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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
It's one thing if a chick is asking for sexual attention, it's another if they aren't.
And how do you define "asking" for sexual attention? My Programming Library C#, C# Run
Toasty0 wrote:
And how do you define "asking" for sexual attention?
Not wearing a burka... :rolleyes:
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peterchen wrote:
Sorry, but I am quite sure he has less problem getting laid on demand than the typical non-slapper.
That doesn't make it ok. Jeremy Falcon
I didn't intent to say *that*
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
And if some random guy slapped your wife/girlfriend's ass on the street you'd be ok with that?
That's an interesting question. If one of my guy friends slapped me on the rump, would my girlfriend get upset? Why do we even have these social stigmas to how women (but not usually men) are touched? Marc Pensieve
Marc Clifton wrote:
That's an interesting question. If one of my guy friends slapped me on the rump, would my girlfriend get upset?
I would get upset whether or not my girlfriend did. :laugh: Football is the only place that's acceptable, everywhere else it is gay (that's a joke for those that didn't catch it). I used to not think much of it when I played football (happens all the time there), but I never thought about gayness until it was thrown at me (long story). Since more and more people are acting gay now I care. I don't want some guy getting his rocks off becaue of my backside. Granted this was it if happened to me, not my significant other.
Marc Clifton wrote:
Why do we even have these social stigmas to how women (but not usually men) are touched?
Ok, I have a "hunch". Women have always been seen as more vulnerable on a physical plane (people don't give me women's liberation crap; if you weren't psychically weaker then rapes wouldn't happen). I think it's like with kids, we take care of kids too. If somebody sees someone mistreating a kid they take action quicker than they would an adult. I think it's human nature to find balance, the weak are lifted up and the strong are tried to be brought down (so to speak). As such we take care of the weak (no this does not mean women are weak). BTW Marc, the comments in parentheses aren't meant for you. They are meant for the one-voters that would rather vote than think. :) Jeremy Falcon
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Marc Clifton wrote:
That's an interesting question. If one of my guy friends slapped me on the rump, would my girlfriend get upset?
I would get upset whether or not my girlfriend did. :laugh: Football is the only place that's acceptable, everywhere else it is gay (that's a joke for those that didn't catch it). I used to not think much of it when I played football (happens all the time there), but I never thought about gayness until it was thrown at me (long story). Since more and more people are acting gay now I care. I don't want some guy getting his rocks off becaue of my backside. Granted this was it if happened to me, not my significant other.
Marc Clifton wrote:
Why do we even have these social stigmas to how women (but not usually men) are touched?
Ok, I have a "hunch". Women have always been seen as more vulnerable on a physical plane (people don't give me women's liberation crap; if you weren't psychically weaker then rapes wouldn't happen). I think it's like with kids, we take care of kids too. If somebody sees someone mistreating a kid they take action quicker than they would an adult. I think it's human nature to find balance, the weak are lifted up and the strong are tried to be brought down (so to speak). As such we take care of the weak (no this does not mean women are weak). BTW Marc, the comments in parentheses aren't meant for you. They are meant for the one-voters that would rather vote than think. :) Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Women have always been seen as more vulnerable on a physical plane (people don't give me women's liberation crap; if you weren't psychically weaker then rapes wouldn't happen).
I was thinking that too. One thing that men have that women don't, that I think would make women vulnerable even if physically they had the same strength, is testosterone. :rolleyes: Marc Pensieve
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Women have always been seen as more vulnerable on a physical plane (people don't give me women's liberation crap; if you weren't psychically weaker then rapes wouldn't happen).
I was thinking that too. One thing that men have that women don't, that I think would make women vulnerable even if physically they had the same strength, is testosterone. :rolleyes: Marc Pensieve
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Yes, just as men have estrogen. It's just not the primary hormone, respectively. Marc Pensieve
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Marc Clifton wrote:
people need to loosen up.
And if some random guy slapped your wife/girlfriend's ass on the street you'd be ok with that? Jeremy Falcon
Of course I wouldn't be okay with that, but I wouldn't be pushing to lock the guy up for four years either. Given the extent of the "damage", I think that sentence is more than a bit extreme.
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Of course I wouldn't be okay with that, but I wouldn't be pushing to lock the guy up for four years either. Given the extent of the "damage", I think that sentence is more than a bit extreme.
Vincent Reynolds wrote:
Given the extent of the "damage", I think that sentence is more than a bit extreme.
Not I. It's about the bigger picture. Would you want your daughter to have to worry about that stuff if she wanted to walk around the neighborhood? A light sentence means more people will still do it. Jeremy Falcon
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Vincent Reynolds wrote:
Given the extent of the "damage", I think that sentence is more than a bit extreme.
Not I. It's about the bigger picture. Would you want your daughter to have to worry about that stuff if she wanted to walk around the neighborhood? A light sentence means more people will still do it. Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
A light sentence means more people will still do it.
Riiiight. You know this because the death penalty has put an end to murder, and mandatory sentencing put an end to drug abuse. Maybe they should cut off his hand. Out of curiosity, how would you feel if it was your son (or daughter) doing the slapping?
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
A light sentence means more people will still do it.
Riiiight. You know this because the death penalty has put an end to murder, and mandatory sentencing put an end to drug abuse. Maybe they should cut off his hand. Out of curiosity, how would you feel if it was your son (or daughter) doing the slapping?
Vincent Reynolds wrote:
Riiiight. You know this because the death penalty has put an end to murder, and mandatory sentencing put an end to drug abuse. Maybe they should cut off his hand.
What? Yeah and if people robbed stores and all they got was a warning it would surely not get worse. :rolleyes:
Vincent Reynolds wrote:
Out of curiosity, how would you feel if it was your son (or daughter) doing the slapping?
The same way. Jeremy Falcon
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Vincent Reynolds wrote:
Given the extent of the "damage", I think that sentence is more than a bit extreme.
Not I. It's about the bigger picture. Would you want your daughter to have to worry about that stuff if she wanted to walk around the neighborhood? A light sentence means more people will still do it. Jeremy Falcon
In this day and age, I'd agree that guys can't just go touching some girl's butt because they like the look of it. But do you *honestly* believe this guy deserves four years in jail, and a prison record ? I think he'll get his butt more than just smacked in there. And for what ? Is this chick so mental that this event will have a life long affect on her ? And, to cut off the comment you keep making at the pass - I have a daughter. She is 8, some guy touches her now, he dies. No police required. When she's 18, I would be saying the same thing. 4 years in jail is just ridiculous. How long would a chick get in jail for touching my butt ? Or are we still hypocrites ? Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ -- modified at 20:11 Sunday 26th February, 2006 [edit] I see he's been sentenced to house arrest. Still plain dumb, IMO, but not as bad. I also see their names have been published. Surely that puts her in more danger than she ever was by some dude going by on a bike ? -- modified at 20:12 Sunday 26th February, 2006
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In this day and age, I'd agree that guys can't just go touching some girl's butt because they like the look of it. But do you *honestly* believe this guy deserves four years in jail, and a prison record ? I think he'll get his butt more than just smacked in there. And for what ? Is this chick so mental that this event will have a life long affect on her ? And, to cut off the comment you keep making at the pass - I have a daughter. She is 8, some guy touches her now, he dies. No police required. When she's 18, I would be saying the same thing. 4 years in jail is just ridiculous. How long would a chick get in jail for touching my butt ? Or are we still hypocrites ? Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ -- modified at 20:11 Sunday 26th February, 2006 [edit] I see he's been sentenced to house arrest. Still plain dumb, IMO, but not as bad. I also see their names have been published. Surely that puts her in more danger than she ever was by some dude going by on a bike ? -- modified at 20:12 Sunday 26th February, 2006
Christian Graus wrote:
four years in jail
Read the article. It's house arrest.
Christian Graus wrote:
Is this chick so mental that this event will have a life long affect on her?
Things build up Christian. Also, you don't have to worry about the same stuff an atractive woman does.
Christian Graus wrote:
How long would a chick get in jail for touching my butt ? Or are we still hypocrites ?
Because you know good and damn well you'd enjoy it. Guys don't think like women, and I don't pretend to. Jeremy Falcon
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Christian Graus wrote:
four years in jail
Read the article. It's house arrest.
Christian Graus wrote:
Is this chick so mental that this event will have a life long affect on her?
Things build up Christian. Also, you don't have to worry about the same stuff an atractive woman does.
Christian Graus wrote:
How long would a chick get in jail for touching my butt ? Or are we still hypocrites ?
Because you know good and damn well you'd enjoy it. Guys don't think like women, and I don't pretend to. Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Read the article. It's house arrest.
I did get that, although belatedly.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Things build up Christian.
Bollocks. When I was a kid, I got teased a lot for being smart. Can I sue those people now ? Or did I have to get over it, and get on with my life ? Surely an act that denotes approval is less hurtful than one that denotes rejection ? Oh, I forgot. I'm a white male. I have no rights.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Also, you don't have to worry about the same stuff an atractive woman does.
That's true. I wonder if she also complains when she gets a job because of how she looks, or all the other positive things that would happen because of how she looks.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Because you know good and damn well you'd enjoy it.
Why would I ?
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Guys don't think like women, and I don't pretend to.
Women have organised themselves to an astonishing degree, and they basically set the agenda from what I can see. That's the only reason this sort of crap happens. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Read the article. It's house arrest.
I did get that, although belatedly.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Things build up Christian.
Bollocks. When I was a kid, I got teased a lot for being smart. Can I sue those people now ? Or did I have to get over it, and get on with my life ? Surely an act that denotes approval is less hurtful than one that denotes rejection ? Oh, I forgot. I'm a white male. I have no rights.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Also, you don't have to worry about the same stuff an atractive woman does.
That's true. I wonder if she also complains when she gets a job because of how she looks, or all the other positive things that would happen because of how she looks.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Because you know good and damn well you'd enjoy it.
Why would I ?
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Guys don't think like women, and I don't pretend to.
Women have organised themselves to an astonishing degree, and they basically set the agenda from what I can see. That's the only reason this sort of crap happens. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
Christian Graus wrote:
Bollocks. When I was a kid, I got teased a lot for being smart.
Getting teased and having to watch your back most of your life because someone may rape you aren't quite on the same playing fields.
Christian Graus wrote:
I wonder if she also complains when she gets a job because of how she looks, or all the other positive things that would happen because of how she looks.
What does that have to do with anything? Her getting a job doesn't mean it's ok to smack her ass. Maybe the attraction is still there but she WANTED the job. The chick in this story didn't want her ass smacked. Then again, maybe consent isn't important to you.
Christian Graus wrote:
Why would I ?
Because you're a male. Unless you're gay, no man would mind. Of course they may pretend to in front of their wife. But you get the idea.
Christian Graus wrote:
That's the only reason this sort of crap happens.
No, organized women is not the reason this guy smacked her ass. Jeremy Falcon
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Christian Graus wrote:
Bollocks. When I was a kid, I got teased a lot for being smart.
Getting teased and having to watch your back most of your life because someone may rape you aren't quite on the same playing fields.
Christian Graus wrote:
I wonder if she also complains when she gets a job because of how she looks, or all the other positive things that would happen because of how she looks.
What does that have to do with anything? Her getting a job doesn't mean it's ok to smack her ass. Maybe the attraction is still there but she WANTED the job. The chick in this story didn't want her ass smacked. Then again, maybe consent isn't important to you.
Christian Graus wrote:
Why would I ?
Because you're a male. Unless you're gay, no man would mind. Of course they may pretend to in front of their wife. But you get the idea.
Christian Graus wrote:
That's the only reason this sort of crap happens.
No, organized women is not the reason this guy smacked her ass. Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Getting teased and having to watch your back most of your life because someone may rape you aren't quite on the same playing fields.
What a pile of BS. Lots of things happen to me that could lead to me being mugged about as much as a guy riding past equals a rapist. That's just ridiculous.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
What does that have to do with anything?
You suggested that a good looking woman has different problems to me. She has different advantages as well. Can I sue her ?
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Then again, maybe consent isn't important to you.
Don't make a fool of yourself. Should guys have free access to her ass ? No. Should the guy be punished ? Perhaps. Does the punishment fit the crime ? Not remotely.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Unless you're gay, no man would mind.
That's a gross generalisation. What you mean is, because I am a guy, I am not *allowed* to mind, and if I did try to take legal action, I'd be laughed to scorn.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
No, organized women is not the reason this guy smacked her ass.
It's the reason he's under house arrest. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Getting teased and having to watch your back most of your life because someone may rape you aren't quite on the same playing fields.
What a pile of BS. Lots of things happen to me that could lead to me being mugged about as much as a guy riding past equals a rapist. That's just ridiculous.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
What does that have to do with anything?
You suggested that a good looking woman has different problems to me. She has different advantages as well. Can I sue her ?
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Then again, maybe consent isn't important to you.
Don't make a fool of yourself. Should guys have free access to her ass ? No. Should the guy be punished ? Perhaps. Does the punishment fit the crime ? Not remotely.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Unless you're gay, no man would mind.
That's a gross generalisation. What you mean is, because I am a guy, I am not *allowed* to mind, and if I did try to take legal action, I'd be laughed to scorn.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
No, organized women is not the reason this guy smacked her ass.
It's the reason he's under house arrest. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
Christian Graus wrote:
What a pile of BS. Lots of things happen to me that could lead to me being mugged about as much as a guy riding past equals a rapist. That's just ridiculous.
Except you don't have to worry about it nearly as much.
Christian Graus wrote:
You suggested that a good looking woman has different problems to me. She has different advantages as well. Can I sue her ?
Dude are you jealous or something? This has nothing to do with your point of the punishment doesn't fit the crime.
Christian Graus wrote:
Don't make a fool of yourself. Should guys have free access to her ass ? No. Should the guy be punished ? Perhaps. Does the punishment fit the crime ? Not remotely.
Yes it does. And me thinking so does not make me a fool. The fact of the matter is crap like this happens a lot - many times more than people getting mugged. Giving someone a warning won't put an end to it.
Christian Graus wrote:
That's a gross generalisation. What you mean is, because I am a guy, I am not *allowed* to mind, and if I did try to take legal action, I'd be laughed to scorn.
No, you're allowed to mind, but if you do then you have psychological issues and/or you're gay. Which is odd because you just said if a women cared a lot about being smacked in the ass she's psychotic and here you are talking about legal action. It sounds you hate good looking women dude.
Christian Graus wrote:
It's the reason he's under house arrest.
So, what's the problem with women organizing? Jeremy Falcon
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Christian Graus wrote:
What a pile of BS. Lots of things happen to me that could lead to me being mugged about as much as a guy riding past equals a rapist. That's just ridiculous.
Except you don't have to worry about it nearly as much.
Christian Graus wrote:
You suggested that a good looking woman has different problems to me. She has different advantages as well. Can I sue her ?
Dude are you jealous or something? This has nothing to do with your point of the punishment doesn't fit the crime.
Christian Graus wrote:
Don't make a fool of yourself. Should guys have free access to her ass ? No. Should the guy be punished ? Perhaps. Does the punishment fit the crime ? Not remotely.
Yes it does. And me thinking so does not make me a fool. The fact of the matter is crap like this happens a lot - many times more than people getting mugged. Giving someone a warning won't put an end to it.
Christian Graus wrote:
That's a gross generalisation. What you mean is, because I am a guy, I am not *allowed* to mind, and if I did try to take legal action, I'd be laughed to scorn.
No, you're allowed to mind, but if you do then you have psychological issues and/or you're gay. Which is odd because you just said if a women cared a lot about being smacked in the ass she's psychotic and here you are talking about legal action. It sounds you hate good looking women dude.
Christian Graus wrote:
It's the reason he's under house arrest.
So, what's the problem with women organizing? Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Except you don't have to worry about it nearly as much.
Why not ?
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
This has nothing to do with your point of the punishment doesn't fit the crime.
Your point was that as a good looking woman, she has different problems to me. She has different advantages as well. I'm just saying that everyone needs to take the good with the bad.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Yes it does.
Then you're insane.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
The fact of the matter is crap like this happens a lot - many times more than people getting mugged.
If you were a girl, would you equate a slap on the ass with being mugged ? Seriously ?
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Giving someone a warning won't put an end to it.
Now I see why they have the death penalty in the USA. Because there are only two options - do nothing, or do something extreme. 4 YEARS of house arrest is not a fair punishment for a crime which did the victim no harm and was not done in malice. No matter what the crime is.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
No, you're allowed to mind, but if you do then you have psychological issues and/or you're gay.
OK, I see. So long as we're clear on your license to make gross generalisations, and willingness to live in a world where men are discriminated against.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Which is odd because you just said if a women cared a lot about being smacked in the ass she's psychotic and here you are talking about legal action.
So, a chick can charge a guy, but if a guy does the same, he's 'psychotic' or 'gay' ? Does this mean if a woman rapes me, I have no legal recourse ? I mean, rape is the reason you think this guy should be locked up for four years, right ?
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
It sounds you hate good looking women dude.
Hell, no. Any hot chicks reading this are welcome to form an orderly queue. I hate hypocrisy.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
So, what's the problem with women organizing?
Nothing. If they are smart enough to use the system to control us, then good for them.
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Except you don't have to worry about it nearly as much.
Why not ?
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
This has nothing to do with your point of the punishment doesn't fit the crime.
Your point was that as a good looking woman, she has different problems to me. She has different advantages as well. I'm just saying that everyone needs to take the good with the bad.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Yes it does.
Then you're insane.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
The fact of the matter is crap like this happens a lot - many times more than people getting mugged.
If you were a girl, would you equate a slap on the ass with being mugged ? Seriously ?
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Giving someone a warning won't put an end to it.
Now I see why they have the death penalty in the USA. Because there are only two options - do nothing, or do something extreme. 4 YEARS of house arrest is not a fair punishment for a crime which did the victim no harm and was not done in malice. No matter what the crime is.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
No, you're allowed to mind, but if you do then you have psychological issues and/or you're gay.
OK, I see. So long as we're clear on your license to make gross generalisations, and willingness to live in a world where men are discriminated against.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Which is odd because you just said if a women cared a lot about being smacked in the ass she's psychotic and here you are talking about legal action.
So, a chick can charge a guy, but if a guy does the same, he's 'psychotic' or 'gay' ? Does this mean if a woman rapes me, I have no legal recourse ? I mean, rape is the reason you think this guy should be locked up for four years, right ?
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
It sounds you hate good looking women dude.
Hell, no. Any hot chicks reading this are welcome to form an orderly queue. I hate hypocrisy.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
So, what's the problem with women organizing?
Nothing. If they are smart enough to use the system to control us, then good for them.
Christian Graus wrote:
Why not ?
Because it doesn't happen as often. Duh Christian.
Christian Graus wrote:
I'm just saying that everyone needs to take the good with the bad.
But it still has nothing to do with the point!
Christian Graus wrote:
Now I see why they have the death penalty in the USA. Because there are only two options - do nothing, or do something extreme.
Christian I thought you were smarter than this. :|
Christian Graus wrote:
So, a chick can charge a guy, but if a guy does the same, he's 'psychotic' or 'gay' ?
I used your own logic against you. You said a woman was psycho for caring. What does that make you for wanting to sue so damn bad?
Christian Graus wrote:
Does this mean if a woman rapes me, I have no legal recourse ?
I'm sure you do, but you have an advantage. It's called push her away! Also since you obviously do not understand how women think, that seldom happens. Women do not have sex for the same reasons as men. Get a clue already.
Christian Graus wrote:
Nothing. If they are smart enough to use the system to control us, then good for them. What's wrong is when men say 'oh, he had it coming, he must be a rapist'.
I never said that nor did anyone. He obviously didn't respect her boundries. Jeremy Falcon
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Christian Graus wrote:
Why not ?
Because it doesn't happen as often. Duh Christian.
Christian Graus wrote:
I'm just saying that everyone needs to take the good with the bad.
But it still has nothing to do with the point!
Christian Graus wrote:
Now I see why they have the death penalty in the USA. Because there are only two options - do nothing, or do something extreme.
Christian I thought you were smarter than this. :|
Christian Graus wrote:
So, a chick can charge a guy, but if a guy does the same, he's 'psychotic' or 'gay' ?
I used your own logic against you. You said a woman was psycho for caring. What does that make you for wanting to sue so damn bad?
Christian Graus wrote:
Does this mean if a woman rapes me, I have no legal recourse ?
I'm sure you do, but you have an advantage. It's called push her away! Also since you obviously do not understand how women think, that seldom happens. Women do not have sex for the same reasons as men. Get a clue already.
Christian Graus wrote:
Nothing. If they are smart enough to use the system to control us, then good for them. What's wrong is when men say 'oh, he had it coming, he must be a rapist'.
I never said that nor did anyone. He obviously didn't respect her boundries. Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Because it doesn't happen as often. Duh Christian.
Women get raped more often than people get mugged ? I'm surprised, but then, I don't keep track
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Christian I thought you were smarter than this.
You were the one who implied that the only options were four years house arrest and a warning.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
What does that make you for wanting to sue so damn bad?
I don't want to sue anyone. I was just making a point. You obviously missed it.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
I'm sure you do
So, a woman can sue a guy for touching her ass, as it may lead to rape, but I can't do the same in reverse, I need to wait for rape ? I admit, my options are more logical, but it's hardly fair.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
It's called push her away
How about the 'kick him in the balls' option ? What equivelant to that do I have ? And I didn't see the story suggesting that she was jogging in the dark, in an abandoned alleyway - what are the odds that he could have raped her if he wanted to ?
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Also since you obviously do not understand how women think, that seldom happens.
I do know how women think, but that's not the point. I realise I'm unlikely to be raped, the point is, if a woman can have a guy charged for touching her backside, on the basis that she may get raped, then a man should be able to do the same thing.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
I never said that nor did anyone.
Re-read what you've typed. You've come as close to saying that as you possibly could without typing it.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
He obviously didn't respect her boundries.
OK - can people whose boundaries I do not respect have me put under house arrest for four years ? On what basis is that OK ? ( let me guess, it's OK if they are an attractive female ) Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
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Oh, please. People need to loosen up. If this had happened in a bar where everyone was drunk, nobody would give a damn, right? Hmmm. That'll get me into a "but people choose to go to bars" argument, which wasn't my intention. My intention was simply to say, people need to loosen up. Marc Pensieve -- modified at 8:48 Sunday 26th February, 2006
I agree 100%. Jeremy has done his best to equate a slap with intended rape, but I just don't see it. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++