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  • J Jan van den Baard

    This weekend I have learned why backing up your data on a regular basis is so important. My harddisk gave up on me. Not just a little bit but completely and without any warning whatsoever. I was trying to install VC++ .NET for which I needed to re-arrange my partitions with PartitionMagic (7) a bit to create room for it. Then trouble began... During startup PartitionMagic reported a problem in a partitiontable with the option to fix it. I choose to fix it, PartitionMagic reported the problem fixed and that was the end of my harddisk. Even the BIOS does not recognize it anymore :eek: I am sure that PartitionMagic is not to blame. I haver used it for years without a single problem. Still I was amazed that a harddisk could simply die like that... Luckely I had recent backups of most of my data but still quite a bit of work has been lost... All in all not a nice way to spend a saturday.

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    Nish Nishant
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    Which OS were you on? I didnt know Partition Magic ran on Win2K directly. Nish

    My miniputt high is now 29 I do not think I can improve on that My temperament won't hold www.busterboy.org

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      I've had hard drives die like that - the best thing is to run multiple HDD and put your valuable data on more than one. Oh, I installed VS.NET on Friday, it took over 8 hours. Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm thinking of getting married for companionship and so I have someone to cook and clean." - Martin Marvinski, 6/3/2002

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      Nish Nishant
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      Christian Graus wrote: Oh, I installed VS.NET on Friday, it took over 8 hours. How much RAM do you have? Nish

      My miniputt high is now 29 I do not think I can improve on that My temperament won't hold www.busterboy.org

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        Christian Graus wrote: Oh, I installed VS.NET on Friday, it took over 8 hours. How much RAM do you have? Nish

        My miniputt high is now 29 I do not think I can improve on that My temperament won't hold www.busterboy.org

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        Christian Graus
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        Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: How much RAM do you have? 640M. How much do I need ? Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm thinking of getting married for companionship and so I have someone to cook and clean." - Martin Marvinski, 6/3/2002

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          Which OS were you on? I didnt know Partition Magic ran on Win2K directly. Nish

          My miniputt high is now 29 I do not think I can improve on that My temperament won't hold www.busterboy.org

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          Christian Graus
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          It sure does, and XP as well. Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm thinking of getting married for companionship and so I have someone to cook and clean." - Martin Marvinski, 6/3/2002

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            Which OS were you on? I didnt know Partition Magic ran on Win2K directly. Nish

            My miniputt high is now 29 I do not think I can improve on that My temperament won't hold www.busterboy.org

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            Jan van den Baard
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            Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: Which OS were you on? I didnt know Partition Magic ran on Win2K directly I have both ME and XP running. I did (tried) the partitioning on Windows ME. From the top of my head the "normal" version 7 of PartitionMagic runs on all windows versions except server editions and NT4 workstation.

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              Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: Which OS were you on? I didnt know Partition Magic ran on Win2K directly I have both ME and XP running. I did (tried) the partitioning on Windows ME. From the top of my head the "normal" version 7 of PartitionMagic runs on all windows versions except server editions and NT4 workstation.

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              Nish Nishant
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              Jan van den Baard wrote: except server editions Ah, that explains why it didnt work on my Win2K server :-) Nish

              My miniputt high is now 29 I do not think I can improve on that My temperament won't hold www.busterboy.org

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                It sure does, and XP as well. Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm thinking of getting married for companionship and so I have someone to cook and clean." - Martin Marvinski, 6/3/2002

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                Nish Nishant
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                Well it didn;t work on my Win2K [server with SP2] Nish

                My miniputt high is now 29 I do not think I can improve on that My temperament won't hold www.busterboy.org

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                  Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: How much RAM do you have? 640M. How much do I need ? Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm thinking of getting married for companionship and so I have someone to cook and clean." - Martin Marvinski, 6/3/2002

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                  Nish Nishant
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                  Christian Graus wrote: 640M. How much do I need ? Ouch!!! I shouldn't have asked Nish

                  My miniputt high is now 29 I do not think I can improve on that My temperament won't hold www.busterboy.org

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                    Well it didn;t work on my Win2K [server with SP2] Nish

                    My miniputt high is now 29 I do not think I can improve on that My temperament won't hold www.busterboy.org

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                    Christian Graus
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                    You just need a newer version then, unless it only does not work with server, but can't imagine why. Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm thinking of getting married for companionship and so I have someone to cook and clean." - Martin Marvinski, 6/3/2002

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                      Christian Graus wrote: 640M. How much do I need ? Ouch!!! I shouldn't have asked Nish

                      My miniputt high is now 29 I do not think I can improve on that My temperament won't hold www.busterboy.org

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                      Nish, you should know by now how hard I work at being the alpha-geek. :-) Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm thinking of getting married for companionship and so I have someone to cook and clean." - Martin Marvinski, 6/3/2002

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                        You just need a newer version then, unless it only does not work with server, but can't imagine why. Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm thinking of getting married for companionship and so I have someone to cook and clean." - Martin Marvinski, 6/3/2002

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                        Christian Graus wrote: You just need a newer version then, unless it only does not work with server, but can't imagine why. Jan van den Baard said that it won't work on the server versions of Win2K Nish

                        My miniputt high is now 29 I do not think I can improve on that My temperament won't hold www.busterboy.org

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                          I've had hard drives die like that - the best thing is to run multiple HDD and put your valuable data on more than one. Oh, I installed VS.NET on Friday, it took over 8 hours. Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm thinking of getting married for companionship and so I have someone to cook and clean." - Martin Marvinski, 6/3/2002

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                          Andrew Torrance
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                          For home use a second hard disc mirroring the main one is a good solution. IDE raid is cheap and you never have to worry about back ups .

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                            For home use a second hard disc mirroring the main one is a good solution. IDE raid is cheap and you never have to worry about back ups .

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                            Until someone steals the computer X| Neville Franks, Author of ED for Windows. www.getsoft.com

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                            • J Jan van den Baard

                              This weekend I have learned why backing up your data on a regular basis is so important. My harddisk gave up on me. Not just a little bit but completely and without any warning whatsoever. I was trying to install VC++ .NET for which I needed to re-arrange my partitions with PartitionMagic (7) a bit to create room for it. Then trouble began... During startup PartitionMagic reported a problem in a partitiontable with the option to fix it. I choose to fix it, PartitionMagic reported the problem fixed and that was the end of my harddisk. Even the BIOS does not recognize it anymore :eek: I am sure that PartitionMagic is not to blame. I haver used it for years without a single problem. Still I was amazed that a harddisk could simply die like that... Luckely I had recent backups of most of my data but still quite a bit of work has been lost... All in all not a nice way to spend a saturday.

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                              Neville Franks
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                              I'm a fanatic about backups. I backup to a second machine 3-6 times a day, to zip disk every half hour or so and to an offsite computer every day or two. I never walk out the door without my zip disk. The thought of having to rewrite code I've laboured over for hours and hours is simply too scary for my liking. My current favourite backup program is BackupXpress. It can back to FTP/Email as well as Disk etc. and offers strong encryption. And as we all know your hard disk/pc will always die at the worst possible time.:omg: Neville Franks, Author of ED for Windows. www.getsoft.com

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                                Nish, you should know by now how hard I work at being the alpha-geek. :-) Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm thinking of getting married for companionship and so I have someone to cook and clean." - Martin Marvinski, 6/3/2002

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                                I think nish asked that 'cause you said it took 8 hrs to install. In my machine P3-600-256MB running win xp took an hour and half for the install. What took you eight long hours :confused: Cheers Kannan

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                                  I'm a fanatic about backups. I backup to a second machine 3-6 times a day, to zip disk every half hour or so and to an offsite computer every day or two. I never walk out the door without my zip disk. The thought of having to rewrite code I've laboured over for hours and hours is simply too scary for my liking. My current favourite backup program is BackupXpress. It can back to FTP/Email as well as Disk etc. and offers strong encryption. And as we all know your hard disk/pc will always die at the worst possible time.:omg: Neville Franks, Author of ED for Windows. www.getsoft.com

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                                  Jan van den Baard
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                                  Neville Franks wrote: I'm a fanatic about backups. I backup to a second machine 3-6 times a day, to zip disk every half hour or so and to an offsite computer every day or two. I never walk out the door without my zip disk. The thought of having to rewrite code I've laboured over for hours and hours is simply too scary for my liking. My current favourite backup program is BackupXpress. It can back to FTP/Email as well as Disk etc. and offers strong encryption. I usually zip the whole project directory and burn it on a multi-session CD. Fast and cheap. My only problem is that I have to remind myself to do it ;)

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                                    I think nish asked that 'cause you said it took 8 hrs to install. In my machine P3-600-256MB running win xp took an hour and half for the install. What took you eight long hours :confused: Cheers Kannan

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                                    The installer does not like it if you had beta 2 installed, even if you remove it. I guess they presume people who saw the beta are not going to buy the product :-) I had a virgin W2000, I had literally installed nothing else bar the OS, not even service packs until the install did it for me. Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm thinking of getting married for companionship and so I have someone to cook and clean." - Martin Marvinski, 6/3/2002

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                                      Neville Franks wrote: I'm a fanatic about backups. I backup to a second machine 3-6 times a day, to zip disk every half hour or so and to an offsite computer every day or two. I never walk out the door without my zip disk. The thought of having to rewrite code I've laboured over for hours and hours is simply too scary for my liking. My current favourite backup program is BackupXpress. It can back to FTP/Email as well as Disk etc. and offers strong encryption. I usually zip the whole project directory and burn it on a multi-session CD. Fast and cheap. My only problem is that I have to remind myself to do it ;)

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                                      Jan van den Baard wrote: I usually zip the whole project directory and burn it on a multi-session CD. Fast and cheap. My only problem is that I have to remind myself to do it Besides your memory the other problem with this is where you put the CD. I have a Fireproof safe. A small Fireproof safe isn't that expensive and is a definitely a good investment. One of the good things about BackupXPress is that it has a built-in schedular, so for example, you can set it to do a daily backup for you. If you have a Web site or somewhere you can FTP or Email to, this is a simple sure way to get things backed up safely off-site. Neville Franks, Author of ED for Windows. www.getsoft.com

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                                        I've had hard drives die like that - the best thing is to run multiple HDD and put your valuable data on more than one. Oh, I installed VS.NET on Friday, it took over 8 hours. Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm thinking of getting married for companionship and so I have someone to cook and clean." - Martin Marvinski, 6/3/2002

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                                        It took me 3 hours, but the installer displayed '53 minutes remaining' all long. In the last 10 minutes, the installer displayed '4 minutes remaining'. Then, it completed. Am I wrong or MS can do sophisticated data mining products, Excel, they have high end Maths researchers, but they cannot do a simple "time remaining prediction", even when the machine is dedicated only to the installer ? Crivo Automated Credit Assessment

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                                          This weekend I have learned why backing up your data on a regular basis is so important. My harddisk gave up on me. Not just a little bit but completely and without any warning whatsoever. I was trying to install VC++ .NET for which I needed to re-arrange my partitions with PartitionMagic (7) a bit to create room for it. Then trouble began... During startup PartitionMagic reported a problem in a partitiontable with the option to fix it. I choose to fix it, PartitionMagic reported the problem fixed and that was the end of my harddisk. Even the BIOS does not recognize it anymore :eek: I am sure that PartitionMagic is not to blame. I haver used it for years without a single problem. Still I was amazed that a harddisk could simply die like that... Luckely I had recent backups of most of my data but still quite a bit of work has been lost... All in all not a nice way to spend a saturday.

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                                          <based-on-my-experience> Jan van den Baard wrote: I am sure that PartitionMagic is not to blame. I haver used it for years without a single problem. I would not be so quick to waive responsibility. I personally experienced a very similar problem where a drive was trashed completely after using PartitionMagic on it to split it into two partitions, and in the sweat and head beating that followed I managed to talk with a guy who was a professional data recoverer by day, and he explained to me that PartitionMagic works well in the long run, but when it does it go wrong it has catastrophic effects, and it can go wrong doing the most simple and routine of things. In short, he recomended me not to use PartitionMagic again. </based-on-my-experience> ________________ David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk Sonork ID: 100.9977 Dave …

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