hobbywise back in the seventies, 8080, z80, 6800, 6502... and my alltime favorite, the 2650 (anybody know what that was?) and all programming done in assembler. hog heaven if you ask me! and great fun too... squeezing all desired functionality in as few bytes as possible... save a byte, get a sixpack (remember?) professionally, macro-11 and fortran on pdp-11s under rt-11sj/fb/xm and rsx-11s/m. after that the pc and the subsequent demise of a great art/craft. remember this one? - Real programmers don't write specs -- Users should consider themselves lucky to get any programs at all and take what they get. - Real programmers don't comment their code. If it was hard to write, it should be hard to read. - Real programmers don't write application programs, they program right down on the bare metal. Application programming is for feebs who can't do systems programming. - Real programmers don't eat quiche. They eat twinkies, and szechevan food. - Real programmers programs never work right the first time. But if you throw them on the machine they can be patched into working in only a few 30-hours debugging sessions. - Real programmers don't write in Fortran. Fortran is for pipe stress freaks and crystallography weenies. Read the full article here: http://www.travelnotes.de/california/silicon/realprog.htm