Slap Happy
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Yeah, looks like I just got another reply. I think it's time to drop it, we're obviously not going to see eye to eye. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
Christian Graus wrote:
we're obviously not going to see eye to eye.
or butt to hand. What I wonder is, in the article, one of the models says "I was walking very relaxed and a guy rode by on his bicycle and, 'ta!' He smacked me..." Now, this got me thinking. What does "very relaxed" mean? Is it a euphamism for hip swinging, provacative walking? And why would the model bring this up? Was she insinuating that the woman possibly provoked the slap by walking in a "slap me" suggestive manner? Marc Pensieve
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Christian Graus wrote:
Jeremy has done his best to equate a slap with intended rape, but I just don't see it.
Perhaps you'll never have a clue what it's like to watch your back all your days. Really you should talk to more women. Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Perhaps you'll never have a clue what it's like to watch your back all your days
Sounds like my teenage years. Seriously.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Really you should talk to more women.
Perhaps it's a cultural thing. Perhaps women are just treated differently in the US, although it didn't seem that way when I was over there. I'd say it's more true that the US has a culture of fear, and a lot of women in particular are probably more scared than they need to be. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
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Marc Clifton wrote:
That was quite the thread!
Did you bring the popcorn? :) Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Did you bring the popcorn?
:laugh: Only when watching porno flicks. ;P Just kidding! Marc Pensieve
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Christian Graus wrote:
we're obviously not going to see eye to eye.
or butt to hand. What I wonder is, in the article, one of the models says "I was walking very relaxed and a guy rode by on his bicycle and, 'ta!' He smacked me..." Now, this got me thinking. What does "very relaxed" mean? Is it a euphamism for hip swinging, provacative walking? And why would the model bring this up? Was she insinuating that the woman possibly provoked the slap by walking in a "slap me" suggestive manner? Marc Pensieve
I think she meant that the slap left her less relaxed. But the whole thing is obviously a media beat up. As I said before, what a pile of crap. Four years house arrest ? I'm on the verge of googling to see if it's even true. If it is, then the world has finally been taken over by idiots. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
I said he deserved it the pusnishment. Anything else you get out of that is in your own head.
You said he deserved the punishment, and THEN said that if he was just given a warning, he would do it again. You apparently saw no other options.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
You can overpower her.
Perhaps.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Who said it was on the basis she may get raped?
I sure as hell didn't bring the rape thing into the equation.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
If they do they probably have another agenda or are gay and/or have psychological issues.
But a chick who would press charges in this instance doesn't ?
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Correction, you assume everything.
Fine. Look, if your sister got raped or something, I am really, genuinely sorry. If not, then I cannot imagine what's causing you to have this totally illogical, self defeating argument that a guy can get 4 years detention over something so trivial. And I see no reason to discuss it further.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Looks don't matter, but attractive women tend to be victimized moreso.
Bollocks. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
Christian Graus wrote:
You said he deserved the punishment, and THEN said that if he was just given a warning, he would do it again. You apparently saw no other options.
I realized what I said. The warning was an example. In no way does it imply those are the only options.
Christian Graus wrote:
I sure as hell didn't bring the rape thing into the equation.
I realize, but that didn't answer the question.
Christian Graus wrote:
But a chick who would press charges in this instance doesn't ?
Women and men are not the same creatures. For the second time, sex is not view the same way. Naturally, there would be different psychological implications involved because of this.
Christian Graus wrote:
Fine. Look, if your sister got raped or something, I am really, genuinely sorry.
What would that change? For one, it wasn't my sister. For two, like I said you need to talk to more poeple because you obviously don't understand anyone else's viewpoint besides your own.
Christian Graus wrote:
If not, then I cannot imagine what's causing you to have this totally illogical
Just becase you don't understand it doesn't make it illogical.
Christian Graus wrote:
Bollocks.
It's true. You just said you don't keep track of women being raped and yet you know this to be crap? Sounds like you're just being stubborn. Jeremy Falcon
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Did you bring the popcorn?
:laugh: Only when watching porno flicks. ;P Just kidding! Marc Pensieve
Marc Clifton wrote:
Just kidding!
Obviously, we all know :beer: goes better. :) Jeremy Falcon
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I think she meant that the slap left her less relaxed. But the whole thing is obviously a media beat up. As I said before, what a pile of crap. Four years house arrest ? I'm on the verge of googling to see if it's even true. If it is, then the world has finally been taken over by idiots. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
Christian Graus wrote:
If it is, then the world has finally been taken over by idiots.
Ah, you and I both know that that happened a long time ago. Shall we hijack the thread and discuss how Eve's act of eating the apple was the first act of human idiocy, or Adam believing Eve (a woman!) that he should eat the apple? In either case, people have been acting like idiots ever since. Marc Pensieve
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Perhaps you'll never have a clue what it's like to watch your back all your days
Sounds like my teenage years. Seriously.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Really you should talk to more women.
Perhaps it's a cultural thing. Perhaps women are just treated differently in the US, although it didn't seem that way when I was over there. I'd say it's more true that the US has a culture of fear, and a lot of women in particular are probably more scared than they need to be. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
Christian Graus wrote:
I'd say it's more true that the US has a culture of fear
Actually that one I can buy to an extent.
Christian Graus wrote:
and a lot of women in particular are probably more scared than they need to be.
Maybe, maybe not. But the fact of the matter is people don't things seriously until something happens to them personally. Otherwise it's just a story. Jeremy Falcon
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Christian Graus wrote:
You said he deserved the punishment, and THEN said that if he was just given a warning, he would do it again. You apparently saw no other options.
I realized what I said. The warning was an example. In no way does it imply those are the only options.
Christian Graus wrote:
I sure as hell didn't bring the rape thing into the equation.
I realize, but that didn't answer the question.
Christian Graus wrote:
But a chick who would press charges in this instance doesn't ?
Women and men are not the same creatures. For the second time, sex is not view the same way. Naturally, there would be different psychological implications involved because of this.
Christian Graus wrote:
Fine. Look, if your sister got raped or something, I am really, genuinely sorry.
What would that change? For one, it wasn't my sister. For two, like I said you need to talk to more poeple because you obviously don't understand anyone else's viewpoint besides your own.
Christian Graus wrote:
If not, then I cannot imagine what's causing you to have this totally illogical
Just becase you don't understand it doesn't make it illogical.
Christian Graus wrote:
Bollocks.
It's true. You just said you don't keep track of women being raped and yet you know this to be crap? Sounds like you're just being stubborn. Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
For one, it wasn't my sister.
OK - I can see why this discusion is so emotional, and totally devoid of logic. I'm sorry, subject dropped. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
For one, it wasn't my sister.
OK - I can see why this discusion is so emotional, and totally devoid of logic. I'm sorry, subject dropped. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
Christian Graus wrote:
and totally devoid of logic.
No offense, but you're being stubborn.
Christian Graus wrote:
I'm sorry, subject dropped.
For what? What does you going on your merry way and not being educated solve? Jeremy Falcon
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Christian Graus wrote:
and totally devoid of logic.
No offense, but you're being stubborn.
Christian Graus wrote:
I'm sorry, subject dropped.
For what? What does you going on your merry way and not being educated solve? Jeremy Falcon
Because it's obvious that you have personal reasons for arguing the point as you have done, and for that reason, I can understand you being upset, and you're obviously not going to listen to reason. Or ( in your eyes ) I am an opinionated asshole who has no idea about women, and who just plain isn't going to listen. Did I sum up both sides adequately ? :P Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
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Because it's obvious that you have personal reasons for arguing the point as you have done, and for that reason, I can understand you being upset, and you're obviously not going to listen to reason. Or ( in your eyes ) I am an opinionated asshole who has no idea about women, and who just plain isn't going to listen. Did I sum up both sides adequately ? :P Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
Christian Graus wrote:
Did I sum up both sides adequately ?
Pretty much. :laugh:
Christian Graus wrote:
and you're obviously not going to listen to reason.
I think it comes down to this. You don't think a slap on the ass is a big deal, but I do. Like I said people don't bother to think to realize some things until it happens to them. It's like a car being stolen. Someone that has their car stolen probably makes sure they lock their car doors more. Why? Because it's just another story to people unless it happens to them. After it happens they are willing to believe it. Do you think a tornado will hit your house tomorrow? Probably not. You don't worry about it much. But, it has hit some people before. The point, you don't worry or care much about it. Just like you don't think much about the slap on the ass. Jeremy Falcon
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Vincent Reynolds wrote:
Riiiight. You know this because the death penalty has put an end to murder, and mandatory sentencing put an end to drug abuse. Maybe they should cut off his hand.
What? Yeah and if people robbed stores and all they got was a warning it would surely not get worse. :rolleyes:
Vincent Reynolds wrote:
Out of curiosity, how would you feel if it was your son (or daughter) doing the slapping?
The same way. Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
What? Yeah and if people robbed stores and all they got was a warning it would surely not get worse.
Yes, of course it would. :rolleyes: Drug war? Death penalty? What, no comment on actual facts? What I said -- and you ignored, so I'll say it again -- is that extremely harsh punishment doesn't work as a deterrent, never has, and never will. Studies show a consistently higher murder rate in death penalty states. Adequate, not excessive, punishment, and some attempt at education is what should be applied in this case. Somewhere along the way, this jackass got it in his head that it's okay to slap random women on the ass. This is obviously a mistake, and should be corrected, but not by four years of confinement. Probation, a non-trivial fine, a public apology, a beat-down by an angry boyfriend or husband; these all make more sense than four years of the man's life.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
The same way.
M'kay. So if your hypothetical child went on a serial slapping spree, and slapped, let's say 30 women on the butt, and the courts put him away for 120 years, that would be equitable? I feel sorry for your current or future children.
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
It's one thing if a chick is asking for sexual attention, it's another if they aren't.
And how do you define "asking" for sexual attention? My Programming Library C#, C# Run
Toasty0 wrote:
And how do you define "asking" for sexual attention?
"Would you like to have sex with me?"
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i think the punishment is excessive, but he damn well should expect punishment!
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What's the big deal? You KNOW she liked it!
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
What? Yeah and if people robbed stores and all they got was a warning it would surely not get worse.
Yes, of course it would. :rolleyes: Drug war? Death penalty? What, no comment on actual facts? What I said -- and you ignored, so I'll say it again -- is that extremely harsh punishment doesn't work as a deterrent, never has, and never will. Studies show a consistently higher murder rate in death penalty states. Adequate, not excessive, punishment, and some attempt at education is what should be applied in this case. Somewhere along the way, this jackass got it in his head that it's okay to slap random women on the ass. This is obviously a mistake, and should be corrected, but not by four years of confinement. Probation, a non-trivial fine, a public apology, a beat-down by an angry boyfriend or husband; these all make more sense than four years of the man's life.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
The same way.
M'kay. So if your hypothetical child went on a serial slapping spree, and slapped, let's say 30 women on the butt, and the courts put him away for 120 years, that would be equitable? I feel sorry for your current or future children.
Vincent Reynolds wrote:
Studies show a consistently higher murder rate in death penalty states
bullshit!! what studies?
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Perhaps you'll never have a clue what it's like to watch your back all your days
Sounds like my teenage years. Seriously.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Really you should talk to more women.
Perhaps it's a cultural thing. Perhaps women are just treated differently in the US, although it didn't seem that way when I was over there. I'd say it's more true that the US has a culture of fear, and a lot of women in particular are probably more scared than they need to be. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
Christian Graus wrote:
US has a culture of fear
yep. Due to a lot of feminazi PR crap from the NOW (National Organization of Women)
Christian Graus wrote:
lot of women in particular are probably more scared than they need to be
yep. see above. now before the wackos start wacking, yes SOME men prey on women. MOST (99%) men don't. It's also true that MOST women don't understand how men think and operate and often unintentionally send signals that SOME men take the wrong way. Should we ALL be ostrasized and stigmatized because of few bad apples? That is soooo junior high. Remember when the entire class would be punished by the teacher because 1 or 2 students did something the teach didn't like? Remember how that felt and how unfair that was?
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Vincent Reynolds wrote:
Studies show a consistently higher murder rate in death penalty states
bullshit!! what studies?
It's been a while since I did the research, and I'm not going to retrace my steps for this thread, so I would suggest a quick Google search. My results list a bunch of academic studies showing weak correlation to inverse correlation, and a metric buttload of religious(?!) sites extolling the biblical virtues of killing convicted criminals. Statistics lie, of course, so it's your choice which side to believe. I'd suggest deathpenaltyinfo.org. Ignore the obvious bias, look at the data and its sources. (BTW, if you'd like to start a death penalty thread, I'd be happy to debate that issue, but this thread isn't the place.) That point aside, would you care to refute the fact that stiffer penalties have had little to no deterrent effect on drug use? Do higher fines reduce speeding? Can you point me to any two areas where harsher punishment has served as an effective deterrent?
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It's been a while since I did the research, and I'm not going to retrace my steps for this thread, so I would suggest a quick Google search. My results list a bunch of academic studies showing weak correlation to inverse correlation, and a metric buttload of religious(?!) sites extolling the biblical virtues of killing convicted criminals. Statistics lie, of course, so it's your choice which side to believe. I'd suggest deathpenaltyinfo.org. Ignore the obvious bias, look at the data and its sources. (BTW, if you'd like to start a death penalty thread, I'd be happy to debate that issue, but this thread isn't the place.) That point aside, would you care to refute the fact that stiffer penalties have had little to no deterrent effect on drug use? Do higher fines reduce speeding? Can you point me to any two areas where harsher punishment has served as an effective deterrent?
I think you're definately wrong there. http://www.johansens.us/sane/law/capstate.htm[^] This link looks dubious, but he backs up his data. I'm inclined to think that there isn't much of a deterrent effect, but the death penalty clearly does not increase murder rates as the per capita murder rate is lower in death penalty states. It looks like the states with the lowest murder rates are also the coldest...probably because people don't get out as much. I would imagine that life in prison would be as much of a deterrent to murder as the death penalty. I'm pro death penalty not because of any sort of deterrent effect, but because it delivers justice to the guilty. If you kill someone, that's really the only true way to pay for your actions.