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Does the absence of matter in a space mean the space does not exist. If there is nothing outside the marble (including space without matter in it), where does the marble expand to?
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Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote:
What's outside the marble?[^]
there is no outside. there is only the marble. Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
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Does the absence of matter in a space mean the space does not exist. If there is nothing outside the marble (including space without matter in it), where does the marble expand to?
Tim Carmichael wrote:
Does the absence of matter in a space mean the space does not exist
there is not an 'absence of matter in a space'. there is an absence of space (and of time) itself. the universe itself defines space and time, and there can be neither without the universe. and, there is no way to know anything about what is outside the universe, and nothing 'outside' the universe can affect anything inside - by definition of 'universe'. Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
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Does the absence of matter in a space mean the space does not exist. If there is nothing outside the marble (including space without matter in it), where does the marble expand to?
Tim Carmichael wrote:
If there is nothing outside the marble (including space without matter in it), where does the marble expand to?
From my understanding, space is curved onto itself; which means theoretically you can start from a point, keep traveling in a straight line, and end up at your starting point - much like walking around the earth. Cheers, Vikram.
I don't know and you don't either. Militant Agnostic
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Gary Kirkham wrote:
Why do people find the statement, "God created the heavens and the earth" somehow less believable?
Because it is unbelievable? At least these scientists are examining an event to decipher and explain what happened without dismissing it as the creation of an omnipotent and unseen deity and are putting forward both theories and evidence to support their claims. Where is the tangible, verifiable evidence of your god? www.merrens.com
www.bkmrx.comThe essence of faith is to believe without requiring proof. But, for proof, I look at the marvel that is creation; I see the flowers in their infinite beauty; I see the stars that light the night sky. But, if proof is required, Jesus died and rose from the dead. Proof of God's existence.
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Tim Carmichael wrote:
If there is nothing outside the marble (including space without matter in it), where does the marble expand to?
From my understanding, space is curved onto itself; which means theoretically you can start from a point, keep traveling in a straight line, and end up at your starting point - much like walking around the earth. Cheers, Vikram.
I don't know and you don't either. Militant Agnostic
What happens when you keep adjusting your path to keep going straight. For example, two people start out in opposite directions and reach the same point, they then restart moving closer down the road and end up at the same initial position. However, what happens if they repeat this an infinite number of times each time moving closer and closer? :) "If only one person knows the truth, it is still the truth." - Mahatma Gandhi Web - Blog - RSS - Math
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The essence of faith is to believe without requiring proof. But, for proof, I look at the marvel that is creation; I see the flowers in their infinite beauty; I see the stars that light the night sky. But, if proof is required, Jesus died and rose from the dead. Proof of God's existence.
From one of Paul's letters[^], one of my favorite bits:
The basic reality of God is plain enough. Open your eyes and there it is! By taking a long and thoughtful look at what God has created, people have always been able to see what their eyes as such can't see: eternal power, for instance, and the mystery of his divine existence.
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The essence of faith is to believe without requiring proof. But, for proof, I look at the marvel that is creation; I see the flowers in their infinite beauty; I see the stars that light the night sky. But, if proof is required, Jesus died and rose from the dead. Proof of God's existence.
Tim Carmichael wrote:
But, if proof is required, Jesus died and rose from the dead. Proof of God's existence.
What the hell sort of proof is that? jesus dies, must be son of god, yata, yata, proves NOTHING and simply shows you to be gullible and foolish. Present actual proof of your contention that is not an account written by someone not an eyewitness and not even born at the time this was supposed to happen. Oh, you can't, can you? Bible? Sorry, that doesn't count as anything other than a poorly written tale of dysfunctional family life. Anything else? www.merrens.com
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The fact that everything came from nothing isn't enough for you to believe in God? Who's to say that God didn't create it the big bang way so that our finite and irrational minds (the only mathematical exception - see thread below) can understand and accept it? "If only one person knows the truth, it is still the truth." - Mahatma Gandhi Web - Blog - RSS - Math
Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote:
The fact that everything came from nothing isn't enough for you to believe in God?
Of course not.
Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote:
Who's to say that God didn't create it the big bang way so that our finite and irrational minds (the only mathematical exception - see thread below) can understand and accept it?
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Tim Carmichael wrote:
But, if proof is required, Jesus died and rose from the dead. Proof of God's existence.
What the hell sort of proof is that? jesus dies, must be son of god, yata, yata, proves NOTHING and simply shows you to be gullible and foolish. Present actual proof of your contention that is not an account written by someone not an eyewitness and not even born at the time this was supposed to happen. Oh, you can't, can you? Bible? Sorry, that doesn't count as anything other than a poorly written tale of dysfunctional family life. Anything else? www.merrens.com
www.bkmrx.comSo, rather than believe the evidence of my senses and eye-witness accounts of people who WERE alive at the time of the events, I should believe theoretical science and postulations about an event that supposedly happened when no one was alive? Now, who needs faith...
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So, rather than believe the evidence of my senses and eye-witness accounts of people who WERE alive at the time of the events, I should believe theoretical science and postulations about an event that supposedly happened when no one was alive? Now, who needs faith...
Faith is for the weak of mind: you use your faith as a crutch to duck the responsibilities and consequences that life throws at you. How easy it is to push the blame on to your god for everything you don't like about the world.
Tim Carmichael wrote:
evidence of my senses
What sense is that then? Your time travel sense?
Tim Carmichael wrote:
eye-witness accounts of people who WERE alive at the time of the events
Where can I find copies of the these independent accounts of this supposed event? Don't say bible cos that does not count. You'd be using the bible to argue for the existnece of a character depicted therein. Be like me saying that the great spaghetti monster is real cos it's on a web site. www.merrens.com
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I think we all know who really created the Universe... Universe Creator Couldn't see that one coming, could you? "My dog worries about the economy. Alpo is up to 99 cents a can. That's almost seven dollars in dog money" - Wacky humour found in a business magazine
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Faith is for the weak of mind: you use your faith as a crutch to duck the responsibilities and consequences that life throws at you. How easy it is to push the blame on to your god for everything you don't like about the world.
Tim Carmichael wrote:
evidence of my senses
What sense is that then? Your time travel sense?
Tim Carmichael wrote:
eye-witness accounts of people who WERE alive at the time of the events
Where can I find copies of the these independent accounts of this supposed event? Don't say bible cos that does not count. You'd be using the bible to argue for the existnece of a character depicted therein. Be like me saying that the great spaghetti monster is real cos it's on a web site. www.merrens.com
www.bkmrx.comdigital man wrote:
Faith is for the weak of mind:
Spirituality is actually one of the highest functions of the human mind. It is the mind that is devoid of spirituality that is weak.
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Faith is for the weak of mind: you use your faith as a crutch to duck the responsibilities and consequences that life throws at you. How easy it is to push the blame on to your god for everything you don't like about the world.
Tim Carmichael wrote:
evidence of my senses
What sense is that then? Your time travel sense?
Tim Carmichael wrote:
eye-witness accounts of people who WERE alive at the time of the events
Where can I find copies of the these independent accounts of this supposed event? Don't say bible cos that does not count. You'd be using the bible to argue for the existnece of a character depicted therein. Be like me saying that the great spaghetti monster is real cos it's on a web site. www.merrens.com
www.bkmrx.comUsing your logic, I can't go into a library and find various books that support an idea, because they are in the same place. The Bible is a compilation of numerous books; the books of Matthew, Mark, Luke, John and Acts all support that Jesus rose from the dead. Five seperate accounts, bound together into a single volume.
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The essence of faith is to believe without requiring proof. But, for proof, I look at the marvel that is creation; I see the flowers in their infinite beauty; I see the stars that light the night sky. But, if proof is required, Jesus died and rose from the dead. Proof of God's existence.
Tim Carmichael wrote:
The essence of faith is to believe without requiring proof. But, for proof, I look at the marvel that is creation; I see the flowers in their infinite beauty; I see the stars that light the night sky.
Could this part of the discussion be taken to the soapbox before it degrades into a verbal brawl?
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Faith is for the weak of mind: you use your faith as a crutch to duck the responsibilities and consequences that life throws at you. How easy it is to push the blame on to your god for everything you don't like about the world.
Tim Carmichael wrote:
evidence of my senses
What sense is that then? Your time travel sense?
Tim Carmichael wrote:
eye-witness accounts of people who WERE alive at the time of the events
Where can I find copies of the these independent accounts of this supposed event? Don't say bible cos that does not count. You'd be using the bible to argue for the existnece of a character depicted therein. Be like me saying that the great spaghetti monster is real cos it's on a web site. www.merrens.com
www.bkmrx.comYou should go to church more often* You'd be happier. *And also earn $100,000/year, get married, move down south and register as a republican.
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Gary Kirkham wrote:
Why do people find the statement, "God created the heavens and the earth" somehow less believable?
Because it is unbelievable? At least these scientists are examining an event to decipher and explain what happened without dismissing it as the creation of an omnipotent and unseen deity and are putting forward both theories and evidence to support their claims. Where is the tangible, verifiable evidence of your god? www.merrens.com
www.bkmrx.comFor since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures. Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose. - Jim Elliot Me blog, You read
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Using your logic, I can't go into a library and find various books that support an idea, because they are in the same place. The Bible is a compilation of numerous books; the books of Matthew, Mark, Luke, John and Acts all support that Jesus rose from the dead. Five seperate accounts, bound together into a single volume.
There is no evidence that Thomas Jefferson ever existed. :~
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Tim Carmichael wrote:
The essence of faith is to believe without requiring proof. But, for proof, I look at the marvel that is creation; I see the flowers in their infinite beauty; I see the stars that light the night sky.
Could this part of the discussion be taken to the soapbox before it degrades into a verbal brawl?
DEMON-LOVER!
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Tim Carmichael wrote:
But, if proof is required, Jesus died and rose from the dead. Proof of God's existence.
What the hell sort of proof is that? jesus dies, must be son of god, yata, yata, proves NOTHING and simply shows you to be gullible and foolish. Present actual proof of your contention that is not an account written by someone not an eyewitness and not even born at the time this was supposed to happen. Oh, you can't, can you? Bible? Sorry, that doesn't count as anything other than a poorly written tale of dysfunctional family life. Anything else? www.merrens.com
www.bkmrx.comWhat kind of proof are you looking for? An early follower of Jesus put it this way: the evidence of God is all around us; we don't need a miraculous, supernatural "God was here!" kind of event to prove him, do we? Is that what you're looking for? If it is, you might be disappointed, because you are not the first to ask for such proof of God:
Later a few scholars and teachers got on him. "Teacher, we want to see your credentials. Give us some hard evidence that God is in this. How about a miracle?" Jesus said, "You're looking for proof, but you're looking for the wrong kind. All you want is something to titillate your curiosity, satisfy your lust for miracles. Because of this, the only proof you're going to get is what looks like the absence of proof.
What I am convinced of is that people who are looking for this kind of proof are out to disprove the existence of God. They aren't really looking for miracles, they're just out to disprove God's existence by the absence of miracles. If that is you, then there is nothing I can say to convince you otherwise; in fact, Jesus performed miracles himself witnessed by not only his followers, but also by people who were out to disprove his existence such as secular historians and the Judaic scribes, both groups of people saw the miracles, yet refused to believe anyways because they already had their made up their minds, there was no convincing them. I am convinced that if you do not have an open mind to God--if you are only out there to disprove his existence--then even miracles will not convince you, as it did not convince people with closed minds and hard hearts in the past. You've got to have an open mind to the existence of God before you will find proof either way.
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