WSAD sucks! [edited]
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[edit] WSAD is Websphere Studio Application Developer [/edit] I'm now working on a Java product, and WSAD is driving me insane. It costs thousands of dollars and can't even paste code properly. X| 1. Copy a block of indented code, and paste it elsewhere at the same level of indentation. The pasted code looks horrible, and the indentation goes haywire. :mad: 2. The Intellisense-thingie works at times, but not always. Mostly, it doesn't work. If I type in "System." and wait for 2 seconds (yeah, right - I could very well type "out" in that time), it shows me "out". After typing "System.out." nothing happens, however long you wait. :mad: 3. Creating a new project is *very* unintuitive. I had somebody who works in Java import the files for me before I got started. In VS .NET, all you have to do is double-click the .sln file#. 4. If you have a file open, there is no way to say where it is on the file system. At least, no way that I know of. If I hover over the filename tab, I get a relative path, which is pretty much useless because it is relative to the project, not to the hard disk. :| And don't even get me started on the Java coding convention. { on the same line as the if/for/method header, else on the same line as the if's terminating }, and catch on the same line as the try's terminating }. Sheesh! X| Are they still still stuck in the 80x25 DOS world, where a few new line characters will add to the file size and stuff their hard disks? We have HDs with 100s of GB and monitors that support a bajillion pixels. Be proud of your code, and space it out; don't cramp it. There are some cool things, like support for refactoring (I know VS 2005 has them, but this is WSAD 5.1 from 2003) and generating get/set methods, but on the whole, it's a major pain to work with. And I've barely started with this thing. [shudder] # Yes, I know about that "Project files cannot be dropped on to Visual Studio" feature. I'm just waiting to get my hands on the guy who wrote that part. :| Cheers, Vikram.
I don't know and you don't either. Militant Agnostic
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[edit] WSAD is Websphere Studio Application Developer [/edit] I'm now working on a Java product, and WSAD is driving me insane. It costs thousands of dollars and can't even paste code properly. X| 1. Copy a block of indented code, and paste it elsewhere at the same level of indentation. The pasted code looks horrible, and the indentation goes haywire. :mad: 2. The Intellisense-thingie works at times, but not always. Mostly, it doesn't work. If I type in "System." and wait for 2 seconds (yeah, right - I could very well type "out" in that time), it shows me "out". After typing "System.out." nothing happens, however long you wait. :mad: 3. Creating a new project is *very* unintuitive. I had somebody who works in Java import the files for me before I got started. In VS .NET, all you have to do is double-click the .sln file#. 4. If you have a file open, there is no way to say where it is on the file system. At least, no way that I know of. If I hover over the filename tab, I get a relative path, which is pretty much useless because it is relative to the project, not to the hard disk. :| And don't even get me started on the Java coding convention. { on the same line as the if/for/method header, else on the same line as the if's terminating }, and catch on the same line as the try's terminating }. Sheesh! X| Are they still still stuck in the 80x25 DOS world, where a few new line characters will add to the file size and stuff their hard disks? We have HDs with 100s of GB and monitors that support a bajillion pixels. Be proud of your code, and space it out; don't cramp it. There are some cool things, like support for refactoring (I know VS 2005 has them, but this is WSAD 5.1 from 2003) and generating get/set methods, but on the whole, it's a major pain to work with. And I've barely started with this thing. [shudder] # Yes, I know about that "Project files cannot be dropped on to Visual Studio" feature. I'm just waiting to get my hands on the guy who wrote that part. :| Cheers, Vikram.
I don't know and you don't either. Militant Agnostic
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What's WSAD? I thought from the subject that you were complaining about FPS keyboard controls! :sigh: -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit! Buzzwords!
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[edit] WSAD is Websphere Studio Application Developer [/edit] I'm now working on a Java product, and WSAD is driving me insane. It costs thousands of dollars and can't even paste code properly. X| 1. Copy a block of indented code, and paste it elsewhere at the same level of indentation. The pasted code looks horrible, and the indentation goes haywire. :mad: 2. The Intellisense-thingie works at times, but not always. Mostly, it doesn't work. If I type in "System." and wait for 2 seconds (yeah, right - I could very well type "out" in that time), it shows me "out". After typing "System.out." nothing happens, however long you wait. :mad: 3. Creating a new project is *very* unintuitive. I had somebody who works in Java import the files for me before I got started. In VS .NET, all you have to do is double-click the .sln file#. 4. If you have a file open, there is no way to say where it is on the file system. At least, no way that I know of. If I hover over the filename tab, I get a relative path, which is pretty much useless because it is relative to the project, not to the hard disk. :| And don't even get me started on the Java coding convention. { on the same line as the if/for/method header, else on the same line as the if's terminating }, and catch on the same line as the try's terminating }. Sheesh! X| Are they still still stuck in the 80x25 DOS world, where a few new line characters will add to the file size and stuff their hard disks? We have HDs with 100s of GB and monitors that support a bajillion pixels. Be proud of your code, and space it out; don't cramp it. There are some cool things, like support for refactoring (I know VS 2005 has them, but this is WSAD 5.1 from 2003) and generating get/set methods, but on the whole, it's a major pain to work with. And I've barely started with this thing. [shudder] # Yes, I know about that "Project files cannot be dropped on to Visual Studio" feature. I'm just waiting to get my hands on the guy who wrote that part. :| Cheers, Vikram.
I don't know and you don't either. Militant Agnostic
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all the problems you're describing ar not websphere problems (websphere is actually the Application server) but GUI ones, and the GUI is eclipse. simply update the version of eclipse. lastest version 3.1.2 is very much more efficient than the one provided within WSAD. moreover, you can edite the template / autoformat code so that you modify the setting (for instance, the { } you can't deal with) the way you like (which is a thing Visual Studio doesn't have !) intellisence has been performed in v3.1.2 ; now, it's much faster... and if it doesn't find the symbol you're lookiong at, it's because you didn't set the right project dependencies. and for the projects imports, the task has been eased : you can import all the projects of a project folder (looked recursively)... one last thing : if you want to have the absolute path of your file on the disk, right click on it on the package explorer, go to the properties, and spot the field "Location".
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[edit] WSAD is Websphere Studio Application Developer [/edit] I'm now working on a Java product, and WSAD is driving me insane. It costs thousands of dollars and can't even paste code properly. X| 1. Copy a block of indented code, and paste it elsewhere at the same level of indentation. The pasted code looks horrible, and the indentation goes haywire. :mad: 2. The Intellisense-thingie works at times, but not always. Mostly, it doesn't work. If I type in "System." and wait for 2 seconds (yeah, right - I could very well type "out" in that time), it shows me "out". After typing "System.out." nothing happens, however long you wait. :mad: 3. Creating a new project is *very* unintuitive. I had somebody who works in Java import the files for me before I got started. In VS .NET, all you have to do is double-click the .sln file#. 4. If you have a file open, there is no way to say where it is on the file system. At least, no way that I know of. If I hover over the filename tab, I get a relative path, which is pretty much useless because it is relative to the project, not to the hard disk. :| And don't even get me started on the Java coding convention. { on the same line as the if/for/method header, else on the same line as the if's terminating }, and catch on the same line as the try's terminating }. Sheesh! X| Are they still still stuck in the 80x25 DOS world, where a few new line characters will add to the file size and stuff their hard disks? We have HDs with 100s of GB and monitors that support a bajillion pixels. Be proud of your code, and space it out; don't cramp it. There are some cool things, like support for refactoring (I know VS 2005 has them, but this is WSAD 5.1 from 2003) and generating get/set methods, but on the whole, it's a major pain to work with. And I've barely started with this thing. [shudder] # Yes, I know about that "Project files cannot be dropped on to Visual Studio" feature. I'm just waiting to get my hands on the guy who wrote that part. :| Cheers, Vikram.
I don't know and you don't either. Militant Agnostic
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What's WSAD? I thought from the subject that you were complaining about FPS keyboard controls! :sigh: -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit! Buzzwords!
Web Sphere Application Developer. WebSphere is IBM's EJB container offerring.
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[edit] WSAD is Websphere Studio Application Developer [/edit] I'm now working on a Java product, and WSAD is driving me insane. It costs thousands of dollars and can't even paste code properly. X| 1. Copy a block of indented code, and paste it elsewhere at the same level of indentation. The pasted code looks horrible, and the indentation goes haywire. :mad: 2. The Intellisense-thingie works at times, but not always. Mostly, it doesn't work. If I type in "System." and wait for 2 seconds (yeah, right - I could very well type "out" in that time), it shows me "out". After typing "System.out." nothing happens, however long you wait. :mad: 3. Creating a new project is *very* unintuitive. I had somebody who works in Java import the files for me before I got started. In VS .NET, all you have to do is double-click the .sln file#. 4. If you have a file open, there is no way to say where it is on the file system. At least, no way that I know of. If I hover over the filename tab, I get a relative path, which is pretty much useless because it is relative to the project, not to the hard disk. :| And don't even get me started on the Java coding convention. { on the same line as the if/for/method header, else on the same line as the if's terminating }, and catch on the same line as the try's terminating }. Sheesh! X| Are they still still stuck in the 80x25 DOS world, where a few new line characters will add to the file size and stuff their hard disks? We have HDs with 100s of GB and monitors that support a bajillion pixels. Be proud of your code, and space it out; don't cramp it. There are some cool things, like support for refactoring (I know VS 2005 has them, but this is WSAD 5.1 from 2003) and generating get/set methods, but on the whole, it's a major pain to work with. And I've barely started with this thing. [shudder] # Yes, I know about that "Project files cannot be dropped on to Visual Studio" feature. I'm just waiting to get my hands on the guy who wrote that part. :| Cheers, Vikram.
I don't know and you don't either. Militant Agnostic
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Count yourself lucky - I'm stuck using Sun's Java Studio Enterprise kit. It's based on an old version of NetBeans - and it totally sucks. I too miss intelli-sense that doesn't have to get up off the couch every single time I press the '.' However, WSAD is better than Sun's Java Studio. It literally takes 15 minutes and 1.5G RAM to fire up and debug a project in BEA's WebLogic container on my machine using this stupid thing. I made that mistake once - the code I'm working on now lives outside of an EJB container, so I don't have to deal with that mess for the time being. My co-workers aren't so lucky. Eclipse, as an environment seems to be head-and-shoulders above all other Java development environments, from the little work I've done in this arena (I'd welcome suggestions of better java IDEs). WSAD is based on Eclipse, and written by IBM, so I leave as an excersize to the reader the determination of how IBM took something that it did really well (Eclipse) and used it to create something far less (WSAD)...
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all the problems you're describing ar not websphere problems (websphere is actually the Application server) but GUI ones, and the GUI is eclipse. simply update the version of eclipse. lastest version 3.1.2 is very much more efficient than the one provided within WSAD. moreover, you can edite the template / autoformat code so that you modify the setting (for instance, the { } you can't deal with) the way you like (which is a thing Visual Studio doesn't have !) intellisence has been performed in v3.1.2 ; now, it's much faster... and if it doesn't find the symbol you're lookiong at, it's because you didn't set the right project dependencies. and for the projects imports, the task has been eased : you can import all the projects of a project folder (looked recursively)... one last thing : if you want to have the absolute path of your file on the disk, right click on it on the package explorer, go to the properties, and spot the field "Location".
Thanks, v2.0, but I'm working in a corporate environment where I can't update things as I please. X| Cheers, Vikram.
I don't know and you don't either. Militant Agnostic
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[edit] WSAD is Websphere Studio Application Developer [/edit] I'm now working on a Java product, and WSAD is driving me insane. It costs thousands of dollars and can't even paste code properly. X| 1. Copy a block of indented code, and paste it elsewhere at the same level of indentation. The pasted code looks horrible, and the indentation goes haywire. :mad: 2. The Intellisense-thingie works at times, but not always. Mostly, it doesn't work. If I type in "System." and wait for 2 seconds (yeah, right - I could very well type "out" in that time), it shows me "out". After typing "System.out." nothing happens, however long you wait. :mad: 3. Creating a new project is *very* unintuitive. I had somebody who works in Java import the files for me before I got started. In VS .NET, all you have to do is double-click the .sln file#. 4. If you have a file open, there is no way to say where it is on the file system. At least, no way that I know of. If I hover over the filename tab, I get a relative path, which is pretty much useless because it is relative to the project, not to the hard disk. :| And don't even get me started on the Java coding convention. { on the same line as the if/for/method header, else on the same line as the if's terminating }, and catch on the same line as the try's terminating }. Sheesh! X| Are they still still stuck in the 80x25 DOS world, where a few new line characters will add to the file size and stuff their hard disks? We have HDs with 100s of GB and monitors that support a bajillion pixels. Be proud of your code, and space it out; don't cramp it. There are some cool things, like support for refactoring (I know VS 2005 has them, but this is WSAD 5.1 from 2003) and generating get/set methods, but on the whole, it's a major pain to work with. And I've barely started with this thing. [shudder] # Yes, I know about that "Project files cannot be dropped on to Visual Studio" feature. I'm just waiting to get my hands on the guy who wrote that part. :| Cheers, Vikram.
I don't know and you don't either. Militant Agnostic
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[edit] WSAD is Websphere Studio Application Developer [/edit] I'm now working on a Java product, and WSAD is driving me insane. It costs thousands of dollars and can't even paste code properly. X| 1. Copy a block of indented code, and paste it elsewhere at the same level of indentation. The pasted code looks horrible, and the indentation goes haywire. :mad: 2. The Intellisense-thingie works at times, but not always. Mostly, it doesn't work. If I type in "System." and wait for 2 seconds (yeah, right - I could very well type "out" in that time), it shows me "out". After typing "System.out." nothing happens, however long you wait. :mad: 3. Creating a new project is *very* unintuitive. I had somebody who works in Java import the files for me before I got started. In VS .NET, all you have to do is double-click the .sln file#. 4. If you have a file open, there is no way to say where it is on the file system. At least, no way that I know of. If I hover over the filename tab, I get a relative path, which is pretty much useless because it is relative to the project, not to the hard disk. :| And don't even get me started on the Java coding convention. { on the same line as the if/for/method header, else on the same line as the if's terminating }, and catch on the same line as the try's terminating }. Sheesh! X| Are they still still stuck in the 80x25 DOS world, where a few new line characters will add to the file size and stuff their hard disks? We have HDs with 100s of GB and monitors that support a bajillion pixels. Be proud of your code, and space it out; don't cramp it. There are some cool things, like support for refactoring (I know VS 2005 has them, but this is WSAD 5.1 from 2003) and generating get/set methods, but on the whole, it's a major pain to work with. And I've barely started with this thing. [shudder] # Yes, I know about that "Project files cannot be dropped on to Visual Studio" feature. I'm just waiting to get my hands on the guy who wrote that part. :| Cheers, Vikram.
I don't know and you don't either. Militant Agnostic
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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
2. The Intellisense-thingie works at times, but not always. Mostly, it doesn't work. If I type in "System." and wait for 2 seconds (yeah, right - I could very well type "out" in that time), it shows me "out". After typing "System.out." nothing happens, however long you wait.
No one ever said java was fast ;P one of the reasons I don't use it :doh:
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
3. Creating a new project is *very* unintuitive. I had somebody who works in Java import the files for me before I got started. In VS .NET, all you have to do is double-click the .sln file#.
Wonder if they even use it :laugh: if its so counter-intuitive, makes you wonder... ;)
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
And don't even get me started on the Java coding convention. { on the same line as the if/for/method header, else on the same line as the if's terminating }, and catch on the same line as the try's terminating }. Sheesh! Are they still still stuck in the 80x25 DOS world, where a few new line characters will add to the file size and stuff their hard disks? We have HDs with 100s of GB and monitors that support a bajillion pixels. Be proud of your code, and space it out; don't cramp it.
oh, they're just trying to make their code more vbish... you know, fit everything block-related on one line, *trying* to make it look more stylish ;P That annoys me too though... I put each of my brackets on its own line :) Different conventions I guess :sigh: nothing wrong with it... just another convention. they might be annoyed by the other way too ;P