Mix 06 Final
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Sadly not. Vegas is not the place to meet people you have never seen before. I messed that up big-time and missed Roger at the Mirage. Pissed off with myself for that. I also almost didn't meet David Cunningham. He was about to walk right past me and I only happened to read his name-card in time. So when I go back to that area I'll get down to Buffalo and meet Roger there. regards, Paul Watson Ireland Feed Henry! K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
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Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
Were you able to meet Roger?
Yeah, that'd have been one of the primary points of this whole trip. Regards, Nish
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Well Mix 06 is all wrapped up and I am back in Ireland. Overall the content of the conference was weak. To myself, and all the graphic designers who attended, it was too developer focused and for developers it wasn't technical enough. The conference was billed as a mix up of design and development*, as a bridge between the two groups, but it didn't play out that way at all. Every design session involved code (mainly XAML) which put off designers completely. Many European designers I spoke to also said the designs that were shown as examples of what the tools could produce were rather awful. Then again NASCAR is never going to appeal to the tastes of Europeans and that was the main example used. American designers I spoke to were a bit more favourable about the designs but still often said they were still too techy biased (lots of functionality, very busy but little style or elegance. Much like Vista actually (which is as ugly to use as to look at in screenshots).) What I got out of the conference is that WPF is very capable. Technically it is helluva impressive and I think some very good content could be produced for it. I just hope people do. As a tie-in to this the Windows Media Center system looks great. I see some good opportunities there for creative agencies to get onto IPTV and turn the living room into more than just for-television. Atlas is a good effort by Microsoft but the presentations on it focused too much on using it with ASP.NET and too much on RAD. Lots of drag-and-drop demos which frankly any serious web-dev isn't going to be doing. I wanted to see more in-depth coding dealing with the problems of Ajax and how Atlas can solve them. The "Lessons from the Trenches" talk spoke a lot about the problems and solutions but did not tie Atlas in at all (as it was the Live.com developers talking and they aren't using Atlas yet.) So the conference didn't convince me on Atlas, I'll have to go look at it myself. There wasn't enough on feeds (RSS) though what there was was interesting. WPF/e is nice to have but not going to change the world. IIS7 is looking very good. InfoCard I am hoping will take-off as it is well implemented. The Expression tools could do with more designer input but are on the right track. Two strengths of the conference were the number of non-Microsoft speakers involved and the inclusion of non-Americans. MS went to some effort to allow dissenting views to stand up in front of everyone and have their say. Though Marc Canter really killed one presentation when he was asked about
How does Atlas compare with other AJAX implementations? Is it the most .NET-friendly?
"... This man is obviously a psychotic." "We-he-ell, uh, I'd like to hold off judgement on a thing like that, sir, until all the facts are in." (Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb)
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Sadly not. Vegas is not the place to meet people you have never seen before. I messed that up big-time and missed Roger at the Mirage. Pissed off with myself for that. I also almost didn't meet David Cunningham. He was about to walk right past me and I only happened to read his name-card in time. So when I go back to that area I'll get down to Buffalo and meet Roger there. regards, Paul Watson Ireland Feed Henry! K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
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Sadly not.
:omg: That's bad! Regards, Nish
Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
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How does Atlas compare with other AJAX implementations? Is it the most .NET-friendly?
"... This man is obviously a psychotic." "We-he-ell, uh, I'd like to hold off judgement on a thing like that, sir, until all the facts are in." (Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb)
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Oh absolutely the most .NET friendly, no doubt there. If you have Visual Studio and some web-services you can drag-and-drop your way to an Ajax app without any hassles. Compared to other Ajax implementations I cannot answer properly yet as I haven't used Atlas much. It does look good though. It abstracts out cross-browser problems, includes caching and batch operations. Also one thing they stressed is that Atlas can be used with any server technology. Atlas is completely client-side and not ASP.NET specific, which is great. But there is more tool and control support if you are using ASP.NET of course. regards, Paul Watson Ireland Feed Henry! K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
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Well Mix 06 is all wrapped up and I am back in Ireland. Overall the content of the conference was weak. To myself, and all the graphic designers who attended, it was too developer focused and for developers it wasn't technical enough. The conference was billed as a mix up of design and development*, as a bridge between the two groups, but it didn't play out that way at all. Every design session involved code (mainly XAML) which put off designers completely. Many European designers I spoke to also said the designs that were shown as examples of what the tools could produce were rather awful. Then again NASCAR is never going to appeal to the tastes of Europeans and that was the main example used. American designers I spoke to were a bit more favourable about the designs but still often said they were still too techy biased (lots of functionality, very busy but little style or elegance. Much like Vista actually (which is as ugly to use as to look at in screenshots).) What I got out of the conference is that WPF is very capable. Technically it is helluva impressive and I think some very good content could be produced for it. I just hope people do. As a tie-in to this the Windows Media Center system looks great. I see some good opportunities there for creative agencies to get onto IPTV and turn the living room into more than just for-television. Atlas is a good effort by Microsoft but the presentations on it focused too much on using it with ASP.NET and too much on RAD. Lots of drag-and-drop demos which frankly any serious web-dev isn't going to be doing. I wanted to see more in-depth coding dealing with the problems of Ajax and how Atlas can solve them. The "Lessons from the Trenches" talk spoke a lot about the problems and solutions but did not tie Atlas in at all (as it was the Live.com developers talking and they aren't using Atlas yet.) So the conference didn't convince me on Atlas, I'll have to go look at it myself. There wasn't enough on feeds (RSS) though what there was was interesting. WPF/e is nice to have but not going to change the world. IIS7 is looking very good. InfoCard I am hoping will take-off as it is well implemented. The Expression tools could do with more designer input but are on the right track. Two strengths of the conference were the number of non-Microsoft speakers involved and the inclusion of non-Americans. MS went to some effort to allow dissenting views to stand up in front of everyone and have their say. Though Marc Canter really killed one presentation when he was asked about
Paul Watson wrote:
I found the biggest benefit of the conference came from outside of the talks. Speaking to developers and managers on various Microsoft teams was really good (chaps like Scott Guthrie for instance.) Also talking to non-Microsoft people from all over the world all there to further the web and see where Microsoft is going was good. Oh, and the conference party was a blast.
That's the only reason to go to things like this. I've always found the talks never hit my technical level, either too simple or over my head. But the making contacts bit is always worth it. Michael CP Blog [^] Development Blog [^]
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Well Mix 06 is all wrapped up and I am back in Ireland. Overall the content of the conference was weak. To myself, and all the graphic designers who attended, it was too developer focused and for developers it wasn't technical enough. The conference was billed as a mix up of design and development*, as a bridge between the two groups, but it didn't play out that way at all. Every design session involved code (mainly XAML) which put off designers completely. Many European designers I spoke to also said the designs that were shown as examples of what the tools could produce were rather awful. Then again NASCAR is never going to appeal to the tastes of Europeans and that was the main example used. American designers I spoke to were a bit more favourable about the designs but still often said they were still too techy biased (lots of functionality, very busy but little style or elegance. Much like Vista actually (which is as ugly to use as to look at in screenshots).) What I got out of the conference is that WPF is very capable. Technically it is helluva impressive and I think some very good content could be produced for it. I just hope people do. As a tie-in to this the Windows Media Center system looks great. I see some good opportunities there for creative agencies to get onto IPTV and turn the living room into more than just for-television. Atlas is a good effort by Microsoft but the presentations on it focused too much on using it with ASP.NET and too much on RAD. Lots of drag-and-drop demos which frankly any serious web-dev isn't going to be doing. I wanted to see more in-depth coding dealing with the problems of Ajax and how Atlas can solve them. The "Lessons from the Trenches" talk spoke a lot about the problems and solutions but did not tie Atlas in at all (as it was the Live.com developers talking and they aren't using Atlas yet.) So the conference didn't convince me on Atlas, I'll have to go look at it myself. There wasn't enough on feeds (RSS) though what there was was interesting. WPF/e is nice to have but not going to change the world. IIS7 is looking very good. InfoCard I am hoping will take-off as it is well implemented. The Expression tools could do with more designer input but are on the right track. Two strengths of the conference were the number of non-Microsoft speakers involved and the inclusion of non-Americans. MS went to some effort to allow dissenting views to stand up in front of everyone and have their say. Though Marc Canter really killed one presentation when he was asked about
I'm sorry to hear that, but not surprised. Most Microsoft events I've attended have been weak, but I always assumed that was because I only attend the free ones. They invariably try to cover too much in too little detail, or (rarely) provide information that is too detailed and specific for a generalist to absorb. Maybe it would be smart for them to include a cadre of customers - beta testers, MSDN subscribers, and such - in the planning and content development for their technical events. That would help in targeting the material for a level that most attendees who live in the real world will appreciate. "...a photo album is like Life, but flat and stuck to pages." - Shog9
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Sadly not. Vegas is not the place to meet people you have never seen before. I messed that up big-time and missed Roger at the Mirage. Pissed off with myself for that. I also almost didn't meet David Cunningham. He was about to walk right past me and I only happened to read his name-card in time. So when I go back to that area I'll get down to Buffalo and meet Roger there. regards, Paul Watson Ireland Feed Henry! K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
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doI've learned two things from cockups that involved me driving hundreds of miles to meet CPians - don't depend on cell phones for contact, and don't plan to meet in a place neither of you knows well. There must be a well defined meeting place and time, preferably a place that is well marked, and there should be a backup plan in case the first meet doesn't come off. I was 15 minutes late because I didn't expect it to take 35 minutes to drive the last 3 blocks on a Monday night. These things happen, and should be planned for in advance. See ya next time...;) "...a photo album is like Life, but flat and stuck to pages." - Shog9
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I've learned two things from cockups that involved me driving hundreds of miles to meet CPians - don't depend on cell phones for contact, and don't plan to meet in a place neither of you knows well. There must be a well defined meeting place and time, preferably a place that is well marked, and there should be a backup plan in case the first meet doesn't come off. I was 15 minutes late because I didn't expect it to take 35 minutes to drive the last 3 blocks on a Monday night. These things happen, and should be planned for in advance. See ya next time...;) "...a photo album is like Life, but flat and stuck to pages." - Shog9
Your reliability rate for meeting a CPian is still zero. ;)
My Blog -- modified at 9:43 Friday 24th March, 2006
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Your reliability rate for meeting a CPian is still zero. ;)
My Blog -- modified at 9:43 Friday 24th March, 2006
In this case it was all my fault regards, Paul Watson Ireland Feed Henry! K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
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I've learned two things from cockups that involved me driving hundreds of miles to meet CPians - don't depend on cell phones for contact, and don't plan to meet in a place neither of you knows well. There must be a well defined meeting place and time, preferably a place that is well marked, and there should be a backup plan in case the first meet doesn't come off. I was 15 minutes late because I didn't expect it to take 35 minutes to drive the last 3 blocks on a Monday night. These things happen, and should be planned for in advance. See ya next time...;) "...a photo album is like Life, but flat and stuck to pages." - Shog9
I'll second that opinion, Roger. Sorry I missed you, Paul. Didn't get your text until Wednesday. The Blue Man Group was fantastic, but the conference was, as you have so aptly said it, weak on content.
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Your reliability rate for meeting a CPian is still zero. ;)
My Blog -- modified at 9:43 Friday 24th March, 2006
Not for lack of effort, though... "...a photo album is like Life, but flat and stuck to pages." - Shog9