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Christian Graus wrote:
Why not ?
Because it doesn't happen as often. Duh Christian.
Christian Graus wrote:
I'm just saying that everyone needs to take the good with the bad.
But it still has nothing to do with the point!
Christian Graus wrote:
Now I see why they have the death penalty in the USA. Because there are only two options - do nothing, or do something extreme.
Christian I thought you were smarter than this. :|
Christian Graus wrote:
So, a chick can charge a guy, but if a guy does the same, he's 'psychotic' or 'gay' ?
I used your own logic against you. You said a woman was psycho for caring. What does that make you for wanting to sue so damn bad?
Christian Graus wrote:
Does this mean if a woman rapes me, I have no legal recourse ?
I'm sure you do, but you have an advantage. It's called push her away! Also since you obviously do not understand how women think, that seldom happens. Women do not have sex for the same reasons as men. Get a clue already.
Christian Graus wrote:
Nothing. If they are smart enough to use the system to control us, then good for them. What's wrong is when men say 'oh, he had it coming, he must be a rapist'.
I never said that nor did anyone. He obviously didn't respect her boundries. Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Because it doesn't happen as often. Duh Christian.
Women get raped more often than people get mugged ? I'm surprised, but then, I don't keep track
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Christian I thought you were smarter than this.
You were the one who implied that the only options were four years house arrest and a warning.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
What does that make you for wanting to sue so damn bad?
I don't want to sue anyone. I was just making a point. You obviously missed it.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
I'm sure you do
So, a woman can sue a guy for touching her ass, as it may lead to rape, but I can't do the same in reverse, I need to wait for rape ? I admit, my options are more logical, but it's hardly fair.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
It's called push her away
How about the 'kick him in the balls' option ? What equivelant to that do I have ? And I didn't see the story suggesting that she was jogging in the dark, in an abandoned alleyway - what are the odds that he could have raped her if he wanted to ?
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Also since you obviously do not understand how women think, that seldom happens.
I do know how women think, but that's not the point. I realise I'm unlikely to be raped, the point is, if a woman can have a guy charged for touching her backside, on the basis that she may get raped, then a man should be able to do the same thing.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
I never said that nor did anyone.
Re-read what you've typed. You've come as close to saying that as you possibly could without typing it.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
He obviously didn't respect her boundries.
OK - can people whose boundaries I do not respect have me put under house arrest for four years ? On what basis is that OK ? ( let me guess, it's OK if they are an attractive female ) Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
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Oh, please. People need to loosen up. If this had happened in a bar where everyone was drunk, nobody would give a damn, right? Hmmm. That'll get me into a "but people choose to go to bars" argument, which wasn't my intention. My intention was simply to say, people need to loosen up. Marc Pensieve -- modified at 8:48 Sunday 26th February, 2006
I agree 100%. Jeremy has done his best to equate a slap with intended rape, but I just don't see it. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Because it doesn't happen as often. Duh Christian.
Women get raped more often than people get mugged ? I'm surprised, but then, I don't keep track
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Christian I thought you were smarter than this.
You were the one who implied that the only options were four years house arrest and a warning.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
What does that make you for wanting to sue so damn bad?
I don't want to sue anyone. I was just making a point. You obviously missed it.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
I'm sure you do
So, a woman can sue a guy for touching her ass, as it may lead to rape, but I can't do the same in reverse, I need to wait for rape ? I admit, my options are more logical, but it's hardly fair.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
It's called push her away
How about the 'kick him in the balls' option ? What equivelant to that do I have ? And I didn't see the story suggesting that she was jogging in the dark, in an abandoned alleyway - what are the odds that he could have raped her if he wanted to ?
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Also since you obviously do not understand how women think, that seldom happens.
I do know how women think, but that's not the point. I realise I'm unlikely to be raped, the point is, if a woman can have a guy charged for touching her backside, on the basis that she may get raped, then a man should be able to do the same thing.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
I never said that nor did anyone.
Re-read what you've typed. You've come as close to saying that as you possibly could without typing it.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
He obviously didn't respect her boundries.
OK - can people whose boundaries I do not respect have me put under house arrest for four years ? On what basis is that OK ? ( let me guess, it's OK if they are an attractive female ) Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
Christian Graus wrote:
You were the one who implied that the only options were four years house arrest and a warning.
I implied nothing of the sort. You assumed. I said he deserved it the pusnishment. Anything else you get out of that is in your own head.
Christian Graus wrote:
I was just making a point. You obviously missed it.
Wrong again. I used your point for my point. I didn't think you were about to hop of the house to go sue somebody. The fact of the matter is you can understand your point, but refuse to understand that someone can care without being psycho. Hence my point.
Christian Graus wrote:
How about the 'kick him in the balls' option ? What equivelant to that do I have ?
I just told you, push her away. You can overpower her.
Christian Graus wrote:
I do know how women think
Oh, well just because you denied it must be true. :rolleyes:
Christian Graus wrote:
I realise I'm unlikely to be raped, the point is, if a woman can have a guy charged for touching her backside, on the basis that she may get raped
Who said it was on the basis she may get raped?
Christian Graus wrote:
then a man should be able to do the same thing.
Nobody said a man shouldn't. Although, realistically speaking most men do not care. If they do they probably have another agenda or are gay and/or have psychological issues.
Christian Graus wrote:
You've come as close to saying that as you possibly could without typing it.
Correction, you assume everything.
Christian Graus wrote:
OK - can people whose boundaries I do not respect have me put under house arrest for four years ? On what basis is that OK ?
On this basis for one.
Christian Graus wrote:
if they are an attractive female
Looks don't matter, but attractive women tend to be victimized moreso. Jeremy Falcon
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I agree 100%. Jeremy has done his best to equate a slap with intended rape, but I just don't see it. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
Christian Graus wrote:
Jeremy has done his best to equate a slap with intended rape, but I just don't see it.
That was quite the thread! :-D Marc Pensieve
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Christian Graus wrote:
Jeremy has done his best to equate a slap with intended rape, but I just don't see it.
That was quite the thread! :-D Marc Pensieve
Yeah, looks like I just got another reply. I think it's time to drop it, we're obviously not going to see eye to eye. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
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I agree 100%. Jeremy has done his best to equate a slap with intended rape, but I just don't see it. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
Christian Graus wrote:
Jeremy has done his best to equate a slap with intended rape, but I just don't see it.
Perhaps you'll never have a clue what it's like to watch your back all your days. Really you should talk to more women. Jeremy Falcon
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Christian Graus wrote:
Jeremy has done his best to equate a slap with intended rape, but I just don't see it.
That was quite the thread! :-D Marc Pensieve
Marc Clifton wrote:
That was quite the thread!
Did you bring the popcorn? :) Jeremy Falcon
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Christian Graus wrote:
You were the one who implied that the only options were four years house arrest and a warning.
I implied nothing of the sort. You assumed. I said he deserved it the pusnishment. Anything else you get out of that is in your own head.
Christian Graus wrote:
I was just making a point. You obviously missed it.
Wrong again. I used your point for my point. I didn't think you were about to hop of the house to go sue somebody. The fact of the matter is you can understand your point, but refuse to understand that someone can care without being psycho. Hence my point.
Christian Graus wrote:
How about the 'kick him in the balls' option ? What equivelant to that do I have ?
I just told you, push her away. You can overpower her.
Christian Graus wrote:
I do know how women think
Oh, well just because you denied it must be true. :rolleyes:
Christian Graus wrote:
I realise I'm unlikely to be raped, the point is, if a woman can have a guy charged for touching her backside, on the basis that she may get raped
Who said it was on the basis she may get raped?
Christian Graus wrote:
then a man should be able to do the same thing.
Nobody said a man shouldn't. Although, realistically speaking most men do not care. If they do they probably have another agenda or are gay and/or have psychological issues.
Christian Graus wrote:
You've come as close to saying that as you possibly could without typing it.
Correction, you assume everything.
Christian Graus wrote:
OK - can people whose boundaries I do not respect have me put under house arrest for four years ? On what basis is that OK ?
On this basis for one.
Christian Graus wrote:
if they are an attractive female
Looks don't matter, but attractive women tend to be victimized moreso. Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
I said he deserved it the pusnishment. Anything else you get out of that is in your own head.
You said he deserved the punishment, and THEN said that if he was just given a warning, he would do it again. You apparently saw no other options.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
You can overpower her.
Perhaps.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Who said it was on the basis she may get raped?
I sure as hell didn't bring the rape thing into the equation.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
If they do they probably have another agenda or are gay and/or have psychological issues.
But a chick who would press charges in this instance doesn't ?
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Correction, you assume everything.
Fine. Look, if your sister got raped or something, I am really, genuinely sorry. If not, then I cannot imagine what's causing you to have this totally illogical, self defeating argument that a guy can get 4 years detention over something so trivial. And I see no reason to discuss it further.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Looks don't matter, but attractive women tend to be victimized moreso.
Bollocks. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
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Yeah, looks like I just got another reply. I think it's time to drop it, we're obviously not going to see eye to eye. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
Christian Graus wrote:
we're obviously not going to see eye to eye.
or butt to hand. What I wonder is, in the article, one of the models says "I was walking very relaxed and a guy rode by on his bicycle and, 'ta!' He smacked me..." Now, this got me thinking. What does "very relaxed" mean? Is it a euphamism for hip swinging, provacative walking? And why would the model bring this up? Was she insinuating that the woman possibly provoked the slap by walking in a "slap me" suggestive manner? Marc Pensieve
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Christian Graus wrote:
Jeremy has done his best to equate a slap with intended rape, but I just don't see it.
Perhaps you'll never have a clue what it's like to watch your back all your days. Really you should talk to more women. Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Perhaps you'll never have a clue what it's like to watch your back all your days
Sounds like my teenage years. Seriously.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Really you should talk to more women.
Perhaps it's a cultural thing. Perhaps women are just treated differently in the US, although it didn't seem that way when I was over there. I'd say it's more true that the US has a culture of fear, and a lot of women in particular are probably more scared than they need to be. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
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Marc Clifton wrote:
That was quite the thread!
Did you bring the popcorn? :) Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Did you bring the popcorn?
:laugh: Only when watching porno flicks. ;P Just kidding! Marc Pensieve
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Christian Graus wrote:
we're obviously not going to see eye to eye.
or butt to hand. What I wonder is, in the article, one of the models says "I was walking very relaxed and a guy rode by on his bicycle and, 'ta!' He smacked me..." Now, this got me thinking. What does "very relaxed" mean? Is it a euphamism for hip swinging, provacative walking? And why would the model bring this up? Was she insinuating that the woman possibly provoked the slap by walking in a "slap me" suggestive manner? Marc Pensieve
I think she meant that the slap left her less relaxed. But the whole thing is obviously a media beat up. As I said before, what a pile of crap. Four years house arrest ? I'm on the verge of googling to see if it's even true. If it is, then the world has finally been taken over by idiots. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
I said he deserved it the pusnishment. Anything else you get out of that is in your own head.
You said he deserved the punishment, and THEN said that if he was just given a warning, he would do it again. You apparently saw no other options.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
You can overpower her.
Perhaps.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Who said it was on the basis she may get raped?
I sure as hell didn't bring the rape thing into the equation.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
If they do they probably have another agenda or are gay and/or have psychological issues.
But a chick who would press charges in this instance doesn't ?
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Correction, you assume everything.
Fine. Look, if your sister got raped or something, I am really, genuinely sorry. If not, then I cannot imagine what's causing you to have this totally illogical, self defeating argument that a guy can get 4 years detention over something so trivial. And I see no reason to discuss it further.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Looks don't matter, but attractive women tend to be victimized moreso.
Bollocks. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
Christian Graus wrote:
You said he deserved the punishment, and THEN said that if he was just given a warning, he would do it again. You apparently saw no other options.
I realized what I said. The warning was an example. In no way does it imply those are the only options.
Christian Graus wrote:
I sure as hell didn't bring the rape thing into the equation.
I realize, but that didn't answer the question.
Christian Graus wrote:
But a chick who would press charges in this instance doesn't ?
Women and men are not the same creatures. For the second time, sex is not view the same way. Naturally, there would be different psychological implications involved because of this.
Christian Graus wrote:
Fine. Look, if your sister got raped or something, I am really, genuinely sorry.
What would that change? For one, it wasn't my sister. For two, like I said you need to talk to more poeple because you obviously don't understand anyone else's viewpoint besides your own.
Christian Graus wrote:
If not, then I cannot imagine what's causing you to have this totally illogical
Just becase you don't understand it doesn't make it illogical.
Christian Graus wrote:
Bollocks.
It's true. You just said you don't keep track of women being raped and yet you know this to be crap? Sounds like you're just being stubborn. Jeremy Falcon
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Did you bring the popcorn?
:laugh: Only when watching porno flicks. ;P Just kidding! Marc Pensieve
Marc Clifton wrote:
Just kidding!
Obviously, we all know :beer: goes better. :) Jeremy Falcon
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I think she meant that the slap left her less relaxed. But the whole thing is obviously a media beat up. As I said before, what a pile of crap. Four years house arrest ? I'm on the verge of googling to see if it's even true. If it is, then the world has finally been taken over by idiots. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
Christian Graus wrote:
If it is, then the world has finally been taken over by idiots.
Ah, you and I both know that that happened a long time ago. Shall we hijack the thread and discuss how Eve's act of eating the apple was the first act of human idiocy, or Adam believing Eve (a woman!) that he should eat the apple? In either case, people have been acting like idiots ever since. Marc Pensieve
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Perhaps you'll never have a clue what it's like to watch your back all your days
Sounds like my teenage years. Seriously.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Really you should talk to more women.
Perhaps it's a cultural thing. Perhaps women are just treated differently in the US, although it didn't seem that way when I was over there. I'd say it's more true that the US has a culture of fear, and a lot of women in particular are probably more scared than they need to be. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
Christian Graus wrote:
I'd say it's more true that the US has a culture of fear
Actually that one I can buy to an extent.
Christian Graus wrote:
and a lot of women in particular are probably more scared than they need to be.
Maybe, maybe not. But the fact of the matter is people don't things seriously until something happens to them personally. Otherwise it's just a story. Jeremy Falcon
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Christian Graus wrote:
You said he deserved the punishment, and THEN said that if he was just given a warning, he would do it again. You apparently saw no other options.
I realized what I said. The warning was an example. In no way does it imply those are the only options.
Christian Graus wrote:
I sure as hell didn't bring the rape thing into the equation.
I realize, but that didn't answer the question.
Christian Graus wrote:
But a chick who would press charges in this instance doesn't ?
Women and men are not the same creatures. For the second time, sex is not view the same way. Naturally, there would be different psychological implications involved because of this.
Christian Graus wrote:
Fine. Look, if your sister got raped or something, I am really, genuinely sorry.
What would that change? For one, it wasn't my sister. For two, like I said you need to talk to more poeple because you obviously don't understand anyone else's viewpoint besides your own.
Christian Graus wrote:
If not, then I cannot imagine what's causing you to have this totally illogical
Just becase you don't understand it doesn't make it illogical.
Christian Graus wrote:
Bollocks.
It's true. You just said you don't keep track of women being raped and yet you know this to be crap? Sounds like you're just being stubborn. Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
For one, it wasn't my sister.
OK - I can see why this discusion is so emotional, and totally devoid of logic. I'm sorry, subject dropped. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
For one, it wasn't my sister.
OK - I can see why this discusion is so emotional, and totally devoid of logic. I'm sorry, subject dropped. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
Christian Graus wrote:
and totally devoid of logic.
No offense, but you're being stubborn.
Christian Graus wrote:
I'm sorry, subject dropped.
For what? What does you going on your merry way and not being educated solve? Jeremy Falcon
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Christian Graus wrote:
and totally devoid of logic.
No offense, but you're being stubborn.
Christian Graus wrote:
I'm sorry, subject dropped.
For what? What does you going on your merry way and not being educated solve? Jeremy Falcon
Because it's obvious that you have personal reasons for arguing the point as you have done, and for that reason, I can understand you being upset, and you're obviously not going to listen to reason. Or ( in your eyes ) I am an opinionated asshole who has no idea about women, and who just plain isn't going to listen. Did I sum up both sides adequately ? :P Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
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Because it's obvious that you have personal reasons for arguing the point as you have done, and for that reason, I can understand you being upset, and you're obviously not going to listen to reason. Or ( in your eyes ) I am an opinionated asshole who has no idea about women, and who just plain isn't going to listen. Did I sum up both sides adequately ? :P Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
Christian Graus wrote:
Did I sum up both sides adequately ?
Pretty much. :laugh:
Christian Graus wrote:
and you're obviously not going to listen to reason.
I think it comes down to this. You don't think a slap on the ass is a big deal, but I do. Like I said people don't bother to think to realize some things until it happens to them. It's like a car being stolen. Someone that has their car stolen probably makes sure they lock their car doors more. Why? Because it's just another story to people unless it happens to them. After it happens they are willing to believe it. Do you think a tornado will hit your house tomorrow? Probably not. You don't worry about it much. But, it has hit some people before. The point, you don't worry or care much about it. Just like you don't think much about the slap on the ass. Jeremy Falcon