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That's weird... :wtf:
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Paul Watson wrote:
Anyone else think the last few years of 3D video cards have been a bit confusing?
I absolutely agree 100%. I got my first 3D card back in January of '97 [edit: not '07 :doh:]... the legendary 3DFX Voodoo for my top of the line 200MHz Pentium Pro. I then started buying the newest cards when they came out... the Voodoo 2, followed shortly by a second Voodoo 2 for SLI action--that was about $450 for my video card setup alone. I then bought the Voodoo 3 when it came out (that was a mistake), shortly followed by my conversion to nVidia when I got the GeForce 2 GTS. After that I got married (and I played only Everquest for years, which tempered my "need" a bit), but eventually I got a GeForce 4 Ti4200 with 128MB RAM, my first upgrade that wasn't ridiculously expensive. That's still the card I use. My wife got me an Xbox after that, and I haven't worried about PC gaming since. It's easier on the wallet (especially if you buy used games almost exclusively)... I can't believe I'm a console gamer now after years of PC snobbery. But it's so nice to buy a game and not worry if my setup is beefy enough to handle it, or to have a new game work but make me wonder how it would perform if I upgraded my video card. Xbox Live made the switch possible. Still, I've found myself browsing the PC game racks a little more longingly at Best Buy lately... sigh. Must... not... give in... -- modified at 8:20 Thursday 30th March, 2006
David Kentley wrote:
Must... not... give in...
:wtf::omg: You will put me out of a job!!! :wtf::omg: upgrade your 3D every generation, you'll keep me gainfully employed in the 3D market. :rolleyes: _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Nic Rowan wrote:
I just cant be bothered. I got a ps2 and a TV instead.
Only in the past several months have I really appreciated the consoles. You just buy a box and it works (though good old Microsoft muddied things a bit with the different Xbox 360 versions. What is with Microsoft and different versions lately?) Still, I'd want a console with a mouse and a keyboard for the kind of games I like to play. regards, Paul Watson Ireland Feed Henry! K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
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What is with Microsoft and different versions lately?
They don't want to appear communist. If you make one version for everyone it makes you look like a Red.
Paul Watson wrote:
Still, I'd want a console with a mouse and a keyboard for the kind of games I like to play.
Ya that's also true. You just can't play first person shooters or strategy games without a mouse and keyboard. I can't even imagine trying to play a simulator on a console.
"Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra and then suddenly it flips over, pinning you underneath. At night, the ice weasels come." I refuse to spend my life worrying about what I eat. There is no pleasure worth foregoing just for an extra three years in a geriatric ward.
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Anyone else think the last few years of 3D video cards have been a bit confusing? I honestly have no clue any longer what video card is good and which one is needed for game X, Y or Z. Back in Star Control days all you worried about was your CPU and your RAM. A better 2D video card did help but if you didn't have a great one the game still worked fine. Now though if you don't have a specific video card you might not be able to play the game no matter how good your CPU is or how much RAM you have. In other cases half of the visual delight that made you buy the game is disabled because you don't have a video card that isn't actually released yet. Even though the rest of your machine is a quad P4 4Ghz with 32Gb of RAM. Even the amount of RAM on a 3d card is not an indicator of how good it is or what games will work with it. All the confusing chipsets with their different capabilities and features. Frankly I have stopped buying games because I can never be sure it will work on my laptop (a P4 3.2Ghz 1Gb RAM but with a weak video card). I just want a nice, clear way of knowing if a game will work well or not. Minimum requirements don't help as a: they are a minimum and mean that the game will play but at 2FPS with all features turned off and b: the video chipset mentioned I have never even heard of never mind understood. A model 3 shader card? WTF? We need to go back to good old voxels. They were the solution to everything ;) regards, Paul Watson Ireland Feed Henry! K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
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Anyone else think the last few years of 3D video cards have been a bit confusing?
I couldn't agree more. Even the numbering on the cards is all messed up since apparently a ATI Radeon X800 is better than a X1200? WTF? Can't they just put the numbers in order so you know that a lower number isn't as good as a higher number? And I have no idea what the equivalents are from nVidia. It's a total mess. And CPU aren't much better either! I just ordered an X800XL to upgrade my X300SE because I'm intending to buy Oblivion this weekend.
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Paul Watson wrote:
Back in Star Control days
Holy cow! I can't believe I missed that line. Star Control 2 was the best game EVER! I still have it on 5 1/4 inch floppies (real floppies, not these newfangled 3 1/2 inch "stiffies") somewhere. p.s. I haven't forgotten about sending you the South Africa vs. Australia cricket match! I've just been so busy I haven't been able to get them from my friend. I think we only have the SA innings though..
"Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra and then suddenly it flips over, pinning you underneath. At night, the ice weasels come." I refuse to spend my life worrying about what I eat. There is no pleasure worth foregoing just for an extra three years in a geriatric ward.
Nic Rowan wrote:
Star Control 2 was the best game EVER!
Melee! regards, Paul Watson Ireland Feed Henry! K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
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I think you can use usb mouse/keayboard on the ps2.....might try it tonight again. 'Out of Office Auto Reply' The email server is unable to verify your server connection and is unable to deliver this mesage. Please restart your computer and try sending again. '(The beauty of this is that when you return, you can see how many in-du-viduals did this over and over).
Performance on those types of things is flaky at best. You can't usually use them to PLAY the game. Just to do things like enter your name:sigh: ------------------------------------- Do not do what has already been done. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.. but it ROCKS absolutely, too.
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Paul Watson wrote:
What is with Microsoft and different versions lately?
They don't want to appear communist. If you make one version for everyone it makes you look like a Red.
Paul Watson wrote:
Still, I'd want a console with a mouse and a keyboard for the kind of games I like to play.
Ya that's also true. You just can't play first person shooters or strategy games without a mouse and keyboard. I can't even imagine trying to play a simulator on a console.
"Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra and then suddenly it flips over, pinning you underneath. At night, the ice weasels come." I refuse to spend my life worrying about what I eat. There is no pleasure worth foregoing just for an extra three years in a geriatric ward.
Nic Rowan wrote:
You just can't play first person shooters or strategy games without a mouse and keyboard
Not true. People play Halo all day everyday on the old GRANDE controller and never have an issue. I used to think this way too but it's just a matter of teaching your mind to let go of the keyboard, something I know is hard for us programmers to do:-D ------------------------------------- Do not do what has already been done. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.. but it ROCKS absolutely, too.
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Nic Rowan wrote:
I just cant be bothered. I got a ps2 and a TV instead.
Only in the past several months have I really appreciated the consoles. You just buy a box and it works (though good old Microsoft muddied things a bit with the different Xbox 360 versions. What is with Microsoft and different versions lately?) Still, I'd want a console with a mouse and a keyboard for the kind of games I like to play. regards, Paul Watson Ireland Feed Henry! K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
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doYour posting style really steals my attention. :)
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Your posting style really steals my attention. :)
You mean how I use and change the subject line as it should be? regards, Paul Watson Ireland Feed Henry! K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
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You mean how I use and change the subject line as it should be? regards, Paul Watson Ireland Feed Henry! K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
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doExactly. Sometimes when a page has just loaded, I automatically click on the link, as if it was calling for me, and I have to see what's inside the post. :-D
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Exactly. Sometimes when a page has just loaded, I automatically click on the link, as if it was calling for me, and I have to see what's inside the post. :-D
heh regards, Paul Watson Ireland Feed Henry! K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
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heh regards, Paul Watson Ireland Feed Henry! K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
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All hail Shog9 from outer space, Master Worker of Poor Sods. regards, Paul Watson Ireland Feed Henry! K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
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evilnoodle wrote:
i'd suggest less RAM,
Less RAM, are you nuts? :) I would say 1GB is the minimum these days, especially if you want to play games. Go for 2GB if you can. But yeah, video card is the most important.
In a lot of systems fully populating all the memory slots causes the memory to run at a signifigantly slower speed but I believe his system is an amd64 variant that does not have this problem. John
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Paul Watson wrote:
Anyone else think the last few years of 3D video cards have been a bit confusing?
I couldn't agree more. Even the numbering on the cards is all messed up since apparently a ATI Radeon X800 is better than a X1200? WTF? Can't they just put the numbers in order so you know that a lower number isn't as good as a higher number? And I have no idea what the equivalents are from nVidia. It's a total mess. And CPU aren't much better either! I just ordered an X800XL to upgrade my X300SE because I'm intending to buy Oblivion this weekend.
Wjousts wrote:
Can't they just put the numbers in order so you know that a lower number isn't as good as a higher number?
Numbers only help when you go "faster" when you have different operational capability, the result is much more difficult. But even ATI and nVidia can't really decide on a standard because they keep shifting the holes around while trying to find niches that cut into the other's profit. As I mentioned elswhere... simply use a comparison site like www.nvnews.net[^] This way you don't have to learn what the differences are, use the multiple benchmarks from various sources to find out what works for you. :) and if you want to learn, they often have articles on the changes. Think codeproject for graphics cards (with a slight lean to nVidia, as much as codeproject leans to Microsoft). ;) _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Nic Rowan wrote:
You just can't play first person shooters or strategy games without a mouse and keyboard
Not true. People play Halo all day everyday on the old GRANDE controller and never have an issue. I used to think this way too but it's just a matter of teaching your mind to let go of the keyboard, something I know is hard for us programmers to do:-D ------------------------------------- Do not do what has already been done. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.. but it ROCKS absolutely, too.
Nicholas Wigant wrote:
it's just a matter of teaching your mind to let go of the keyboard
It's not the lack keyboard that's the biggest problem, it's the lack of a mouse. Let's face it - even the worst mice used on PCs are generally much more precise than the best analog stick controllers. Sure you can get used to it, but to me it sorta takes the fun out of exploring a big virtual world when the effort it takes to focus in on a tiny part of it reaches a certain threshold. Then again, once you stopped shooting and started looking around, Halo got really boring. So maybe it all works out...
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I just bought and installed Oblivion from Bethesda softwoks, and that's too damn slow... even with minimum resolution I can't play.... On the other hand this year I want to avoid expense as much as I could... I would need an hint on what I should improve in my computer to get decent performance. I have: AMD Sempron 2800+ 1Gb RAM 1.61GHz GeForce FX5200 with 128MB Now I am thinking if I upgrade just my video card, should that bring considerable change?
upgrade your GeForce FX5200 to at minimum 5500. The 5200 does not support some of the new shading. My Programming Library /* You are not expected to understand this */
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All hail Shog9 from outer space, Master Worker of Poor Sods. regards, Paul Watson Ireland Feed Henry! K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
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Worker of Poor Sods
Why do you keep calling Shog9 a shovel? :rolleyes:
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Paul Watson wrote:
Worker of Poor Sods
Why do you keep calling Shog9 a shovel? :rolleyes:
Software Zen:
delete this;Because he isn't a spader ;) regards, Paul Watson Ireland Feed Henry! K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
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In a lot of systems fully populating all the memory slots causes the memory to run at a signifigantly slower speed but I believe his system is an amd64 variant that does not have this problem. John
John M. Drescher wrote:
In a lot of systems fully populating all the memory slots causes the memory to run at a signifigantly slower speed but I believe his system is an amd64 variant that does not have this problem.
I didn't think that was a problem since Windows 3.1 days...