Huor, Thank so much for your time. This is very helpful and at least sends me in the right direction! It seems like most experienced programmers are too jaded to offer help here. Like giving a handout to a poor person that hasn't helped themselves. Like I'm just looking for a handout because I'm too stupid to google or use the "search" features. "Oh please Mr programming constultant, help me for free, please, my family is dying from starvation and and...my dog has fleas...I need more code" "Begone peasant!! I have no time for new coders! I'm solving much higher and more important recursion problems and pointer issues! Why don't you use the search feature." Bah!