Gary, I would agree with Code Frog. Of course, I also am an Iron Speed MVP. I can identify with your frustration while the product was going through growing pains; I experienced frustrations in those earlier versions myself. However, I have found that version 3.x was better than 1.x and 2.x by a good stride. 4.x is a dream. The code model was changed over previous versions and now it is much more organized and FAR easier to figure out how/where to make those code customizations. The stability of the product has increased a ton since 1.x and 2.x versions and Iron Speed's track record of releases in the 4.x range has been far more solid than ever before. Version 1.x was released in 2003 and 2.x in 2004 - that's three to four years ago. And a lot has changed in the last several years as the product matured. So by all means, if you haven't used the tool in a while, try it again with an open mind and without the luggage from the past and I'm sure you will be very pleased. And for your 'major' customized screens (if you have any), you COULD use GridView's, DataSets, DataAdaptors and the works - added to an 'empty' Iron Speed page if you really have some crazy requirements. I find that I only do this about 1% of the time. And with the [new] ease of integrating 3rd party controls (like Telerik or Infragistics, etc.) you can make your Iron Speed app really sing. Thanks, Jim

Jim Murphy River City Software Development, Inc. http://www.rcsdev.com