The Wonder of Shari'a
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Alvaro Mendez wrote:
So bring in the experts and have them train the Iraqis in getting their nation going.
Again, That's what is happening now.
Alvaro Mendez wrote:
I don't see why we need a 100,000+ armed presense for an indefinite period of time.
That why you are a programmer, and we have other people, like generals who know a lot more about this stuff than you or I. What would your response be to a person who said to you "Why are you charging me so much? It's just a webpage." You would probaly try to explain that there is much more involved than just creating buch of pages for a website. Like creating databases, tables, sprocs. Creating your business layer, getting the site running on a box. ect. I other words, you or I are not trained to know how many troops are needed. Lets leave that to the guys getting the job done. My mom told me once that "while we all don't speak the same language, everyone in the world undestands an asskicking"
kgaddy wrote:
That why you are a programmer, and we have other people, like generals who know a lot more about this stuff than you or I.
:laugh: Yes, I'm a programmer, and in my years of experience I've run into lots of bad programmers -- even some who are in charge of mission critical software. I'd like to believe that we have the most intelligent and best trained leaders doing the job in Iraq, but the results prove otherwise. No doubt they're doing a "heckuva job". :-) Alvaro
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kgaddy wrote:
That why you are a programmer, and we have other people, like generals who know a lot more about this stuff than you or I.
:laugh: Yes, I'm a programmer, and in my years of experience I've run into lots of bad programmers -- even some who are in charge of mission critical software. I'd like to believe that we have the most intelligent and best trained leaders doing the job in Iraq, but the results prove otherwise. No doubt they're doing a "heckuva job". :-) Alvaro
Alvaro Mendez wrote:
I'd like to believe that we have the most intelligent and best trained leaders doing the job in Iraq, but the results prove otherwise. No doubt they're doing a "heckuva job"
In the end you may be right. But it's wayyy to early to know. During WWII we had a hard time at first. There were a lot of mistakes made, but in the end we won. Do I think everything we have done was 100% right? no. But I never expected it. It's impossible. Lets talk in 10 years and see where this thing is. My mom told me once that "while we all don't speak the same language, everyone in the world undestands an asskicking"
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
Before i answer you
"Sharia (Arabic: شريعة; also Sharī'ah, Shari'a, Shariah or Syariah) is the Arabic word for Islamic law, also known as the Law of Allah. Islam classically draws no distinction between religious, and secular life. Hence Sharia covers not only religious rituals, but many aspects of day-to-day life, politics, economics, banking, business or contract law, and social issues." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia You never going to answer me. You and I both know it. Just tell me. Do you support a nation having Sharia Law? After all, it is from the koran, striaght from the words of Allah. My mom told me once that "while we all don't speak the same language, everyone in the world undestands an asskicking"
kgaddy wrote:
Islam classically draws no distinction between religious, and secular life. Hence Sharia covers not only religious rituals, but many aspects of day-to-day life, politics, economics, banking, business or contract law, and social issues."
nice,so does this explaination tells that whatever happened with girl was according to shariyah law? so my question remains "This is not truly a shariyah" go make some research then discuss with me or other muslims here
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
yes and this is truly not sharia.
So are you going to try to paint sharia in a good light???? I would love to see this. My mom told me once that "while we all don't speak the same language, everyone in the world undestands an asskicking"
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
my son,when did i deny it?
I am in now way related to you. I think your having a hard time he so I will explain. All you said was hanging a girl from be raped was not sharia. Ok, fine. Now lets move on.... DO YOU SUPPORT SHARIA LAW? Is that slow enough? My mom told me once that "while we all don't speak the same language, everyone in the world undestands an asskicking"
That was not your original question/statement. You wrote "So are you going to try to paint sharia in a good light???? I would love to see this.", which is clearly a strawman. If you really were interested in knowing his opinions about sharia laws, you wouldn't imply that he supports hanging of raped teenage women, but ask him a direct question such as "Do you support sharia laws?".
kgaddy wrote:
Ok, fine. Now lets move on....
Took you a while to move on...
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kgaddy wrote:
I did. Tell me, are you for or against Sharia law?
OT,i wonder why people give vote to such response,i mean what you learnt from this reply that they voted him and gave 1 point,totally lame. this was OT and has nothing to do with orignal post,so thread closed from my side
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kgaddy wrote:
All you said was hanging a girl from be raped was not sharia.
Let me guess, your shocked...
Quran Lectures (updated 1/3/06) "They are MUSLIM. It does not matter how you split it up: all msulims (so they say) see every other muslim as a brother, regardless of origin or nationality." -legalAlien. Alhamdullah for the blessing of Islam
He's astounded that this moron can't answer a simple question, I would say. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
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kgaddy wrote:
Islam classically draws no distinction between religious, and secular life. Hence Sharia covers not only religious rituals, but many aspects of day-to-day life, politics, economics, banking, business or contract law, and social issues."
nice,so does this explaination tells that whatever happened with girl was according to shariyah law? so my question remains "This is not truly a shariyah" go make some research then discuss with me or other muslims here
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
so my question remains "This is not truly a shariyah"
That's not a question. Can't you see that ? Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
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I did. Tell me, are you for or against Sharia law? My mom told me once that "while we all don't speak the same language, everyone in the world undestands an asskicking"
Why do you bother with this idiot ? I knew before I read the responses that he would not answer you. Next time he talk to you, he will tell you that he answered you and you refused to respond. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
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So what you're saying is gun control doesn't work any better in Germany than it does in the US. Tell me - what good is a law going to do against people who don't generally obey the law to begin with. Oh wait, I know, you're just a little slow... ------- sig starts "I've heard some drivers saying, 'We're going too fast here...'. If you're not here to race, go the hell home - don't come here and grumble about going too fast. Why don't you tie a kerosene rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
200/11000 is NOT the same as 1/3, Oh, wait.... Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
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kgaddy has a tendency to find the flimsiest of sites that report the weirdest of events, then extrapolates that to all things Islam. My initial reaction is to assume the report itself is false, until I can find supporting evidence.
Quran Lectures (updated 1/3/06) "They are MUSLIM. It does not matter how you split it up: all msulims (so they say) see every other muslim as a brother, regardless of origin or nationality." -legalAlien. Alhamdullah for the blessing of Islam
According to google, the incident is widely reported. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
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brianwelsch wrote:
What do you think is going on right now?
Suicide bombers, almost on a daily basis.
brianwelsch wrote:
You can't just "install an interim government" without some attempt to making it stable. And you can't expect people with little practical experience in self-governing to just magically have a functioning government in a few months or whatever timeframe would suit you.
I agree, but that's what experts are for. We're supposed to be experts in democracy and nation building, aren't we? So bring in the experts and have them train the Iraqis in getting their nation going. I don't see why we need a 100,000+ armed presense for an indefinite period of time. It just seems to aggravate the situation. Regards, Alvaro
Alvaro Mendez wrote:
bring in the experts and have them train the Iraqis in getting their nation going.
That includes leaving troops there. A nation needs trained soldiers to protect itself. After the invasion, had we packed up and left, except for a few suits knowledgable in politics, what do you think would have happened? Do you really believe everyone would act like good little neighbors and help the Iraqis, or at best wait until they pulled themselves together? You need to train soldiers, have enough experience for the leaders to bubble up to the top, determine what rules you are going to enforce, etc... How quickly and easily do people think this should happen?? BW
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
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kgaddy wrote:
Islam classically draws no distinction between religious, and secular life. Hence Sharia covers not only religious rituals, but many aspects of day-to-day life, politics, economics, banking, business or contract law, and social issues."
nice,so does this explaination tells that whatever happened with girl was according to shariyah law? so my question remains "This is not truly a shariyah" go make some research then discuss with me or other muslims here
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
This is not truly a shariyah
Ok, one more time, this is not sharia, fine. Now lets move on.... Now, again. Do you...support....sharia....law? My mom told me once that "while we all don't speak the same language, everyone in the world undestands an asskicking"
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That was not your original question/statement. You wrote "So are you going to try to paint sharia in a good light???? I would love to see this.", which is clearly a strawman. If you really were interested in knowing his opinions about sharia laws, you wouldn't imply that he supports hanging of raped teenage women, but ask him a direct question such as "Do you support sharia laws?".
kgaddy wrote:
Ok, fine. Now lets move on....
Took you a while to move on...
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but ask him a direct question such as "Do you support sharia laws?".
um...look at the previous 10 posts. Thats exactly what I asked him. My mom told me once that "while we all don't speak the same language, everyone in the world undestands an asskicking"
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Alvaro Mendez wrote:
bring in the experts and have them train the Iraqis in getting their nation going.
That includes leaving troops there. A nation needs trained soldiers to protect itself. After the invasion, had we packed up and left, except for a few suits knowledgable in politics, what do you think would have happened? Do you really believe everyone would act like good little neighbors and help the Iraqis, or at best wait until they pulled themselves together? You need to train soldiers, have enough experience for the leaders to bubble up to the top, determine what rules you are going to enforce, etc... How quickly and easily do people think this should happen?? BW
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
-- Steven Wrightbrianwelsch wrote:
That includes leaving troops there. A nation needs trained soldiers to protect itself.
Yes, and Iraq had trained soldiers before the invasion...
brianwelsch wrote:
After the invasion, had we packed up and left, except for a few suits knowledgable in politics, what do you think would have happened? Do you really believe everyone would act like good little neighbors and help the Iraqis, or at best wait until they pulled themselves together?
That's a good question, and unfortunately it's likely that chaos would have ensued. :sigh: However, before the war, Iraq was a relatively stable country. There was a chain of command and an infrastructure in place. If we had simply gone in and replaced the command at the top, things could have remained stable and the country would have began reforming towards freedom and democracy in a less violent fashion. I know; it sounds like a long shot, but I would have tried it. I guess I'm dreaming of those Hollywood movies where the Arnold dude goes in and kills all the evil mobsters and everyone lives happily ever after. At any rate, I believe our measure for victory should have been the capture and elimination of the tyrannical regime. Then we would have brought in the "suits" and headed home. Had things gone well or not afterwards it shouldn't have mattered to us. We would have tried to steer them in the right direction, but if things got out of control, then so be it. We didn't need to continue spending our resources and exposing our troops to unnecessary dangers -- dangers brought along most likely because of our continued presence there. But now it's too late. :sigh: If we leave with the way things are today, it will look like we didn't complete the mission -- in fact, that we failed. And if we stay, it's very likely that the suicide bombings and attacks on our troops will go on and the mission will continue to look like a failure. Alvaro
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
but ask him a direct question such as "Do you support sharia laws?".
um...look at the previous 10 posts. Thats exactly what I asked him. My mom told me once that "while we all don't speak the same language, everyone in the world undestands an asskicking"
kgaddy wrote:
um...look at the previous 10 posts. Thats exactly what I asked him.
So are you going to try to paint sharia in a good light???? I would love to see this. That's your original question. It is clear that you're not interested in his opinions about sharia laws. You've already made up your mind about that. What is clear though, is that you're seeking to attack him as a person, by making him look like some kind of monster for supporting sharia laws. I think he understood this, and refused to answer your question. I think it was also fairly clear that he did not try to paint sharia laws in good light. At least not your version of sharia laws. I practice martial arts, and I really enjoy that. Meanwhile, idiots beat other people up on the streets, using techniques from martial arts. Suppose this rape case was an assault case instead, in which the perpretrator had used martial arts techniques. If you had hinted that martial arts was the source of evil in the assault, because it allowed the perpetrator to severely injure the other guy, to which Anna had replied "That is truly sick", I would also have agreed that it is truly sick, and I would also have pointed out that this has nothing to do with martial arts (for reasons I will not go in to here, because it's beside the point). Had you replied to me, asking if I'm trying to paint martial arts in a good light, I would've reacted somewhat like Adnan, as any other person would have, when given such a disingenuous question.
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
so my question remains "This is not truly a shariyah"
That's not a question. Can't you see that ? Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
Lol, it's the classical mistake of actually responding to this guy. You can't communicate with someone uncapable of understanding what: 1. A proper argument is 2. Logic 3. English 4. Rationality I wish I could filter users on this forum.
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
so my question remains "This is not truly a shariyah"
That's not a question. Can't you see that ? Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
Christian Graus wrote:
That's not a question. Can't you see that ?
and that`s nt sharia which is trying to convince me keep your tail out of it when you have no idea
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Lol, it's the classical mistake of actually responding to this guy. You can't communicate with someone uncapable of understanding what: 1. A proper argument is 2. Logic 3. English 4. Rationality I wish I could filter users on this forum.
you have come out of hibernation ?
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
This is not truly a shariyah
Ok, one more time, this is not sharia, fine. Now lets move on.... Now, again. Do you...support....sharia....law? My mom told me once that "while we all don't speak the same language, everyone in the world undestands an asskicking"
kgaddy wrote:
Ok, one more time, this is not sharia, fine. Now lets move on.... Now, again. Do you...support....sharia....law?
now you are learning something,you have learnt after several replies of mine that you were doing a mistake to link up an incident which is shiarya which was not good at all, its similar link invastion of iraq/afghan wars with bible or crusaded and now you main Question, Yes I accept Shariyah law.Shariyah is nothing but following rules of Quran for different fields of like like law,politics ,science etc etc..
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-- modified at 7:10 Friday 13th January, 2006
