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Faith is for the weak of mind: you use your faith as a crutch to duck the responsibilities and consequences that life throws at you. How easy it is to push the blame on to your god for everything you don't like about the world.
Tim Carmichael wrote:
evidence of my senses
What sense is that then? Your time travel sense?
Tim Carmichael wrote:
eye-witness accounts of people who WERE alive at the time of the events
Where can I find copies of the these independent accounts of this supposed event? Don't say bible cos that does not count. You'd be using the bible to argue for the existnece of a character depicted therein. Be like me saying that the great spaghetti monster is real cos it's on a web site. www.merrens.com
www.bkmrx.comUsing your logic, I can't go into a library and find various books that support an idea, because they are in the same place. The Bible is a compilation of numerous books; the books of Matthew, Mark, Luke, John and Acts all support that Jesus rose from the dead. Five seperate accounts, bound together into a single volume.
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The essence of faith is to believe without requiring proof. But, for proof, I look at the marvel that is creation; I see the flowers in their infinite beauty; I see the stars that light the night sky. But, if proof is required, Jesus died and rose from the dead. Proof of God's existence.
Tim Carmichael wrote:
The essence of faith is to believe without requiring proof. But, for proof, I look at the marvel that is creation; I see the flowers in their infinite beauty; I see the stars that light the night sky.
Could this part of the discussion be taken to the soapbox before it degrades into a verbal brawl?
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Faith is for the weak of mind: you use your faith as a crutch to duck the responsibilities and consequences that life throws at you. How easy it is to push the blame on to your god for everything you don't like about the world.
Tim Carmichael wrote:
evidence of my senses
What sense is that then? Your time travel sense?
Tim Carmichael wrote:
eye-witness accounts of people who WERE alive at the time of the events
Where can I find copies of the these independent accounts of this supposed event? Don't say bible cos that does not count. You'd be using the bible to argue for the existnece of a character depicted therein. Be like me saying that the great spaghetti monster is real cos it's on a web site. www.merrens.com
www.bkmrx.comYou should go to church more often* You'd be happier. *And also earn $100,000/year, get married, move down south and register as a republican.
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Gary Kirkham wrote:
Why do people find the statement, "God created the heavens and the earth" somehow less believable?
Because it is unbelievable? At least these scientists are examining an event to decipher and explain what happened without dismissing it as the creation of an omnipotent and unseen deity and are putting forward both theories and evidence to support their claims. Where is the tangible, verifiable evidence of your god? www.merrens.com
www.bkmrx.comFor since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures. Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose. - Jim Elliot Me blog, You read
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Using your logic, I can't go into a library and find various books that support an idea, because they are in the same place. The Bible is a compilation of numerous books; the books of Matthew, Mark, Luke, John and Acts all support that Jesus rose from the dead. Five seperate accounts, bound together into a single volume.
There is no evidence that Thomas Jefferson ever existed. :~
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Tim Carmichael wrote:
The essence of faith is to believe without requiring proof. But, for proof, I look at the marvel that is creation; I see the flowers in their infinite beauty; I see the stars that light the night sky.
Could this part of the discussion be taken to the soapbox before it degrades into a verbal brawl?
DEMON-LOVER!
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Tim Carmichael wrote:
But, if proof is required, Jesus died and rose from the dead. Proof of God's existence.
What the hell sort of proof is that? jesus dies, must be son of god, yata, yata, proves NOTHING and simply shows you to be gullible and foolish. Present actual proof of your contention that is not an account written by someone not an eyewitness and not even born at the time this was supposed to happen. Oh, you can't, can you? Bible? Sorry, that doesn't count as anything other than a poorly written tale of dysfunctional family life. Anything else? www.merrens.com
www.bkmrx.comWhat kind of proof are you looking for? An early follower of Jesus put it this way: the evidence of God is all around us; we don't need a miraculous, supernatural "God was here!" kind of event to prove him, do we? Is that what you're looking for? If it is, you might be disappointed, because you are not the first to ask for such proof of God:
Later a few scholars and teachers got on him. "Teacher, we want to see your credentials. Give us some hard evidence that God is in this. How about a miracle?" Jesus said, "You're looking for proof, but you're looking for the wrong kind. All you want is something to titillate your curiosity, satisfy your lust for miracles. Because of this, the only proof you're going to get is what looks like the absence of proof.
What I am convinced of is that people who are looking for this kind of proof are out to disprove the existence of God. They aren't really looking for miracles, they're just out to disprove God's existence by the absence of miracles. If that is you, then there is nothing I can say to convince you otherwise; in fact, Jesus performed miracles himself witnessed by not only his followers, but also by people who were out to disprove his existence such as secular historians and the Judaic scribes, both groups of people saw the miracles, yet refused to believe anyways because they already had their made up their minds, there was no convincing them. I am convinced that if you do not have an open mind to God--if you are only out there to disprove his existence--then even miracles will not convince you, as it did not convince people with closed minds and hard hearts in the past. You've got to have an open mind to the existence of God before you will find proof either way.
Tech, life, family, faith: Give me a visit. I'm currently blogging about: Moral Muscle The apostle Paul, modernly speaking: Epistles of Paul Judah Himango
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Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote:
The fact that everything came from nothing isn't enough for you to believe in God?
Of course not.
Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote:
Who's to say that God didn't create it the big bang way so that our finite and irrational minds (the only mathematical exception - see thread below) can understand and accept it?
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Gary Kirkham wrote:
Why do people find the statement, "God created the heavens and the earth" somehow less believable?
Because it is unbelievable? At least these scientists are examining an event to decipher and explain what happened without dismissing it as the creation of an omnipotent and unseen deity and are putting forward both theories and evidence to support their claims. Where is the tangible, verifiable evidence of your god? www.merrens.com
www.bkmrx.comdigital man wrote:
Where is the tangible, verifiable evidence of your god?
Everywhere! Even the blinds see it! :rose:
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I think we all know who really created the Universe... Universe Creator Couldn't see that one coming, could you? "My dog worries about the economy. Alpo is up to 99 cents a can. That's almost seven dollars in dog money" - Wacky humour found in a business magazine
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DEMON-LOVER!
I always like to give people the benefit of the doubt, so I assume that you are just trying to be funny. If so, put a smiley face after your post and let everyone know. If you are serious, then you need an education in civility and what the grace of God, through the person of Jesus Christ, really means. Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose. - Jim Elliot Me blog, You read
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:laugh:
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13.7 billion years ago, the universe suddenly expanded from the size of a marble to the size of the cosmos in less than a trillionth of a second. Why do people find the statement, "God created the heavens and the earth" somehow less believable? :rolleyes: Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose. - Jim Elliot Me blog, You read
Gary Kirkham wrote:
the universe suddenly expanded from the size of a marble to the size of the cosmos in less than a trillionth of a second
Might I suggest that the universe was always the size of the cosmos. It is just that at one point the cosmos was the size of a marble. ColinMackay.net Scottish Developers are looking for speakers for user group sessions over the next few months. Do you want to know more?
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digital man wrote:
Faith is for the weak of mind:
Spirituality is actually one of the highest functions of the human mind. It is the mind that is devoid of spirituality that is weak.
Troposphere wrote:
Spirituality is actually one of the highest functions of the human mind.
Says you. www.merrens.com
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13.7 billion years ago, the universe suddenly expanded from the size of a marble to the size of the cosmos in less than a trillionth of a second. Why do people find the statement, "God created the heavens and the earth" somehow less believable? :rolleyes: Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose. - Jim Elliot Me blog, You read
Gary Kirkham wrote:
the universe suddenly expanded from the size of a marble to the size of the cosmos
Surely the universe has always been the size of the cosmos? They're the same thing...
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Gary Kirkham wrote:
the universe suddenly expanded from the size of a marble to the size of the cosmos in less than a trillionth of a second
Might I suggest that the universe was always the size of the cosmos. It is just that at one point the cosmos was the size of a marble. ColinMackay.net Scottish Developers are looking for speakers for user group sessions over the next few months. Do you want to know more?
That doesn't make sense logically. The cosmos was the size of a marble, then it expanded to the size of the cosmos? :confused: Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose. - Jim Elliot Me blog, You read
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Using your logic, I can't go into a library and find various books that support an idea, because they are in the same place. The Bible is a compilation of numerous books; the books of Matthew, Mark, Luke, John and Acts all support that Jesus rose from the dead. Five seperate accounts, bound together into a single volume.
Huh? Do you read what you write? I can go into a library and find many books to support a theory. The bible is one book, badly written (try and get it published today) and in which one part (the new testament) uses each segment thereof as a proof that the next segment is the real deal. Does not add up. www.merrens.com
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What kind of proof are you looking for? An early follower of Jesus put it this way: the evidence of God is all around us; we don't need a miraculous, supernatural "God was here!" kind of event to prove him, do we? Is that what you're looking for? If it is, you might be disappointed, because you are not the first to ask for such proof of God:
Later a few scholars and teachers got on him. "Teacher, we want to see your credentials. Give us some hard evidence that God is in this. How about a miracle?" Jesus said, "You're looking for proof, but you're looking for the wrong kind. All you want is something to titillate your curiosity, satisfy your lust for miracles. Because of this, the only proof you're going to get is what looks like the absence of proof.
What I am convinced of is that people who are looking for this kind of proof are out to disprove the existence of God. They aren't really looking for miracles, they're just out to disprove God's existence by the absence of miracles. If that is you, then there is nothing I can say to convince you otherwise; in fact, Jesus performed miracles himself witnessed by not only his followers, but also by people who were out to disprove his existence such as secular historians and the Judaic scribes, both groups of people saw the miracles, yet refused to believe anyways because they already had their made up their minds, there was no convincing them. I am convinced that if you do not have an open mind to God--if you are only out there to disprove his existence--then even miracles will not convince you, as it did not convince people with closed minds and hard hearts in the past. You've got to have an open mind to the existence of God before you will find proof either way.
Tech, life, family, faith: Give me a visit. I'm currently blogging about: Moral Muscle The apostle Paul, modernly speaking: Epistles of Paul Judah Himango
Judah Himango wrote:
What kind of proof are you looking for?
More than the word of a religious man. www.merrens.com
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That doesn't make sense logically. The cosmos was the size of a marble, then it expanded to the size of the cosmos? :confused: Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose. - Jim Elliot Me blog, You read
It's all very self-referential really. Think of it like a method that calls itself. ColinMackay.net Scottish Developers are looking for speakers for user group sessions over the next few months. Do you want to know more?
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Huh? Do you read what you write? I can go into a library and find many books to support a theory. The bible is one book, badly written (try and get it published today) and in which one part (the new testament) uses each segment thereof as a proof that the next segment is the real deal. Does not add up. www.merrens.com
www.bkmrx.comdigital man wrote:
try and get it published today
Uh...It still is published...It's the most published book in history. Besides, there are plenty of other historical accounts that back up the story of Jesus. Ask any reputable history professor. He might not agree that Jesus performed miracles or rose from the dead, but the history is completely consistent with all other historical contexts.
