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It's the annual seal harvest. We wouldn't be doing it if there wasn't an international demand for seal products. Personally, I am totally opposed to it. I think it's cruel and unnecessary. But somebody somewhere is creating a market for demand so it will continue until it is no longer profitable. The main market is for furs. Largest importers are Norway, Germany, Greenland, and China. Other importing countries include Finland, Denmark, France, Hong Kong, Greece, South Korea, and Russia. So you can see the problem in stopping it. Bash Canada, sure. The men doing it live in very poor northern communities. The hunt is a source of income to a depressed area. If it's going to stop, then international demand has to stop. The demand is purely vanity driven. BTW: It's not just Canada. Other nations include: Norway, Greenland, Russia and Namibia.
thealj wrote:
It's the annual seal harvest.
Why not at least make it so that the seals are put to rest peacefully? Add whatever cost it takes to get the seals peacefully as an expense of doing business. I think killing animals for vanity is stupid, but that video is just inhumane.
thealj wrote:
Bash Canada, sure.
I'm not, but I will bash the men (and people like them) in that video.
thealj wrote:
The hunt is a source of income to a depressed area.
Hard times show the true measure of a man. Obviously these men are weak people. Jeremy Falcon
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
I just don't see how people can get a kick out of beating an animal senseless for no reason at all.
Not that I agree with it, but it's for the annual seal hunt. These aren't people amusing themselves on the weekend.
thealj wrote:
These aren't people amusing themselves on the weekend.
Well you'd think they'd at least bother to find a decent way to get the seals. Jeremy Falcon
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No excuse. Seal hunt[^] EDIT: I don't hate Canadians. I think that Canadian governement should forbid that kind of "economic activity". ___________________________________ Tozzi is right: Gaia is getting rid of us. My Blog [ITA] -- modified at 14:48 Tuesday 28th March, 2006
Note that I don't say "I hate Canadians". The government should forbid that massacre. ___________________________________ Tozzi is right: Gaia is getting rid of us. My Blog [ITA]
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thealj wrote:
It's the annual seal harvest.
Why not at least make it so that the seals are put to rest peacefully? Add whatever cost it takes to get the seals peacefully as an expense of doing business. I think killing animals for vanity is stupid, but that video is just inhumane.
thealj wrote:
Bash Canada, sure.
I'm not, but I will bash the men (and people like them) in that video.
thealj wrote:
The hunt is a source of income to a depressed area.
Hard times show the true measure of a man. Obviously these men are weak people. Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Why not at least make it so that the seals are put to rest peacefully?
What other method do you suggest? Shooting them is not as effective for the same reasons that slaughterhouses do not use bullets to kill cows. Blunt force trauma to the head is the most effective method.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Hard times show the true measure of a man. Obviously these men are weak people.
Actually, I disagree with that, even though I am opposed to the hunt. They are poor fisherman with no other source of income. The population of seals is in the range of 5 million+ and threatens some of the fishery stocks as well. The official government statement can be found here: Seal hunt[^].
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Note that I don't say "I hate Canadians". The government should forbid that massacre. ___________________________________ Tozzi is right: Gaia is getting rid of us. My Blog [ITA]
Dario Solera wrote:
Note that I don't say "I hate Canadians".
True. Althought it was hard to tell at first with no description or nothing relating to the video in your post.
Dario Solera wrote:
The government should forbid that massacre.
Maybe I'm crazy, but I think that beating them like that is not the way to go about doing things. Jeremy Falcon
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No excuse. Seal hunt[^] EDIT: I don't hate Canadians. I think that Canadian governement should forbid that kind of "economic activity". ___________________________________ Tozzi is right: Gaia is getting rid of us. My Blog [ITA] -- modified at 14:48 Tuesday 28th March, 2006
In this regard, Canada and Norway are very similar. :sigh: I can understand that the northern communities need to earn money some way, but do they have to be so friggin brutal!? There's gotta be less medieval ways of killing a seal.
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
I just don't see how people can get a kick out of beating an animal senseless for no reason at all.
Not that I agree with it, but it's for the annual seal hunt. These aren't people amusing themselves on the weekend.
thealj wrote:
These aren't people amusing themselves on the weekend.
I hope so. Anyway, there are lots of ways to kill animals without make them suffer. For example the way that's used for cows (a nail in the skull -> istantaneous death). So, what is the seal's leather used for? Coats? :~ ___________________________________ Tozzi is right: Gaia is getting rid of us. My Blog [ITA]
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It's the annual seal harvest. We wouldn't be doing it if there wasn't an international demand for seal products. Personally, I am totally opposed to it. I think it's cruel and unnecessary. But somebody somewhere is creating a market for demand so it will continue until it is no longer profitable. The main market is for furs. Largest importers are Norway, Germany, Greenland, and China. Other importing countries include Finland, Denmark, France, Hong Kong, Greece, South Korea, and Russia. So you can see the problem in stopping it. Bash Canada, sure. The men doing it live in very poor northern communities. The hunt is a source of income to a depressed area. If it's going to stop, then international demand has to stop. The demand is purely vanity driven. BTW: It's not just Canada. Other nations include: Norway, Greenland, Russia and Namibia.
thealj wrote:
Largest importers are Norway
Aren't they exporters of seal stuff!? They kill seals just like these Canadians.
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Why not at least make it so that the seals are put to rest peacefully?
What other method do you suggest? Shooting them is not as effective for the same reasons that slaughterhouses do not use bullets to kill cows. Blunt force trauma to the head is the most effective method.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Hard times show the true measure of a man. Obviously these men are weak people.
Actually, I disagree with that, even though I am opposed to the hunt. They are poor fisherman with no other source of income. The population of seals is in the range of 5 million+ and threatens some of the fishery stocks as well. The official government statement can be found here: Seal hunt[^].
thealj wrote:
What other method do you suggest?
I don't know, as I haven't studied the subject much. But, I bet you there is a better way if they'd bother to find it.
thealj wrote:
They are poor fisherman with no other source of income. The population of seals is in the range of 5 million+ and threatens some of the fishery stocks as well.
That's not my point. The point was they are weak men to resort to such brutality. It's about having standards and some lines you don't cross just because you're poor. Jeremy Falcon
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Note that I don't say "I hate Canadians". The government should forbid that massacre. ___________________________________ Tozzi is right: Gaia is getting rid of us. My Blog [ITA]
Dario Solera wrote:
Note that I don't say "I hate Canadians".
:)
Dario Solera wrote:
The government should forbid that massacre.
Yeah, it's not pretty, but it's driven by an international demand for the fur. Mostly for use in fashion. Better to blame the people who create the market for the fur than the people doing the killing. No demand, no hunt.
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In this regard, Canada and Norway are very similar. :sigh: I can understand that the northern communities need to earn money some way, but do they have to be so friggin brutal!? There's gotta be less medieval ways of killing a seal.
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
There's gotta be less medieval ways of killing a seal.
Apparently not. They do the same to cows in a slaughterhouse. According to research it is the most effective way and more efficient than a bullet. :sigh:
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thealj wrote:
These aren't people amusing themselves on the weekend.
I hope so. Anyway, there are lots of ways to kill animals without make them suffer. For example the way that's used for cows (a nail in the skull -> istantaneous death). So, what is the seal's leather used for? Coats? :~ ___________________________________ Tozzi is right: Gaia is getting rid of us. My Blog [ITA]
Dario Solera wrote:
For example the way that's used for cows (a nail in the skull -> istantaneous death).
That is essentially what they are trying to accomplish with the picks.
Dario Solera wrote:
So, what is the seal's leather used for? Coats?
Sadly, yes.
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Dario Solera wrote:
For example the way that's used for cows (a nail in the skull -> istantaneous death).
That is essentially what they are trying to accomplish with the picks.
Dario Solera wrote:
So, what is the seal's leather used for? Coats?
Sadly, yes.
thealj wrote:
That is essentially what they are trying to accomplish with the picks.
Not according to that video. They were using the blunt side and beating them to death. Jeremy Falcon
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thealj wrote:
What other method do you suggest?
I don't know, as I haven't studied the subject much. But, I bet you there is a better way if they'd bother to find it.
thealj wrote:
They are poor fisherman with no other source of income. The population of seals is in the range of 5 million+ and threatens some of the fishery stocks as well.
That's not my point. The point was they are weak men to resort to such brutality. It's about having standards and some lines you don't cross just because you're poor. Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
I don't know, as I haven't studied the subject much. But, I bet you there is a better way if they'd bother to find it.
Yes, I agree with you.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
That's not my point. The point was they are weak men to resort to such brutality. It's about having standards and some lines you don't cross just because you're poor.
Oh, I agree. But a family to feed and the desire for money is a strong incentive.
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
There's gotta be less medieval ways of killing a seal.
Apparently not. They do the same to cows in a slaughterhouse. According to research it is the most effective way and more efficient than a bullet. :sigh:
thealj wrote:
According to research it is the most effective way and more efficient than a bullet.
Let us all kneel to Mammon. :sigh:
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Dario Solera wrote:
Note that I don't say "I hate Canadians".
True. Althought it was hard to tell at first with no description or nothing relating to the video in your post.
Dario Solera wrote:
The government should forbid that massacre.
Maybe I'm crazy, but I think that beating them like that is not the way to go about doing things. Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
True. Althought it was hard to tell at first with no description or nothing relating to the video in your post.
Sorry. I was really upset...
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Maybe I'm crazy, but I think that beating them like that is not the way to go about doing things.
It is. I've seen many other videos with other animals (even dogs), used for coats. All of them beaten like them and de-skinned (don't know the word) alive. Many of them are still alive when the "operators" throw them in the rubbish. They keep trying to escape, all of them without legs. Here is another "movie": fur[^] ___________________________________ Tozzi is right: Gaia is getting rid of us. My Blog [ITA]
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thealj wrote:
Largest importers are Norway
Aren't they exporters of seal stuff!? They kill seals just like these Canadians.
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
Aren't they exporters of seal stuff!? They kill seals just like these Canadians.
Yes, Norway exports also. But if you read the Canadian government reports, we also export to Norway. :confused:
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No excuse. Seal hunt[^] EDIT: I don't hate Canadians. I think that Canadian governement should forbid that kind of "economic activity". ___________________________________ Tozzi is right: Gaia is getting rid of us. My Blog [ITA] -- modified at 14:48 Tuesday 28th March, 2006
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Dario Solera wrote:
Note that I don't say "I hate Canadians".
:)
Dario Solera wrote:
The government should forbid that massacre.
Yeah, it's not pretty, but it's driven by an international demand for the fur. Mostly for use in fashion. Better to blame the people who create the market for the fur than the people doing the killing. No demand, no hunt.
thealj wrote:
No demand, no hunt.
Maybe. :) ___________________________________ Tozzi is right: Gaia is getting rid of us. My Blog [ITA]
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Pumk1nh3ad wrote:
because it is a sport there
No it's not.
Perhaps not, but that was my understanding of it...