I'm here as well (at the Omni). Just let me know when and where. [Borrowed] email pager: orinwalker_AT_imcingular_DOT_com. sbl Still can't believe I found all of K.S.'s heads and won stuff for doing it...

You are correct. I just had to set the size to arbitrary values (10,10,10,10) and show it. Then getinsets returned the proper info. I then just hide it, size it correctly and carry on. Thanks, sbl

Anyone know an easy way do get the "client area" of a JFrame? I'm not using a layout manager. I need to know the size of the window *not* including the title bar. I'm writing code in the constructor of the frame. I tried getInsets, but it always returns 0's. Thanks, sbl

I am trying to get tooltips to work in a dialog application over a static control. In maindlg.h I declare: CToolTipCtrl ctipQStatus And in OnInitDialog: RECT rcTest; BOOL bTest = ::GetWindowRect(GetDlgItem(IDC_MGOOD), &rcTest); CToolInfo ctiTest(TTF_CENTERTIP, m_hWnd, IDC_MGOOD,&rcTest, "Tooltip Test"); HWND hwTest = ctipQStatus.Create(m_hWnd); bTest = ctipQStatus.AddTool(ctiTest); ctipQStatus.Activate(TRUE); Am I just completely missing how to use this? Thanks, sbl

YES, you can. It's called WTL (Windows Template Library). It's on the Platform SDK, and it's great. You can create full-featured apps without MFC bloat and no dependencies.

But is it possible to create a rebar that is permanently attached at the bottom edge of the frame, just above the status bar (and support show/hide also)?