Why doesn't MS put their MS books online?
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Christian Graus wrote: but people like Charles Petzhold and Jeffrey Richter rely on their sales as a source of income. MS should pay them just like they pay the people who maintain MSDN Nish Bow wow wow, Yippee yo yippee yay, My miniputt high, Is now 30 yay.
Then the net result is less books, because the cost per book is greater, or less quality, because the author of a 'classic' like 'Programming Windows' gets paid about the same as the author of something awful. Capitalism works, and I'd prefer it to MSDN inclusion. I get electronic copies with most of my M$ books, but I prefer paper in my hand. Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm thinking of getting married for companionship and so I have someone to cook and clean." - Martin Marvinski, 6/3/2002
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Then the net result is less books, because the cost per book is greater, or less quality, because the author of a 'classic' like 'Programming Windows' gets paid about the same as the author of something awful. Capitalism works, and I'd prefer it to MSDN inclusion. I get electronic copies with most of my M$ books, but I prefer paper in my hand. Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm thinking of getting married for companionship and so I have someone to cook and clean." - Martin Marvinski, 6/3/2002
CG I don't think you'd understand. These MS press books cost 3000-5000 bucks in Indian currency :-( I wish we had pirated books like we have pirated CDs here... I know it's bad and ethically wrong. But the mother of a hungry crying baby is allowed the moral right to steal food for her baby ---> almost sounds like a translated chinese sayin eh? :-) Nish Bow wow wow, Yippee yo yippee yay, My miniputt high, Is now 30 yay.
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Nish, you're too intelligent to make such a statement. M$ make money per book, but so do the authors - M$ work like any other publishing house AFAIK. It may seem fair that M$ make no money on their books, but people like Charles Petzhold and Jeffrey Richter rely on their sales as a source of income. Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm thinking of getting married for companionship and so I have someone to cook and clean." - Martin Marvinski, 6/3/2002
I bet though MS have done a cost and profit analysis at some stage in regards to the return dev tools give to the corporate MS. eg The more 3rd party Win Apps the more boxes of the Win OS sold and more other MS services sold. I'd be really interested to know the results of such a study purely for the curiosity value. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin Logic merely enables one to be wrong with authority. -- Doctor Who 28 th Law of Computing: Anything that can go wr# Segmentation violation -- Core dumped
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CG I don't think you'd understand. These MS press books cost 3000-5000 bucks in Indian currency :-( I wish we had pirated books like we have pirated CDs here... I know it's bad and ethically wrong. But the mother of a hungry crying baby is allowed the moral right to steal food for her baby ---> almost sounds like a translated chinese sayin eh? :-) Nish Bow wow wow, Yippee yo yippee yay, My miniputt high, Is now 30 yay.
Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: But the mother of a hungry crying baby is allowed the moral right to steal food for her baby I don't find the analogy between a 3rd world dev and a starving child to be fair. Stealing food is basic hunter gathering. But is a hunter - gatherer civilized ? Do we need to give them human rights, if they live in inhumane conditions already ? Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin Logic merely enables one to be wrong with authority. -- Doctor Who 28 th Law of Computing: Anything that can go wr# Segmentation violation -- Core dumped
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CG I don't think you'd understand. These MS press books cost 3000-5000 bucks in Indian currency :-( I wish we had pirated books like we have pirated CDs here... I know it's bad and ethically wrong. But the mother of a hungry crying baby is allowed the moral right to steal food for her baby ---> almost sounds like a translated chinese sayin eh? :-) Nish Bow wow wow, Yippee yo yippee yay, My miniputt high, Is now 30 yay.
Nish, Prentice Hall(India) has tied up with M$ and we get books here for @ 500-800 bucks(Indian). Obviously not all books, but many imp ones. You get the Win32 bible (Petzold) for @ 750/- Rs.But orig M$ books cost a lot(Petzold orig: 2500/-). Secondly M$press bundles the resp. ebook with the book which is unlike Wrox. That's why I like M$press as I get to browse at my will w/o me feeling like am workin out. Atul Dharne
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CG I don't think you'd understand. These MS press books cost 3000-5000 bucks in Indian currency :-( I wish we had pirated books like we have pirated CDs here... I know it's bad and ethically wrong. But the mother of a hungry crying baby is allowed the moral right to steal food for her baby ---> almost sounds like a translated chinese sayin eh? :-) Nish Bow wow wow, Yippee yo yippee yay, My miniputt high, Is now 30 yay.
Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: I don't think you'd understand. These MS press books cost 3000-5000 bucks in Indian currency They cost $120-$150 here, I make $22 an hour before tax. A book costs me a days wages. Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm thinking of getting married for companionship and so I have someone to cook and clean." - Martin Marvinski, 6/3/2002
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Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: I don't think you'd understand. These MS press books cost 3000-5000 bucks in Indian currency They cost $120-$150 here, I make $22 an hour before tax. A book costs me a days wages. Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm thinking of getting married for companionship and so I have someone to cook and clean." - Martin Marvinski, 6/3/2002
Christian Graus wrote: They cost $120-$150 here, I make $22 an hour before tax. A book costs me a days wages. Why don't you guys move to the 1st world ? Can't you get visas etc ? Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin Logic merely enables one to be wrong with authority. -- Doctor Who 28 th Law of Computing: Anything that can go wr# Segmentation violation -- Core dumped
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Christian Graus wrote: They cost $120-$150 here, I make $22 an hour before tax. A book costs me a days wages. Why don't you guys move to the 1st world ? Can't you get visas etc ? Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin Logic merely enables one to be wrong with authority. -- Doctor Who 28 th Law of Computing: Anything that can go wr# Segmentation violation -- Core dumped
Dunno about Nish, but for me, the loss of wages is made up for in low crime and breathable air. Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm thinking of getting married for companionship and so I have someone to cook and clean." - Martin Marvinski, 6/3/2002
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Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: I don't think you'd understand. These MS press books cost 3000-5000 bucks in Indian currency They cost $120-$150 here, I make $22 an hour before tax. A book costs me a days wages. Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm thinking of getting married for companionship and so I have someone to cook and clean." - Martin Marvinski, 6/3/2002
Christian Graus wrote: A book costs me a days wages. :omg: Jon Sagara What about :bob:? Sonork ID: 100.9999 jonsagara
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Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: I don't think you'd understand. These MS press books cost 3000-5000 bucks in Indian currency They cost $120-$150 here, I make $22 an hour before tax. A book costs me a days wages. Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm thinking of getting married for companionship and so I have someone to cook and clean." - Martin Marvinski, 6/3/2002
Christian Graus wrote: A book costs me a days wages. Wow, that's cheap. A book costs me two weeks wages. That's costly. Nish Bow wow wow, Yippee yo yippee yay, My miniputt high, Is now 30 yay.
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Nish, Prentice Hall(India) has tied up with M$ and we get books here for @ 500-800 bucks(Indian). Obviously not all books, but many imp ones. You get the Win32 bible (Petzold) for @ 750/- Rs.But orig M$ books cost a lot(Petzold orig: 2500/-). Secondly M$press bundles the resp. ebook with the book which is unlike Wrox. That's why I like M$press as I get to browse at my will w/o me feeling like am workin out. Atul Dharne
Well 750 is still kinda costly for a book. But I guess we can afford one book per month, every month... This means we cant afford to buy just about every book thats released. We need to filter out and select the best... Nish Bow wow wow, Yippee yo yippee yay, My miniputt high, Is now 30 yay.
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Christian Graus wrote: A book costs me a days wages. :omg: Jon Sagara What about :bob:? Sonork ID: 100.9999 jonsagara
Jon Sagara wrote: :omg: What's to :omg: about that? :confused: Bow wow wow, Yippee yo yippee yay, My miniputt high, Is now 30 yay.
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Dunno about Nish, but for me, the loss of wages is made up for in low crime and breathable air. Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm thinking of getting married for companionship and so I have someone to cook and clean." - Martin Marvinski, 6/3/2002
Christian Graus wrote: the loss of wages is made up for in low crime and breathable air. That figures, I hear there is a ferry that takes migrants over the Bass Straits (Straights). Maybe you could sneak aboard oneday. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin Logic merely enables one to be wrong with authority. -- Doctor Who 28 th Law of Computing: Anything that can go wr# Segmentation violation -- Core dumped
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Christian Graus wrote: They cost $120-$150 here, I make $22 an hour before tax. A book costs me a days wages. Why don't you guys move to the 1st world ? Can't you get visas etc ? Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin Logic merely enables one to be wrong with authority. -- Doctor Who 28 th Law of Computing: Anything that can go wr# Segmentation violation -- Core dumped
Colin Davies wrote: Why don't you guys move to the 1st world ? Can't you get visas etc ? Nope :-( Gettin a Visa is really tough here... Nish Bow wow wow, Yippee yo yippee yay, My miniputt high, Is now 30 yay.
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Dunno about Nish, but for me, the loss of wages is made up for in low crime and breathable air. Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm thinking of getting married for companionship and so I have someone to cook and clean." - Martin Marvinski, 6/3/2002
Christian Graus wrote: Dunno about Nish Its a tragedy really. I mean if I could get employed in a decent company somewhere in the US, it would be great mutually. I get to work in a nice developed country with latest technology tools and hardware. They get a really good programmer [just being plain honest here...] But now, alas :-( What's funny is all it takes is for some company to get me a Visa... Nish Bow wow wow, Yippee yo yippee yay, My miniputt high, Is now 30 yay.
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Christian Graus wrote: the loss of wages is made up for in low crime and breathable air. That figures, I hear there is a ferry that takes migrants over the Bass Straits (Straights). Maybe you could sneak aboard oneday. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin Logic merely enables one to be wrong with authority. -- Doctor Who 28 th Law of Computing: Anything that can go wr# Segmentation violation -- Core dumped
I've been - two weeks back and the respitory problems are starting to ease. Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm thinking of getting married for companionship and so I have someone to cook and clean." - Martin Marvinski, 6/3/2002
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I've been - two weeks back and the respitory problems are starting to ease. Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm thinking of getting married for companionship and so I have someone to cook and clean." - Martin Marvinski, 6/3/2002
Christian Graus wrote: I've been - two weeks back and the respitory problems are starting to ease. The big smoke sucks eh. [ Joke intended ] I guess the other advantage where you live is the plentiful supply of meat aka road-kill. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin Logic merely enables one to be wrong with authority. -- Doctor Who 28 th Law of Computing: Anything that can go wr# Segmentation violation -- Core dumped
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Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: I don't think you'd understand. These MS press books cost 3000-5000 bucks in Indian currency They cost $120-$150 here, I make $22 an hour before tax. A book costs me a days wages. Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm thinking of getting married for companionship and so I have someone to cook and clean." - Martin Marvinski, 6/3/2002
WOW. Are computers 2-3x more expensive also?**
Todd Smith
CPUA 0x007 ... shaken not stirred
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WOW. Are computers 2-3x more expensive also?**
Todd Smith
CPUA 0x007 ... shaken not stirred
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Our dollar is worth 1/2 what the US$ is. That is where the price of books jumps - just go to Amazon, double it, and add $20 for shipping. As for a PC, this is a price from someone I know is cheap: Intel Celeron 1000Mhz CPU Retail Boxed. Flip Chip, integrated 256 Kbyte L2 cache. Tualatin. 100Mhz FSB ASUS TUSI-MAL Motherboard On board video, sound, and LAN 256Mb 168pin PC133 SDRAM A single stick of SDRAM 1.44M Panasonic FDD Model JU-257 20.4G Maxtor Athena 5400rpm HDD The Maxtor 541DX is the latest in the new family of Maxtor single-platter 5400 RPM hard drives designed for higher reliability. Integrated AGP Video Card The video card is built into the motherboard. See motherboard specifications for more information 17" Ultraview L7052LP Monitor 17 " (16" Diagonal) Midi-tower ATX Case with 250W PS 3x5.25"bay, 2x3.5"bay ATX. Appropriate for Celeron and Pentium 3 Systems Samsung PS2 Keyboard Microsoft Intellimouse PS2 OEM Supplied as a bare mouse, not boxed. With systems only 52x Samsung CDROM Drive Embedded EIDE / ATAPI Interface for easy installation, Full CAV Technology 22X - 52X, Data Transfer Rate 7,800 KB/sec Integrated Stereo Sound Card The sound card is built into the motherboard. Please see motherboard specifications for more information 180W Stereo Speakers Windows XP Professional OEM Next generation windows. Available with system orders only. Click herefor more information. MS Office XP Small Business Edition OEM Price: $1849 Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm thinking of getting married for companionship and so I have someone to cook and clean." - Martin Marvinski, 6/3/2002
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Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: I don't think you'd understand. These MS press books cost 3000-5000 bucks in Indian currency They cost $120-$150 here, I make $22 an hour before tax. A book costs me a days wages. Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm thinking of getting married for companionship and so I have someone to cook and clean." - Martin Marvinski, 6/3/2002
Christian Graus wrote: A book costs me a days wages Same here too. However, I try to make a case at times and get away with my company paying for them. I just ordered 9 .NET books with my company paying for all. Well, I am in a middle of a design of new products for my company and there is a need to support the .NET as early as possible and with the small programmers around, we need to use COM and .NET interop as much as possible to satisfy many platforms. Starving knowledge, I cried for books, justified them and got them ordered ;P even though I do not have the VS.NET :(( Best regards, Paul. Paul Selormey, Bsc (Elect Eng), MSc (Mobile Communication) is currently Windows open source developer in Japan.