anything there about infrared. if not (as i suspect) then you probably can't do it. maybe someone on a suitable php forum will have a bright idea for you. -- Raoul Snyman Saturn Laboratories e-mail: raoul.snyman@saturnlaboratories.co.za web: http://www.saturnlaboratories.co.za/ blog: http://blog.saturnlaboratories.co.za/ linux user: #333298