The Wonder of Shari'a
-
kgaddy has a tendency to find the flimsiest of sites that report the weirdest of events, then extrapolates that to all things Islam. My initial reaction is to assume the report itself is false, until I can find supporting evidence.
Quran Lectures (updated 1/3/06) "They are MUSLIM. It does not matter how you split it up: all msulims (so they say) see every other muslim as a brother, regardless of origin or nationality." -legalAlien. Alhamdullah for the blessing of Islam
A.A. wrote:
My initial reaction is to assume the report itself is false, until I can find supporting evidence.
Typical. I'm sure that such an open society like Iran will be glad to tell you exactly what's going on. My mom told me once that "while we all don't speak the same language, everyone in the world undestands an asskicking" -- modified at 17:53 Thursday 12th January, 2006
-
Alvaro Mendez wrote:
Perhaps a more practical approach would have been to invade, find and kill Saddam and his followers, install an interim government, and pull out
What do you think is going on right now? You can't just "install an interim government" without some attempt to making it stable. And you can't expect people with little practical experience in self-governing to just magically have a functioning government in a few months or whatever timeframe would suit you. BW
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
-- Steven Wrightbrianwelsch wrote:
What do you think is going on right now?
Suicide bombers, almost on a daily basis.
brianwelsch wrote:
You can't just "install an interim government" without some attempt to making it stable. And you can't expect people with little practical experience in self-governing to just magically have a functioning government in a few months or whatever timeframe would suit you.
I agree, but that's what experts are for. We're supposed to be experts in democracy and nation building, aren't we? So bring in the experts and have them train the Iraqis in getting their nation going. I don't see why we need a 100,000+ armed presense for an indefinite period of time. It just seems to aggravate the situation. Regards, Alvaro
-
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
my son,when did i deny it?
I am in now way related to you. I think your having a hard time he so I will explain. All you said was hanging a girl from be raped was not sharia. Ok, fine. Now lets move on.... DO YOU SUPPORT SHARIA LAW? Is that slow enough? My mom told me once that "while we all don't speak the same language, everyone in the world undestands an asskicking"
kgaddy wrote:
I am in now way related to you. I think your having a hard time he so I will explain.
i am nt having hard time but you were having difficulty:D
kgaddy wrote:
DO YOU SUPPORT SHARIA LAW?
Before i answer you,tell em what you know about Shariyah law and my question is very legitimate here ,cos if some guy asks me about Methods in context of OOP and have no idea about *function/proc* at all then i cant explain him,my analogy is not so good i know but it does explain my point.
kgaddy wrote:
Is that slow enough?
its not bout slow,its all about how much you grasp
http://weblogs.com.pk/kadnan | kadnan.blogspot.com | AJAX based Contact Form for Blogger or any other website
-
brianwelsch wrote:
What do you think is going on right now?
Suicide bombers, almost on a daily basis.
brianwelsch wrote:
You can't just "install an interim government" without some attempt to making it stable. And you can't expect people with little practical experience in self-governing to just magically have a functioning government in a few months or whatever timeframe would suit you.
I agree, but that's what experts are for. We're supposed to be experts in democracy and nation building, aren't we? So bring in the experts and have them train the Iraqis in getting their nation going. I don't see why we need a 100,000+ armed presense for an indefinite period of time. It just seems to aggravate the situation. Regards, Alvaro
Alvaro Mendez wrote:
So bring in the experts and have them train the Iraqis in getting their nation going.
Again, That's what is happening now.
Alvaro Mendez wrote:
I don't see why we need a 100,000+ armed presense for an indefinite period of time.
That why you are a programmer, and we have other people, like generals who know a lot more about this stuff than you or I. What would your response be to a person who said to you "Why are you charging me so much? It's just a webpage." You would probaly try to explain that there is much more involved than just creating buch of pages for a website. Like creating databases, tables, sprocs. Creating your business layer, getting the site running on a box. ect. I other words, you or I are not trained to know how many troops are needed. Lets leave that to the guys getting the job done. My mom told me once that "while we all don't speak the same language, everyone in the world undestands an asskicking"
-
kgaddy wrote:
I am in now way related to you. I think your having a hard time he so I will explain.
i am nt having hard time but you were having difficulty:D
kgaddy wrote:
DO YOU SUPPORT SHARIA LAW?
Before i answer you,tell em what you know about Shariyah law and my question is very legitimate here ,cos if some guy asks me about Methods in context of OOP and have no idea about *function/proc* at all then i cant explain him,my analogy is not so good i know but it does explain my point.
kgaddy wrote:
Is that slow enough?
its not bout slow,its all about how much you grasp
http://weblogs.com.pk/kadnan | kadnan.blogspot.com | AJAX based Contact Form for Blogger or any other website
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
Before i answer you
"Sharia (Arabic: شريعة; also Sharī'ah, Shari'a, Shariah or Syariah) is the Arabic word for Islamic law, also known as the Law of Allah. Islam classically draws no distinction between religious, and secular life. Hence Sharia covers not only religious rituals, but many aspects of day-to-day life, politics, economics, banking, business or contract law, and social issues." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia You never going to answer me. You and I both know it. Just tell me. Do you support a nation having Sharia Law? After all, it is from the koran, striaght from the words of Allah. My mom told me once that "while we all don't speak the same language, everyone in the world undestands an asskicking"
-
Alvaro Mendez wrote:
How about we make him an offer he can't refuse, "Here's $50 million, now resign, leave the country and let X take over, or we will hunt you down, and kill you and your family."
Well I really wound'nt want to reward him with money for being a jerk. It might give other leaders a bad idea.
Alvaro Mendez wrote:
leave the country and let X take over,
If we did that then everyone would say it was just a puppet goverment of the US, right?
Alvaro Mendez wrote:
The invasion and continued occupation of Iraq has proven to be very risky and wasteful (in terms of lives, infrastructure, and costs).
I think this remains to be seen. Costly yes, but not wasteful. Time will only tell.
Alvaro Mendez wrote:
Perhaps a more practical approach would have been to invade, find and kill Saddam and his followers, install an interim government, and pull out.
Exactly what we did. But we are going to pull out when the job is complete, otherwise it surly would be a waste. Why bother.
Alvaro Mendez wrote:
We would have returned home victorious (as true liberators, not occupiers)
We are not occupiers. There is a plan to leave, it's just that we are not going to say publicly when that date is becase the terrorist would just sit back and wait for that date. My mom told me once that "while we all don't speak the same language, everyone in the world undestands an asskicking"
kgaddy wrote:
Well I really wound'nt want to reward him with money for being a jerk. It might give other leaders a bad idea.
Call it an incentive, not a reward.
kgaddy wrote:
If we did that then everyone would say it was just a puppet goverment of the US, right?
Yes, but would we rather have some bastard in power or a puppet? A puppet that promises new elections within a short time-frame is acceptable, IMO.
kgaddy wrote:
Exactly what we did. But we are going to pull out when the job is complete, otherwise it surly would be a waste. Why bother.
Nope, we didn't pull out. We're still there and for who knows how long -- what determines that the "job is complete"? If the job had been considered "complete" once we had eliminated the tyrant, it would have been a lot easier across the board. Then the Iraqis would have had to sort it out (with our help of course), and perhaps even a civil war would have erupted (as it may still happen). But the bottom line is that Saddam would be gone. And in the future a new leader would have to play nice with us... or risk Saddam's demise.
kgaddy wrote:
We are not occupiers. There is a plan to leave, it's just that we are not going to say publicly when that date is becase the terrorist would just sit back and wait for that date.
I know we keep saying that we're not occupiers (and I believe it). But that's not the impression we give. And the enemy uses that against us. If what you say is true about the terrorist waiting for us -- the only practical way to avoid that is to never leave. If we leave in a year or 10 years, the terrorist will always be waiting. You see, terrorism is not an animal you can just beat up repeatedly until it dies. It's a tactic. Alvaro
-
kgaddy wrote:
Well I really wound'nt want to reward him with money for being a jerk. It might give other leaders a bad idea.
Call it an incentive, not a reward.
kgaddy wrote:
If we did that then everyone would say it was just a puppet goverment of the US, right?
Yes, but would we rather have some bastard in power or a puppet? A puppet that promises new elections within a short time-frame is acceptable, IMO.
kgaddy wrote:
Exactly what we did. But we are going to pull out when the job is complete, otherwise it surly would be a waste. Why bother.
Nope, we didn't pull out. We're still there and for who knows how long -- what determines that the "job is complete"? If the job had been considered "complete" once we had eliminated the tyrant, it would have been a lot easier across the board. Then the Iraqis would have had to sort it out (with our help of course), and perhaps even a civil war would have erupted (as it may still happen). But the bottom line is that Saddam would be gone. And in the future a new leader would have to play nice with us... or risk Saddam's demise.
kgaddy wrote:
We are not occupiers. There is a plan to leave, it's just that we are not going to say publicly when that date is becase the terrorist would just sit back and wait for that date.
I know we keep saying that we're not occupiers (and I believe it). But that's not the impression we give. And the enemy uses that against us. If what you say is true about the terrorist waiting for us -- the only practical way to avoid that is to never leave. If we leave in a year or 10 years, the terrorist will always be waiting. You see, terrorism is not an animal you can just beat up repeatedly until it dies. It's a tactic. Alvaro
Alvaro Mendez wrote:
Call it an incentive, not a reward.
The outcome would be the same, others may want that "incentive".
Alvaro Mendez wrote:
Yes, but would we rather have some bastard in power or a puppet? A puppet that promises new elections within a short time-frame is acceptable, IMO.
I agree, but that is what we are doing, besides the puppet goverment part. I think we are on the same page to a point. You want to do the job but in a fast cheap way. I think this would be more costly in the long run and may end up worse for us.
Alvaro Mendez wrote:
Nope, we didn't pull out. We're still there and for who knows how long -- what determines that the "job is complete"?
Well Bush has stated when the Iraqis can handle things themselves. We were in Japan for 6 years after WWII. It takes time.
Alvaro Mendez wrote:
I know we keep saying that we're not occupiers (and I believe it). But that's not the impression we give. And the enemy uses that against us.
They will use anything they can. It it were not this they would find somthing else.
Alvaro Mendez wrote:
If what you say is true about the terrorist waiting for us -- the only practical way to avoid that is to never leave. If we leave in a year or 10 years, the terrorist will always be waiting. You see, terrorism is not an animal you can just beat up repeatedly until it dies. It's a tactic.
This is what I meant. The terrorist do not know when we are leaving. So they keep attacking, we eventually kill them all, or enough of them so the Iraqis can handle it themselves. If we told them we are leving in 6 months, they would quit the attacks, wait 6 months, then attack the new Iraqi goverment. My mom told me once that "while we all don't speak the same language, everyone in the world undestands an asskicking"
-
Alvaro Mendez wrote:
So bring in the experts and have them train the Iraqis in getting their nation going.
Again, That's what is happening now.
Alvaro Mendez wrote:
I don't see why we need a 100,000+ armed presense for an indefinite period of time.
That why you are a programmer, and we have other people, like generals who know a lot more about this stuff than you or I. What would your response be to a person who said to you "Why are you charging me so much? It's just a webpage." You would probaly try to explain that there is much more involved than just creating buch of pages for a website. Like creating databases, tables, sprocs. Creating your business layer, getting the site running on a box. ect. I other words, you or I are not trained to know how many troops are needed. Lets leave that to the guys getting the job done. My mom told me once that "while we all don't speak the same language, everyone in the world undestands an asskicking"
kgaddy wrote:
That why you are a programmer, and we have other people, like generals who know a lot more about this stuff than you or I.
:laugh: Yes, I'm a programmer, and in my years of experience I've run into lots of bad programmers -- even some who are in charge of mission critical software. I'd like to believe that we have the most intelligent and best trained leaders doing the job in Iraq, but the results prove otherwise. No doubt they're doing a "heckuva job". :-) Alvaro
-
kgaddy wrote:
That why you are a programmer, and we have other people, like generals who know a lot more about this stuff than you or I.
:laugh: Yes, I'm a programmer, and in my years of experience I've run into lots of bad programmers -- even some who are in charge of mission critical software. I'd like to believe that we have the most intelligent and best trained leaders doing the job in Iraq, but the results prove otherwise. No doubt they're doing a "heckuva job". :-) Alvaro
Alvaro Mendez wrote:
I'd like to believe that we have the most intelligent and best trained leaders doing the job in Iraq, but the results prove otherwise. No doubt they're doing a "heckuva job"
In the end you may be right. But it's wayyy to early to know. During WWII we had a hard time at first. There were a lot of mistakes made, but in the end we won. Do I think everything we have done was 100% right? no. But I never expected it. It's impossible. Lets talk in 10 years and see where this thing is. My mom told me once that "while we all don't speak the same language, everyone in the world undestands an asskicking"
-
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
Before i answer you
"Sharia (Arabic: شريعة; also Sharī'ah, Shari'a, Shariah or Syariah) is the Arabic word for Islamic law, also known as the Law of Allah. Islam classically draws no distinction between religious, and secular life. Hence Sharia covers not only religious rituals, but many aspects of day-to-day life, politics, economics, banking, business or contract law, and social issues." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia You never going to answer me. You and I both know it. Just tell me. Do you support a nation having Sharia Law? After all, it is from the koran, striaght from the words of Allah. My mom told me once that "while we all don't speak the same language, everyone in the world undestands an asskicking"
kgaddy wrote:
Islam classically draws no distinction between religious, and secular life. Hence Sharia covers not only religious rituals, but many aspects of day-to-day life, politics, economics, banking, business or contract law, and social issues."
nice,so does this explaination tells that whatever happened with girl was according to shariyah law? so my question remains "This is not truly a shariyah" go make some research then discuss with me or other muslims here
http://weblogs.com.pk/kadnan | kadnan.blogspot.com | AJAX based Contact Form for Blogger or any other website
-
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
yes and this is truly not sharia.
So are you going to try to paint sharia in a good light???? I would love to see this. My mom told me once that "while we all don't speak the same language, everyone in the world undestands an asskicking"
-
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
my son,when did i deny it?
I am in now way related to you. I think your having a hard time he so I will explain. All you said was hanging a girl from be raped was not sharia. Ok, fine. Now lets move on.... DO YOU SUPPORT SHARIA LAW? Is that slow enough? My mom told me once that "while we all don't speak the same language, everyone in the world undestands an asskicking"
That was not your original question/statement. You wrote "So are you going to try to paint sharia in a good light???? I would love to see this.", which is clearly a strawman. If you really were interested in knowing his opinions about sharia laws, you wouldn't imply that he supports hanging of raped teenage women, but ask him a direct question such as "Do you support sharia laws?".
kgaddy wrote:
Ok, fine. Now lets move on....
Took you a while to move on...
-- Pictures[^] from my Japan trip. -
kgaddy wrote:
I did. Tell me, are you for or against Sharia law?
OT,i wonder why people give vote to such response,i mean what you learnt from this reply that they voted him and gave 1 point,totally lame. this was OT and has nothing to do with orignal post,so thread closed from my side
http://weblogs.com.pk/kadnan | kadnan.blogspot.com | AJAX based Contact Form for Blogger or any other website
-
kgaddy wrote:
All you said was hanging a girl from be raped was not sharia.
Let me guess, your shocked...
Quran Lectures (updated 1/3/06) "They are MUSLIM. It does not matter how you split it up: all msulims (so they say) see every other muslim as a brother, regardless of origin or nationality." -legalAlien. Alhamdullah for the blessing of Islam
He's astounded that this moron can't answer a simple question, I would say. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
-
kgaddy wrote:
Islam classically draws no distinction between religious, and secular life. Hence Sharia covers not only religious rituals, but many aspects of day-to-day life, politics, economics, banking, business or contract law, and social issues."
nice,so does this explaination tells that whatever happened with girl was according to shariyah law? so my question remains "This is not truly a shariyah" go make some research then discuss with me or other muslims here
http://weblogs.com.pk/kadnan | kadnan.blogspot.com | AJAX based Contact Form for Blogger or any other website
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
so my question remains "This is not truly a shariyah"
That's not a question. Can't you see that ? Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
-
I did. Tell me, are you for or against Sharia law? My mom told me once that "while we all don't speak the same language, everyone in the world undestands an asskicking"
Why do you bother with this idiot ? I knew before I read the responses that he would not answer you. Next time he talk to you, he will tell you that he answered you and you refused to respond. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
-
So what you're saying is gun control doesn't work any better in Germany than it does in the US. Tell me - what good is a law going to do against people who don't generally obey the law to begin with. Oh wait, I know, you're just a little slow... ------- sig starts "I've heard some drivers saying, 'We're going too fast here...'. If you're not here to race, go the hell home - don't come here and grumble about going too fast. Why don't you tie a kerosene rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
200/11000 is NOT the same as 1/3, Oh, wait.... Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
-
kgaddy has a tendency to find the flimsiest of sites that report the weirdest of events, then extrapolates that to all things Islam. My initial reaction is to assume the report itself is false, until I can find supporting evidence.
Quran Lectures (updated 1/3/06) "They are MUSLIM. It does not matter how you split it up: all msulims (so they say) see every other muslim as a brother, regardless of origin or nationality." -legalAlien. Alhamdullah for the blessing of Islam
According to google, the incident is widely reported. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
-
brianwelsch wrote:
What do you think is going on right now?
Suicide bombers, almost on a daily basis.
brianwelsch wrote:
You can't just "install an interim government" without some attempt to making it stable. And you can't expect people with little practical experience in self-governing to just magically have a functioning government in a few months or whatever timeframe would suit you.
I agree, but that's what experts are for. We're supposed to be experts in democracy and nation building, aren't we? So bring in the experts and have them train the Iraqis in getting their nation going. I don't see why we need a 100,000+ armed presense for an indefinite period of time. It just seems to aggravate the situation. Regards, Alvaro
Alvaro Mendez wrote:
bring in the experts and have them train the Iraqis in getting their nation going.
That includes leaving troops there. A nation needs trained soldiers to protect itself. After the invasion, had we packed up and left, except for a few suits knowledgable in politics, what do you think would have happened? Do you really believe everyone would act like good little neighbors and help the Iraqis, or at best wait until they pulled themselves together? You need to train soldiers, have enough experience for the leaders to bubble up to the top, determine what rules you are going to enforce, etc... How quickly and easily do people think this should happen?? BW
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
-- Steven Wright -
kgaddy wrote:
Islam classically draws no distinction between religious, and secular life. Hence Sharia covers not only religious rituals, but many aspects of day-to-day life, politics, economics, banking, business or contract law, and social issues."
nice,so does this explaination tells that whatever happened with girl was according to shariyah law? so my question remains "This is not truly a shariyah" go make some research then discuss with me or other muslims here
http://weblogs.com.pk/kadnan | kadnan.blogspot.com | AJAX based Contact Form for Blogger or any other website
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
This is not truly a shariyah
Ok, one more time, this is not sharia, fine. Now lets move on.... Now, again. Do you...support....sharia....law? My mom told me once that "while we all don't speak the same language, everyone in the world undestands an asskicking"
