Is Oracle the worst progam on the planet ?
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We're using Oracle for a project, and it SUCKS. Final proof that Java blows. It is slow, unreliable, ugly and plain crap. Any comments ? Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm thinking of getting married for companionship and so I have someone to cook and clean." - Martin Marvinski, 6/3/2002
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Christian Graus wrote: Final proof that Java blows Huh? Is Oracle now fully in Java??????? Nish
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Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: Is Oracle now fully in Java??????? I seem to remember something about Oracle introducing Java for their stored procedures, but i'm not 100% sure. -- David Wengier TAC ad gone wrong: "Don't fool yourself, you're a bloody idiot." Sonork ID: 100.14177 - Ch00k
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I was a little confused about the Oracle-Java connection, here, too. Is the problem Oracle or Java? (Personally, I've never been impressed with any database product. It seems to me like they all run slow.)
I think the problem is with Java; at least I don't remember hearing such an up-roar before the "big switch". James Sonork ID: 100.11138 - Hasaki "Smile your little smile, take some tea with me awhile. And every day we'll turn another page. Behind our glass we'll sit and look at our ever-open book, One brown mouse sitting in a cage." "One Brown Mouse" from Heavy Horses, Jethro Tull 1978
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We're using Oracle for a project, and it SUCKS. Final proof that Java blows. It is slow, unreliable, ugly and plain crap. Any comments ? Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm thinking of getting married for companionship and so I have someone to cook and clean." - Martin Marvinski, 6/3/2002
I've been doing quite a lot of DB programming, and the last things I would say about Oracle is that it sucks. Yes, Its UI is Horrible and the most non user friendly I have ever seen (at least up to 8i), but when talking about performance MS SQL Server is no match to the Oracle Database. By the way, it is true. Oracle has fully incorporated Java into the 8i and 9i versions. I think this is great, I wish I could write all my stored procedures in C++ and not T-SQL. Any way, the new Versions of Oracle (8i,9i) are much more than a DB server, even if they're hard to work with on MS platforms. Omer.
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Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: Is Oracle now fully in Java??????? I seem to remember something about Oracle introducing Java for their stored procedures, but i'm not 100% sure. -- David Wengier TAC ad gone wrong: "Don't fool yourself, you're a bloody idiot." Sonork ID: 100.14177 - Ch00k
You *CAN* use Java in Oracle if you wish. It's called JSQL when you use it in stored procedures. This is from Oracle 8i onwards. You can also use XSQL, PL/SQL, SQL, XML, etc. etc. when retrieving data from Oracle. It has supports for tons of stuff. If you call Oracle the most unreliable piece of software on the planet - you simply don't know what you're talking about, it's that simple. Oracle runs most of the worlds businesses, including almost EVERY company in the Fortune 500. It is the most common backoffice solution in SAP, Baan, PeopleSoft and Siebel. It runs on every major version of Unix, inluding Linux, HP/UX, Solaris, AIX and even Sequent + Tru/64. Ofcourse it also runs on Windows NT-based servers (such as NT4 and 2000). The client is in Java because it is common amongst users of Oracle to have UNIX-based clients - and it would be a waste of resources to developed both in the Windows/MFC SDKs and Java or any other UNIX-proprietary library. :omg: Henning Kilset Pedersen Forbrukerkraft AS IT Manager
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We're using Oracle for a project, and it SUCKS. Final proof that Java blows. It is slow, unreliable, ugly and plain crap. Any comments ? Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm thinking of getting married for companionship and so I have someone to cook and clean." - Martin Marvinski, 6/3/2002
I'm with you. The client and admin tools for Oracle suck. The company I'm contracting at tend to use the command line SQL Plus stuff. They also use the third party product, Toad. Michael :-)
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We're using Oracle for a project, and it SUCKS. Final proof that Java blows. It is slow, unreliable, ugly and plain crap. Any comments ? Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm thinking of getting married for companionship and so I have someone to cook and clean." - Martin Marvinski, 6/3/2002
Christian Graus wrote: We're using Oracle for a project, and it SUCKS. Final proof that Java blows. It is slow, unreliable, ugly and plain crap. Any comments ? oracle X| X| X| - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Memory leaks is the price we pay \0 01234567890123456789012345678901234
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We're using Oracle for a project, and it SUCKS. Final proof that Java blows. It is slow, unreliable, ugly and plain crap. Any comments ? Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm thinking of getting married for companionship and so I have someone to cook and clean." - Martin Marvinski, 6/3/2002
I also work on a project where they ask us to use oracle and JSP. I really feel sorry about people who have to use those all the time. I made a silent commit to myself, that i will live the company if they force me to use java or oracle in another project. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Memory leaks is the price we pay \0 01234567890123456789012345678901234
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We're using Oracle for a project, and it SUCKS. Final proof that Java blows. It is slow, unreliable, ugly and plain crap. Any comments ? Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm thinking of getting married for companionship and so I have someone to cook and clean." - Martin Marvinski, 6/3/2002
DB Server is ok. Front-end tools suck big time. Tomasz Sowinski -- http://www.shooltz.com
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We're using Oracle for a project, and it SUCKS. Final proof that Java blows. It is slow, unreliable, ugly and plain crap. Any comments ? Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm thinking of getting married for companionship and so I have someone to cook and clean." - Martin Marvinski, 6/3/2002
Get the Freeware client application called TOAD. Its the best equivalent to SQL Enterprise Manager, but for Oracle. From http://www.toadsoft.com/ You wont regret it.
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We're using Oracle for a project, and it SUCKS. Final proof that Java blows. It is slow, unreliable, ugly and plain crap. Any comments ? Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm thinking of getting married for companionship and so I have someone to cook and clean." - Martin Marvinski, 6/3/2002
We had the same problem, then we got 'TOAD' (a replacement for the oracle database admin client) problem solved. Regards Ray "Je Suis Mort De Rire"
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We had the same problem, then we got 'TOAD' (a replacement for the oracle database admin client) problem solved. Regards Ray "Je Suis Mort De Rire"
Everyone keeps mentioning toad - is it free or does it cost ? Where do I get it ? Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm thinking of getting married for companionship and so I have someone to cook and clean." - Martin Marvinski, 6/3/2002
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We're using Oracle for a project, and it SUCKS. Final proof that Java blows. It is slow, unreliable, ugly and plain crap. Any comments ? Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm thinking of getting married for companionship and so I have someone to cook and clean." - Martin Marvinski, 6/3/2002
I have to agree with some of the other messages in this thread, it's not Oracle that sucks its the Java clients. I have been working with databases for nearly 10 years and Oracle is by far the most reliable and recoverable database system that I have used. However most of the Oracle written tools to interface with it are crap ! I use primarily the command line and Toad to administer our databases, and occasionally Visual Studio to update data. I think there are many more programs which are much much worse than Oracle, MS Access for example which puts data mangement in the hands of 'local experts' - that is until they need to do anything useful with it ! Nic :cool:
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You *CAN* use Java in Oracle if you wish. It's called JSQL when you use it in stored procedures. This is from Oracle 8i onwards. You can also use XSQL, PL/SQL, SQL, XML, etc. etc. when retrieving data from Oracle. It has supports for tons of stuff. If you call Oracle the most unreliable piece of software on the planet - you simply don't know what you're talking about, it's that simple. Oracle runs most of the worlds businesses, including almost EVERY company in the Fortune 500. It is the most common backoffice solution in SAP, Baan, PeopleSoft and Siebel. It runs on every major version of Unix, inluding Linux, HP/UX, Solaris, AIX and even Sequent + Tru/64. Ofcourse it also runs on Windows NT-based servers (such as NT4 and 2000). The client is in Java because it is common amongst users of Oracle to have UNIX-based clients - and it would be a waste of resources to developed both in the Windows/MFC SDKs and Java or any other UNIX-proprietary library. :omg: Henning Kilset Pedersen Forbrukerkraft AS IT Manager
pedershk wrote: Oracle runs most of the worlds businesses, including almost EVERY company in the Fortune 500. Going this way, you could say that Windows 95 was once installed in almost EVERY company in the Fortune 500 ;P Tomasz Sowinski -- http://www.shooltz.com
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pedershk wrote: Oracle runs most of the worlds businesses, including almost EVERY company in the Fortune 500. Going this way, you could say that Windows 95 was once installed in almost EVERY company in the Fortune 500 ;P Tomasz Sowinski -- http://www.shooltz.com
Yes, but I'm not, am I. Oracle is a wildly different product from any OS, and you know that as well as I do. Oracle is a proven-over-time, ultrascalable and well-supported enterprise solution. Windows 95 is a toy. Henning Kilset Pedersen Forbrukerkraft AS IT Manager
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Yes, but I'm not, am I. Oracle is a wildly different product from any OS, and you know that as well as I do. Oracle is a proven-over-time, ultrascalable and well-supported enterprise solution. Windows 95 is a toy. Henning Kilset Pedersen Forbrukerkraft AS IT Manager
Hey, relax. I'm just trying to tell that 'software X runs in all 500 biggest companies' doesn't prove its reliability. Tomasz Sowinski -- http://www.shooltz.com
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Everyone keeps mentioning toad - is it free or does it cost ? Where do I get it ? Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm thinking of getting married for companionship and so I have someone to cook and clean." - Martin Marvinski, 6/3/2002
Its made by a company called 'Quest Software', its certainily not free, but you don't have to get the full package either. Quest usually tries to sell their customers the whole package which is around €1500, when in fact you only want the basic software which is around €400 it has certainily made my life a whole lot easier. Regards Ray "Je Suis Mort De Rire"
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Hey, relax. I'm just trying to tell that 'software X runs in all 500 biggest companies' doesn't prove its reliability. Tomasz Sowinski -- http://www.shooltz.com
Tomasz Sowinski wrote: Hey, relax. I'm just trying to tell that 'software X runs in all 500 biggest companies' doesn't prove its reliability. No, I know :) It's just that when people (i.e. the person starting this thread) bashes Oracle becuase their Admin tools are built in Java, I get a bit upset. The admin tools really have absolutely nothing to do with the stability or scalability of a solution like Oracle. The database itself is absolutely rock solid, is my point. Henning Kilset Pedersen Forbrukerkraft AS IT Manager
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Hey, relax. I'm just trying to tell that 'software X runs in all 500 biggest companies' doesn't prove its reliability. Tomasz Sowinski -- http://www.shooltz.com
sure. Those companies have big IT departments with big expirience in unix systems. Those people will naturally chose oracle. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Memory leaks is the price we pay \0 01234567890123456789012345678901234
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Tomasz Sowinski wrote: Hey, relax. I'm just trying to tell that 'software X runs in all 500 biggest companies' doesn't prove its reliability. No, I know :) It's just that when people (i.e. the person starting this thread) bashes Oracle becuase their Admin tools are built in Java, I get a bit upset. The admin tools really have absolutely nothing to do with the stability or scalability of a solution like Oracle. The database itself is absolutely rock solid, is my point. Henning Kilset Pedersen Forbrukerkraft AS IT Manager
pedershk wrote: It's just that when people (i.e. the person starting this thread) bashes Oracle becuase their Admin tools are built in Java, I get a bit upset. Why are you upset? You don't seem to work for Oracle. It's just a bunch of zeros and ones produced by company running under fvckwit Larry E. - if product fits your needs use it, be happy, and don't worry about these opinions. :-D BTW: Java frontend tools really suck X| ;P Tomasz Sowinski -- http://www.shooltz.com