Raging ragheads in London
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farmer giles wrote:
This is exactly the attitude that the extremists want to push you into.
That is an extrodinarily stupid argument. So reacting to extermism is extremism? The only way to deal with extremism is to what? Ignore it? Surrender to it? Reason with it? Pretend that there is a 'majority' that isn't extreme just to make yourself feel better? Dude, wake the fuck up, your civilization is under attack. Stand up and defend it and quit feeling that there is something you need to apologize for. And for God's sake stop being more critical of those who wish to defend it than those who wish to destroy it. The extremism exist because you are perceived as a culture that will give in to extremism. Stop doing that and the extremism will go away. "If anything, the West is awash in an epidemic of self-hate crimes." "a civilization that feels guilty for everything it is and does will lack the energy and conviction to defend itself"
Stan Shannon wrote:
And for God's sake stop being more critical of those who wish to defend it than those who wish to destroy it.
Amen to that! Jeremy Falcon
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Stan Shannon wrote:
that means you farmer giles
Oh, shoot me too I suppose. "And as for the rest, shoot the f***kers. " - This is the proposal that we are discussing and which I presume you support. Just out of interest does this mean all Muslims - is this how you propose to 'destroy their civilisation.' Are you gonna bark all, day little doggy. Or are you gonna bite. - Mr Blonde -- modified at 9:33 Monday 6th February, 2006
farmer giles wrote:
Oh, shoot me too I suppose
I would give re-education camps a try first.
farmer giles wrote:
This is the proposal that we are discussing and which I presume you support. Just out of interest does this mean all Muslims - is this how you propose to 'destroy their civilisation.'
I propose winning. What do you propose? "If anything, the West is awash in an epidemic of self-hate crimes." "a civilization that feels guilty for everything it is and does will lack the energy and conviction to defend itself"
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They have to be unveiled to have their photo taken whether they are arested now or later. And the men shot? No, I was just venting off. They need arresting too. In fact, these people should be hounded by the police because they are a threat to society. They ARE a major threat to society. 6 months ago these 'people' blew up busses and trains. I'm a pretty liberal guy, but when pushed to the brink there is only one course of action, and talkings over at that stage. Nunc est bibendum
Ah so now you're just saying arrest people who commit crimes, that's perfectly compatible with a liberal democracy so I wouldn't be able to disagree with that. Are you gonna bark all, day little doggy. Or are you gonna bite. - Mr Blonde
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farmer giles wrote:
And if it doesn't work, pick up a gun and smoke your local 'ragheads'.
I think the next move would be theirs to make.
farmer giles wrote:
I don't think you're going to be able to destroy their civilisation by wearing a tee shirt.
You never know until you try. Obviously, they feel threatened by a few cartoons in a paper. Who knows, put the same pictures on t-shirts worn by a hundred million infidels and maybe their little Islamic heads will explode (their head gear will be useful to soak up what few brains they might have) "If anything, the West is awash in an epidemic of self-hate crimes." "a civilization that feels guilty for everything it is and does will lack the energy and conviction to defend itself"
The problem is that you talk in apparently extreme terms (destroying civilisations, shooting all muslims) but when it comes down to it you're just a woolly liberal like me. Are you gonna bark all, day little doggy. Or are you gonna bite. - Mr Blonde
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fat_boy wrote:
And THEY need to police it.
Thats the point I've been argueing for 5 years. "If anything, the West is awash in an epidemic of self-hate crimes." "a civilization that feels guilty for everything it is and does will lack the energy and conviction to defend itself"
Totally, I have been arguing that the behaviour of the extremeists is NOT part of Islam, and, to convince the wets that they CAN police their own religion, these extremeists need to be expelled from the religion. Whether they will or not is up to them, but these cartoons lampoon the atitude that Islam is a terrorist religion as much as they lampoon terrorism, and mainstream Islam needs to see that. Nunc est bibendum
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farmer giles wrote:
"And as for the rest, shoot the f***kers. " - This is the proposal that we are discussing and which I presume you support. Just out of interest does this mean all Muslims - is this how you propose to 'destroy their civilisation.'
Out of curiosity, what would you propose? You have these goofy ass insane motherfuckers who think it appropriate and sanctioned by their religion of peace to: bomb, kill, decapitate to further their religion. They do this while denying others the right to even carry a bible in countries like Saudi Arabia. And they will willingly torch an embassy or set fire to entire city blocks simply because of a cartoon of their "prophet" with a bomb as a hat (or whatever the fuck that thing is called). Again, what do you propose. They immigrate to "your" culture, then demand you adopt theirs. Fuck'em. Your proposal?? Mike "We ain't stuck on stupid." badass Lt. General Russel Honore **"Remember - live bunnies are a great source of nourishment"**silly-assed cartoon A vegan is someone who never heard a carrot cry!
I propose standing up for our liberal tolerant society and upholding the rule of law. People need to be dealt with under the law. Are you gonna bark all, day little doggy. Or are you gonna bite. - Mr Blonde
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farmer giles wrote:
"And as for the rest, shoot the f***kers. " - This is the proposal that we are discussing and which I presume you support. Just out of interest does this mean all Muslims - is this how you propose to 'destroy their civilisation.'
Out of curiosity, what would you propose? You have these goofy ass insane motherfuckers who think it appropriate and sanctioned by their religion of peace to: bomb, kill, decapitate to further their religion. They do this while denying others the right to even carry a bible in countries like Saudi Arabia. And they will willingly torch an embassy or set fire to entire city blocks simply because of a cartoon of their "prophet" with a bomb as a hat (or whatever the fuck that thing is called). Again, what do you propose. They immigrate to "your" culture, then demand you adopt theirs. Fuck'em. Your proposal?? Mike "We ain't stuck on stupid." badass Lt. General Russel Honore **"Remember - live bunnies are a great source of nourishment"**silly-assed cartoon A vegan is someone who never heard a carrot cry!
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The problem is that you talk in apparently extreme terms (destroying civilisations, shooting all muslims) but when it comes down to it you're just a woolly liberal like me. Are you gonna bark all, day little doggy. Or are you gonna bite. - Mr Blonde
farmer giles wrote:
destroying civilisations, shooting all muslims
I don't believe I ever used those precise terms. As with slavery, I think we would be well served to at least follow Lincoln's adage to place it where we might expect it to become ultimately extinct.
farmer giles wrote:
you're just a woolly liberal like me.
I am a liberal - in the truest sense of the word. Just not suicidally so. I think we should push them on this issue, and push them hard. Peacefully as possible, but if they want violence, than let them have it with both barrels. "If anything, the West is awash in an epidemic of self-hate crimes." "a civilization that feels guilty for everything it is and does will lack the energy and conviction to defend itself"
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They have gone to far now. The police should have just wades in there, they did when the ex POWs protested the Japanese coming to London! Does an 80 year old POW who suffered for freedom have less rights than a muslem? The police are weak tossers, and the UK is institutionally biassed to wards minority groups. Its about time we got off the PC fence. And if it comes to photos, how are the Police to photot a woman who has a hibab (or what ever it is called) over her face? I propose the police walk up to her, rip the thing off, take a photo, and leg it. That ought to inflame the fuck out of the wanker rag heads in no time. And as for the rest, shoot the fuckkers. Any cunt walks around my fucking country waving fucking placards saying kill, behead etc can go fuck off where he/she came from. It is OUR country, OUR perogative to live by OUR rules, and that includes lampooning who ever the fuck we want to. Nunc est bibendum
I see the guy who dressed up as a suicide bomber has apologised: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4686410.stm[^] Which is better than nothing I guess - mind you, he is probably shitting himself that the police are gonna come and kick his door in...
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I see the guy who dressed up as a suicide bomber has apologised: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4686410.stm[^] Which is better than nothing I guess - mind you, he is probably shitting himself that the police are gonna come and kick his door in...
Strange: this morning he was utterly unapologetic and felt that he'd done nothing wrong. Wanker.
turning the other cheek just gets you slapped twice
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I see the guy who dressed up as a suicide bomber has apologised: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4686410.stm[^] Which is better than nothing I guess - mind you, he is probably shitting himself that the police are gonna come and kick his door in...
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Strange: this morning he was utterly unapologetic and felt that he'd done nothing wrong. Wanker.
turning the other cheek just gets you slapped twice
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I propose standing up for our liberal tolerant society and upholding the rule of law. People need to be dealt with under the law. Are you gonna bark all, day little doggy. Or are you gonna bite. - Mr Blonde
farmer giles wrote:
standing up for our liberal tolerant society
See sig...
farmer giles wrote:
People need to be dealt with under the law.
A defense of the law is all anyone is asking for. "You get that which you tolerate"
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I see the guy who dressed up as a suicide bomber has apologised: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4686410.stm[^] Which is better than nothing I guess - mind you, he is probably shitting himself that the police are gonna come and kick his door in...
"I do not condone these murderous acts, do not support terrorism or extremism and would like to apologise unreservedly and wholeheartedly to the families of the victims." If he really believes that, why did he dress up as a sucide bomber in the first place? By dress ing up as a terrorist, was he not condoning terrorism? I think he is full of BS. My mom told me once that "while we all don't speak the same language, everyone in the world undestands an asskicking" Kim0618 wrote: "the father of Bush's mother is also Bush's mother" -- modified at 11:33 Monday 6th February, 2006
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farmer giles wrote:
standing up for our liberal tolerant society
See sig...
farmer giles wrote:
People need to be dealt with under the law.
A defense of the law is all anyone is asking for. "You get that which you tolerate"
Stan Shannon wrote:
A defense of the law is all anyone is asking for.
That's rubbish the post calls for muslim women to be forcably disrobed and the men to be shot. The post itself is illegal. You don't defend the law by breaking it. "I propose the police walk up to her, rip the thing off, take a photo, and leg it. That ought to inflame the f*** out of the wanker rag heads in no time. And as for the rest, shoot the f***kers. " - this is not defending the law it's condoning it being broken. Are you gonna bark all, day little doggy. Or are you gonna bite. - Mr Blonde -- modified at 12:13 Monday 6th February, 2006
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Stan Shannon wrote:
A defense of the law is all anyone is asking for.
That's rubbish the post calls for muslim women to be forcably disrobed and the men to be shot. The post itself is illegal. You don't defend the law by breaking it. "I propose the police walk up to her, rip the thing off, take a photo, and leg it. That ought to inflame the f*** out of the wanker rag heads in no time. And as for the rest, shoot the f***kers. " - this is not defending the law it's condoning it being broken. Are you gonna bark all, day little doggy. Or are you gonna bite. - Mr Blonde -- modified at 12:13 Monday 6th February, 2006
The only offense I take at those comments is the "leg it" part. If these people are breaking the law the law should be enforced. They should be photographed - even the women, and if they refuse to disperse, they should be dealt with accordingly, including being shot if they become violent. That is defending the law. "You get that which you tolerate"
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farmer giles wrote:
This is racist crap
No it is not. I am not racist, ot culturalist, or religionist, or ist anything. I am p'ist off though seeing the streets of the capitol of one of the worlds finest coutries degraded by posters like these. We have very strict laws in the UK and incitement to vioence and murder is a very serious crime. And the state should crack down on this really hard. Shit, we wouldnt suffer this if it was a BNP march! These extremeists (and I have constantly argued on this forum not to mistake their beliefs for Islam) need controling. If their culture cant do it then, while they are in our culture, it is up to us to control them. And, if they threaten our culture from abroad, it is up to us then to control them then too. We arent talking about some existentialist issue here, we are talking about very disturbed people killing YOUR friends and family. Nunc est bibendum
fat_boy wrote:
we wouldnt suffer this if it was a BNP march!
Now the other week 2 BNP people were procecuted, they were aquited on half the charges, but the jury could not decide on the others, so there is to be a re trial. I think one of the things they were 'procecuted' for and the jury did not agree was the statement that they thought Islam was a violent religion, will be intersing to see what happens at the retrial.
"Normal is getting dressed in clothes that you buy for work and driving through traffic in a car that you are still paying for - in order to get to the job you need to pay for the clothes and the car, and the house you leave vacant all day so you can afford to live in it." - Ellen Goodman
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fat_boy wrote:
the filth
How wonderful it is that you can refer to the police in this obscene manner and not get your head kicked in for your trouble. Reminds me of a story a guy I work with was telling. He used to work in Iraq as a safety consultant. He was doing an inspection of some facility and spoted a car parked where it shouldn't. As it was obstructing something, I can't remember what, he said that the car should be moved. The guards that were accompanying him asked if they should beat up the driver for parking in the wrong place. What a difference in culture!
-Weasels are as curious as raccoons. They look under every bush and sneak into holes. - I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to say it. --Voltaire (1694-1778)
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fat_boy wrote:
the filth
How wonderful it is that you can refer to the police in this obscene manner and not get your head kicked in for your trouble. Reminds me of a story a guy I work with was telling. He used to work in Iraq as a safety consultant. He was doing an inspection of some facility and spoted a car parked where it shouldn't. As it was obstructing something, I can't remember what, he said that the car should be moved. The guards that were accompanying him asked if they should beat up the driver for parking in the wrong place. What a difference in culture!
-Weasels are as curious as raccoons. They look under every bush and sneak into holes. - I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to say it. --Voltaire (1694-1778)
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The only offense I take at those comments is the "leg it" part. If these people are breaking the law the law should be enforced. They should be photographed - even the women, and if they refuse to disperse, they should be dealt with accordingly, including being shot if they become violent. That is defending the law. "You get that which you tolerate"
Stan Shannon wrote:
including being shot if they become violent
Maybe in your country, in London which is where he's talking about the police just arrest people, take them down the police station and then charge them. I'd fully support those actions if people are breaking the law but not disrobing the women (and then running away!) and shooting the men. That's what he is calling for and calling for that is against the law in our country just as much as what some of the protestors are doing. As for other protestors who do so peacefully and merely express different views about the limits of free speech I fully support their right to do this and if you support free speech as you claim to do then so should you. Are you gonna bark all, day little doggy. Or are you gonna bite. - Mr Blonde