This is a huge problem with .NET If you're a small company and generally don't distribute your apps on CD, .NET is severly limiting your potential market. I've managed to compile C++ 6.0 using Studio.NET and the final exe does not require the 22MB framework but I have been unsuccessful with VB.net I agree that EVENTUALLY, everyone will have the framework installed, but untill then, would you download a 22.1MB application or a 100Kb application? Rick Eastes. http://www.eastes.net