I do it daily! Good Ole'bats! I hard code all internet pages and have a slick program built in access that creates the bat and ftp to do all of my bidding. Its safer, cleaner, fast and far better than drag and drop or any other method I can find for ftping. The access programs archives and does just about evrything else too. But... in computer years, I too am an "Old fogie." It's sort of odd when you have been programming vb longer than some of young'ns who are programming today have been alive, and that says nothing of having worked the basic "Basic". But hey don't let the gray hair fool you, I can still keep up with the best of them! hmmm... So I hear through the grape vine that you were "the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post"