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2005 or not 2005, that is the question?

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    I've seen so many posts aboujt problems with VS2005, slow runtime etc. I'm wondering if it's worth just using VS2003. Comments please. Elaine (hestistant fluffy tigress) The tigress is here :-D

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    Elaine, Nearly every married man would advise a single guy not to get married, but at the same time they continue to remain married. When I was running around trying to buy a car here, because the cold was too unbearable for a "pedestrian/public-transit" way of life, nearly everyone here advised me not to get a car, and that I should wait till summer - but everyone who advised me had a car(or cars), and wouldn't go one day without it. It's the same with VS 2005. Almost all of us (self included) who've been cribbing here about how it's slow, how something is broken etc. will continue to use it. None of us (or very very few of us) would go back to 2003. So, do the right thing - install 2005, and after you do that, you can join the rest of us in bad-mouthing it here on the lounge :-) Regards, Nish

    My blog : Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET

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      I've seen so many posts aboujt problems with VS2005, slow runtime etc. I'm wondering if it's worth just using VS2003. Comments please. Elaine (hestistant fluffy tigress) The tigress is here :-D

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      Paul Watson
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      Doing .NET 2.0, C# with it and haven't had any problems. The integrated unit testing bits are lovely, as are the enhanced intellisense, auto-complete, code-snippets and auto using-references (genius!). I wouldn't want to go back to VS2003. regards, Paul Watson Ireland Colib and ilikecameras. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!

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      • L Lost User

        I've seen so many posts aboujt problems with VS2005, slow runtime etc. I'm wondering if it's worth just using VS2003. Comments please. Elaine (hestistant fluffy tigress) The tigress is here :-D

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        Bassam Abdul Baki
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        I've installed VS2005 Web Developer Express and SQL Server 2005 Express at home and have found nothing slow about them. I actually like the new express ones, especially that they're still free and the SQL IDE is kinda cool. My ¢2. "If only one person knows the truth, it is still the truth." - Mahatma Gandhi Web - Blog - RSS - Math

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          Elaine, Nearly every married man would advise a single guy not to get married, but at the same time they continue to remain married. When I was running around trying to buy a car here, because the cold was too unbearable for a "pedestrian/public-transit" way of life, nearly everyone here advised me not to get a car, and that I should wait till summer - but everyone who advised me had a car(or cars), and wouldn't go one day without it. It's the same with VS 2005. Almost all of us (self included) who've been cribbing here about how it's slow, how something is broken etc. will continue to use it. None of us (or very very few of us) would go back to 2003. So, do the right thing - install 2005, and after you do that, you can join the rest of us in bad-mouthing it here on the lounge :-) Regards, Nish

          My blog : Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET

          -- modified at 8:30 Friday 27th January, 2006

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          I have a lot to sort out in the new job so won't really be doing anything with it for a while but I wanted feedback for later and hope this thread is of use to others. Thanks Nish :rose: The tigress is here :-D

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          • P Paul Watson

            Doing .NET 2.0, C# with it and haven't had any problems. The integrated unit testing bits are lovely, as are the enhanced intellisense, auto-complete, code-snippets and auto using-references (genius!). I wouldn't want to go back to VS2003. regards, Paul Watson Ireland Colib and ilikecameras. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!

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            Paul Watson wrote:

            the enhanced intellisense, auto-complete, code-snippets

            Sounds like 2003 w/ Visual Assist to me. :suss: ~Nitron.


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              Paul Watson wrote:

              the enhanced intellisense, auto-complete, code-snippets

              Sounds like 2003 w/ Visual Assist to me. :suss: ~Nitron.


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              Anna Jayne Metcalfe
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              Don't forget the extra dose of random instability! :doh: Anna :rose: Currently working mostly on: Visual Lint :cool: Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.

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              • L Lost User

                I've seen so many posts aboujt problems with VS2005, slow runtime etc. I'm wondering if it's worth just using VS2003. Comments please. Elaine (hestistant fluffy tigress) The tigress is here :-D

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                Anna Jayne Metcalfe
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                We're unlikely to move to it for our mainstream C++ projects until SP1 is out, although I am consdering moving ResOrg to it in order to get some more detailed experience of the platforms performance with C++ projects. However, any ASP.NET, C# or XSLT work we do is likely to be under VS2005 for obvious reasons. Anna :rose: Currently working mostly on: Visual Lint :cool: Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.

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                • A Anna Jayne Metcalfe

                  Don't forget the extra dose of random instability! :doh: Anna :rose: Currently working mostly on: Visual Lint :cool: Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.

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                  VA or VS2005? regards, Paul Watson Ireland Colib and ilikecameras. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!

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                    Paul Watson wrote:

                    the enhanced intellisense, auto-complete, code-snippets

                    Sounds like 2003 w/ Visual Assist to me. :suss: ~Nitron.


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                    Which costs an extra $129 per developer (we get VS2005 in our MSDN sub.) I don't use VA, gave it a bash once but it didn't feel integrated enough. So now I get all the useful VA functionality as part of the IDE and firmly integrated. regards, Paul Watson Ireland Colib and ilikecameras. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!

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                      Which costs an extra $129 per developer (we get VS2005 in our MSDN sub.) I don't use VA, gave it a bash once but it didn't feel integrated enough. So now I get all the useful VA functionality as part of the IDE and firmly integrated. regards, Paul Watson Ireland Colib and ilikecameras. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!

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                      Nish Nishant
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                      Paul Watson wrote:

                      we get VS2005 in our MSDN sub

                      Do you have separate subs for you and Brian? or do you both use the DVDs from that one single sub? I found out a while ago that an MSDN sub is for a single developer - so if you both are using it, technically it'd fall under piracy. Most people don't know this I think. Many small companies in India use 1 sub with 5-6 devs. Regards, Nish

                      My blog : Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET

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                        Paul Watson wrote:

                        we get VS2005 in our MSDN sub

                        Do you have separate subs for you and Brian? or do you both use the DVDs from that one single sub? I found out a while ago that an MSDN sub is for a single developer - so if you both are using it, technically it'd fall under piracy. Most people don't know this I think. Many small companies in India use 1 sub with 5-6 devs. Regards, Nish

                        My blog : Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET

                        -- modified at 9:35 Friday 27th January, 2006

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                        We have the academic alliance sub. and we have dev. licenses for half of Ireland. regards, Paul Watson Ireland Colib and ilikecameras. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!

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                          Elaine, Nearly every married man would advise a single guy not to get married, but at the same time they continue to remain married. When I was running around trying to buy a car here, because the cold was too unbearable for a "pedestrian/public-transit" way of life, nearly everyone here advised me not to get a car, and that I should wait till summer - but everyone who advised me had a car(or cars), and wouldn't go one day without it. It's the same with VS 2005. Almost all of us (self included) who've been cribbing here about how it's slow, how something is broken etc. will continue to use it. None of us (or very very few of us) would go back to 2003. So, do the right thing - install 2005, and after you do that, you can join the rest of us in bad-mouthing it here on the lounge :-) Regards, Nish

                          My blog : Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET

                          -- modified at 8:30 Friday 27th January, 2006

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                          David Crow
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                          Nishant Sivakumar wrote:

                          ...nearly everyone here advised me not to get a car, and that I should wait till summer...

                          Which is odd advice at best. Winter, especially wet Mondays, is the best time to buy a car as the dealerships are more interested in negotiating with you than they would be in the spring or summer when the demand is higher.


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                            We have the academic alliance sub. and we have dev. licenses for half of Ireland. regards, Paul Watson Ireland Colib and ilikecameras. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!

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                            Nish Nishant
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                            Paul Watson wrote:

                            We have the academic alliance sub. and we have dev. licenses for half of Ireland.

                            Cool. I bet thay won't give that in India. Half of India is 0.5 Billion ;-) Regards, Nish

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                              Elaine, Nearly every married man would advise a single guy not to get married, but at the same time they continue to remain married. When I was running around trying to buy a car here, because the cold was too unbearable for a "pedestrian/public-transit" way of life, nearly everyone here advised me not to get a car, and that I should wait till summer - but everyone who advised me had a car(or cars), and wouldn't go one day without it. It's the same with VS 2005. Almost all of us (self included) who've been cribbing here about how it's slow, how something is broken etc. will continue to use it. None of us (or very very few of us) would go back to 2003. So, do the right thing - install 2005, and after you do that, you can join the rest of us in bad-mouthing it here on the lounge :-) Regards, Nish

                              My blog : Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET

                              -- modified at 8:30 Friday 27th January, 2006

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                              RichardGrimmer
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                              Nishant Sivakumar wrote:

                              None of us (or very very few of us) would go back to 2003.

                              tee hee - damn straight.....even firing up 2k3 gives me the willies lol....though it would be nice if the Visual Studio version selector actually gave the option of opening in 2K3 for a 2K3 project file, rather than just blasting it stright into 2K5 then moaning that it's a 2K3 project....or perhaps I'm missing the point - perhaps stupidly assumed that a "version selector" would allow me to "select" a "version" of VS to use..... On the plus side - don't think I could live without "Surround With" now - saved my bacon more than a few times :D "Now I guess I'll sit back and watch people misinterpret what I just said......" Christian Graus At The Soapbox -- modified at 10:09 Friday 27th January, 2006

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                              • L Lost User

                                I've seen so many posts aboujt problems with VS2005, slow runtime etc. I'm wondering if it's worth just using VS2003. Comments please. Elaine (hestistant fluffy tigress) The tigress is here :-D

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                                Nemanja Trifunovic
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                                For native C++ development? Pros: improved debugger (especially Call browser) and somewhat improved compiler (nothing dramatical, though) Cons: Slow and unstable IDE, stupid "security" warnings, and STL appears to be slower. However, if you do any XSLT, you should install VC2005 without any hesitations.


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                                  Paul Watson wrote:

                                  We have the academic alliance sub. and we have dev. licenses for half of Ireland.

                                  Cool. I bet thay won't give that in India. Half of India is 0.5 Billion ;-) Regards, Nish

                                  My blog : Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET

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                                  hehe indeed. Though I was just being facetious about half of Ireland. I just meant we have a load of licenses (and the funny bit is only two devs in the whole company use Microsoft dev products (Brian and I.) The rest are Java/C++/etc. heads.) regards, Paul Watson Ireland Colib and ilikecameras. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!

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                                    We're unlikely to move to it for our mainstream C++ projects until SP1 is out, although I am consdering moving ResOrg to it in order to get some more detailed experience of the platforms performance with C++ projects. However, any ASP.NET, C# or XSLT work we do is likely to be under VS2005 for obvious reasons. Anna :rose: Currently working mostly on: Visual Lint :cool: Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.

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                                    BTW, I found a nasty resource editor bug in VS2005 the other day - basically, trying to change the language of a resource to "English (USA)" adds a duff entry to the .rc file, so it won't compile! Waiting for SP1 is probably a good idea.

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                                    • F feline_dracoform

                                      is most of your work in .NET? having been using VS2005 for C++ for about 2 days (so i am just SO experienced with it ;) ) i am getting the feeling that most of the new features you are really going to care about are aimed at C# and presumably other .NET languages. oh yes, do you have at least 4 gig of ram in your machine? while VS2005 will load on a machine with 512 meg of ram, with our solution in it (86 projects) the machine is basically unusable every time the IDE goes off to think about something, and it just took literally 5 minutes to KILL the IDE so we could shut down the machine and put in more ram. speaking as a "well whats new?" programmer using C++ and the Qt library, so totally uninterested in the new Microsoft libraries the new features are not really having any positive impact on me. using Visual Assist helps of course, so i am not aware of the apparently much improved intellisense in the IDE - i am just not using it. zen is the art of being at one with the two'ness

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                                      4 gig of ram ??:wtf: seriouly speaking , i should sell my pc to get one here. :(


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                                        Elaine, Nearly every married man would advise a single guy not to get married, but at the same time they continue to remain married. When I was running around trying to buy a car here, because the cold was too unbearable for a "pedestrian/public-transit" way of life, nearly everyone here advised me not to get a car, and that I should wait till summer - but everyone who advised me had a car(or cars), and wouldn't go one day without it. It's the same with VS 2005. Almost all of us (self included) who've been cribbing here about how it's slow, how something is broken etc. will continue to use it. None of us (or very very few of us) would go back to 2003. So, do the right thing - install 2005, and after you do that, you can join the rest of us in bad-mouthing it here on the lounge :-) Regards, Nish

                                        My blog : Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET

                                        -- modified at 8:30 Friday 27th January, 2006

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                                        ahhh.. what an explanation!, quite philosophical!!:-O


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                                          Elaine, Nearly every married man would advise a single guy not to get married, but at the same time they continue to remain married. When I was running around trying to buy a car here, because the cold was too unbearable for a "pedestrian/public-transit" way of life, nearly everyone here advised me not to get a car, and that I should wait till summer - but everyone who advised me had a car(or cars), and wouldn't go one day without it. It's the same with VS 2005. Almost all of us (self included) who've been cribbing here about how it's slow, how something is broken etc. will continue to use it. None of us (or very very few of us) would go back to 2003. So, do the right thing - install 2005, and after you do that, you can join the rest of us in bad-mouthing it here on the lounge :-) Regards, Nish

                                          My blog : Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET

                                          -- modified at 8:30 Friday 27th January, 2006

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                                          What kind of car did you buy? Al

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