Lady Developers
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About 2 years ago it was 4.34%[^] the fairer sex. I actually wonder what it is that makes it male dominated? Is it a typical "engineering" type thing? Or are guys the only ones daft enough to want to stare at a screen for 12 hours going cross eyed trying to find that bug? I've never actually heard an explanation (that doesn't rely on the fallback of "genetics") that makes sense. cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
My theory is that there's no interaction. Men tend to prefer solace more than women. On the other hand, the number of women online has increased a lot in the last few years because of the ability and availability to interact with other people. Programming is a lonely man's career. :) "If only one person knows the truth, it is still the truth." - Mahatma Gandhi Web - Blog - RSS - Math
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I've never actually met a 'lady' programmer. "You get that which you tolerate"
Stan Shannon wrote:
I've never actually met a 'lady' programmer.
:laugh: Regards, Nish
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Just an idle question; how many women are there around here? CP is quite male-dominated - which reflects development in general, as I'd expect - but I presume there are some other female contributors? Just curious. :)
The definition of "female" is stretched a little thin here... Some are, some aren't - females, I mean. Not trying to be mean-spirited, just stating facts as I know them... ------- sig starts "I've heard some drivers saying, 'We're going too fast here...'. If you're not here to race, go the hell home - don't come here and grumble about going too fast. Why don't you tie a kerosene rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
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I actually wonder what it is that makes it male dominated? Is it a typical "engineering" type thing? I think there is a gender divide when it comes to what interests most women as opposed to most men. Networking with other people in an admin, marketing or management position is probably more attractive to most women than development, which usually requires limited social contact and detailed knowledge of abstract technical concepts. Of course, there are exceptions; personally, I love developing because it means I can bend my computer to my will. ;P
Emma Burrows wrote:
I think there is a gender divide when it comes to what interests most women as opposed to most men. Networking with other people in an admin, marketing or management position is probably more attractive to most women than development, which usually requires limited social contact and detailed knowledge of abstract technical concepts.
Definitely. Although I love development, being tied to a desk full time drives me nuts! Perhaps that's why I've always preferred to be involved in a project on multiple levels - including liasing with customers and other departments - than purely sitting at a desk churning out code. Anna :rose: Currently working mostly on: Visual Lint :cool: Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.
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About 2 years ago it was 4.34%[^] the fairer sex. I actually wonder what it is that makes it male dominated? Is it a typical "engineering" type thing? Or are guys the only ones daft enough to want to stare at a screen for 12 hours going cross eyed trying to find that bug? I've never actually heard an explanation (that doesn't rely on the fallback of "genetics") that makes sense. cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
I'm curious to see who CP lists as a "female". Afterall, we don't want to have any skew in the statistics... ------- sig starts "I've heard some drivers saying, 'We're going too fast here...'. If you're not here to race, go the hell home - don't come here and grumble about going too fast. Why don't you tie a kerosene rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
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Ryan Binns wrote:
That may possibly be because they tend to talk a lot
Quit calling me feminin or I'll hit you with my hand bag. :)
It's supposed to be hard, otherwise anybody could do it!
Hey don't knock it! A good handbag makes an excellent improvised umbrella for the sprint through the rain from car park to pub on a Friday lunchtime... ;P Anna :rose: Currently working mostly on: Visual Lint :cool: Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.
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Ryan Binns wrote:
That may possibly be because they tend to talk a lot
Quit calling me feminin or I'll hit you with my hand bag. :)
It's supposed to be hard, otherwise anybody could do it!
Roger Stoltz wrote:
Quit calling me feminin or I'll hit you with my hand bag.
Certainly ma'am ;)
Ryan
"Punctuality is only a virtue for those who aren't smart enough to think of good excuses for being late" John Nichol "Point Of Impact"
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Some of us walk the memory lane, others plummet into a rabbit hole
Tree in C# || Fold With Us! || sighistWell, I'm a Steve (and a developer) and I've found that rule to be true. It's sad. But true...
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Some of us walk the memory lane, others plummet into a rabbit hole
Tree in C# || Fold With Us! || sighistIn the history of our software group there has been one female, no steves. Admitedly we are still small, maybe a dozen plus who have wound their way through our department. No ladies at the moment, and no steves. _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Just an idle question; how many women are there around here? CP is quite male-dominated - which reflects development in general, as I'd expect - but I presume there are some other female contributors? Just curious. :)
sorry, couldn't help myself as I have just watched an episode of Little Britain :)
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Emma Burrows wrote:
I think there is a gender divide when it comes to what interests most women as opposed to most men. Networking with other people in an admin, marketing or management position is probably more attractive to most women than development, which usually requires limited social contact and detailed knowledge of abstract technical concepts.
Definitely. Although I love development, being tied to a desk full time drives me nuts! Perhaps that's why I've always preferred to be involved in a project on multiple levels - including liasing with customers and other departments - than purely sitting at a desk churning out code. Anna :rose: Currently working mostly on: Visual Lint :cool: Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.
Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote:
Perhaps that's why I've always preferred to be involved in a project on multiple levels - including liasing with customers and other departments - than purely sitting at a desk churning out code.
Same here, I prefer knowing the code is working, interacting with the customers, verifying optimal use, training, demoing, discussing algorithms, as well as coding and designing. The overall approach usually leads to better design on a functional and organizational level. But then we have nice customers, I just get used to blushing when our one female customer hugs. For a hermit, work is my primary human contact... just not accustomed when that contact involves physical contact. _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Emma Burrows wrote:
I think there is a gender divide when it comes to what interests most women as opposed to most men. Networking with other people in an admin, marketing or management position is probably more attractive to most women than development, which usually requires limited social contact and detailed knowledge of abstract technical concepts.
Definitely. Although I love development, being tied to a desk full time drives me nuts! Perhaps that's why I've always preferred to be involved in a project on multiple levels - including liasing with customers and other departments - than purely sitting at a desk churning out code. Anna :rose: Currently working mostly on: Visual Lint :cool: Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.
Although I love development, being tied to a desk full time drives me nuts! Whereas I rather like sitting at my desk talking to no one for hours on end; OTOH, after ten years of Tech Support, I think I've rather overloaded on interacting with people. ;)
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sorry, couldn't help myself as I have just watched an episode of Little Britain :)
:sigh: There's always one! :) When debating whether to put "lady" or "female" developer in the subject, I remembered that one of my friends, on discovering that one of the firemen who came to investigate a local fire was a woman, exclaimed "Ooh look! A lady fireman!". I thought "lady developer" sounded vaguely amusing. And I'll have you know, for those casting aspersions on the ladylike qualities of female developers, that I for one am a lady with impeccable bearing and manners; perfect in every way. ;P
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:sigh: There's always one! :) When debating whether to put "lady" or "female" developer in the subject, I remembered that one of my friends, on discovering that one of the firemen who came to investigate a local fire was a woman, exclaimed "Ooh look! A lady fireman!". I thought "lady developer" sounded vaguely amusing. And I'll have you know, for those casting aspersions on the ladylike qualities of female developers, that I for one am a lady with impeccable bearing and manners; perfect in every way. ;P
Emma Burrows wrote:
with impeccable bearing and manners; perfect in every way.
that is a common self-assessment from many developers of any gender.... Me? I am far from perfect, being human is indeed fine with me. _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Just an idle question; how many women are there around here? CP is quite male-dominated - which reflects development in general, as I'd expect - but I presume there are some other female contributors? Just curious. :)
Hi! Don't usually post....too busy, but caught this thread on the newsletter and had to reply. I am a female developer specializing in developing Client/Server apps and web apps in various languages. I just stopped working for other companies about 9 months ago and now have my own development company. My name is Tommie which will go a long way in explaning the following observation. There are women out there, but I find that when I receive a call from a company they are surprised that I am female. i believe that if they had known I was female to start with, they might not have called me first and I might not have gotten the job. You can sometimes see the doubt in their eyes until they realize that not only can I talk the talk but I can walk the walk. I think there is still a perception out there that to be good programmer you have to be a man. Hopefully I will be able to change that opinion one customer at a time.
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Hi! Don't usually post....too busy, but caught this thread on the newsletter and had to reply. I am a female developer specializing in developing Client/Server apps and web apps in various languages. I just stopped working for other companies about 9 months ago and now have my own development company. My name is Tommie which will go a long way in explaning the following observation. There are women out there, but I find that when I receive a call from a company they are surprised that I am female. i believe that if they had known I was female to start with, they might not have called me first and I might not have gotten the job. You can sometimes see the doubt in their eyes until they realize that not only can I talk the talk but I can walk the walk. I think there is still a perception out there that to be good programmer you have to be a man. Hopefully I will be able to change that opinion one customer at a time.
tommieb wrote:
Hi! Don't usually post....too busy, but caught this thread on the newsletter and had to reply.
"Don't usually post" is an understatement - this is your first post ever! :-D Regards, Nish
Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
The Ultimate Grid - The #1 MFC grid out there! -
tommieb wrote:
Hi! Don't usually post....too busy, but caught this thread on the newsletter and had to reply.
"Don't usually post" is an understatement - this is your first post ever! :-D Regards, Nish
Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
The Ultimate Grid - The #1 MFC grid out there!And that is a problem....why? Oh.....wait there's a smiley.....you were being funny. Ok. Uummmmm..... This is what happens when I post before clearing the code out of my head....I say stupid things. I do read the newsletters and read the post sometimes. Don't feel neglected I don't post anywhere else either.
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Just an idle question; how many women are there around here? CP is quite male-dominated - which reflects development in general, as I'd expect - but I presume there are some other female contributors? Just curious. :)
Sure wish there were more. We could use a little civilization. ---sig---
Silence is the voice of complicity Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. -- Vincent Reynolds Might I suggest that the universe was always the size of the cosmos. It is just that at one point the cosmos was the size of a marble. -- Colin Angus Mackay PS. If you don't understand my sarcasm -- go to hell! -
Just an idle question; how many women are there around here? CP is quite male-dominated - which reflects development in general, as I'd expect - but I presume there are some other female contributors? Just curious. :)
In my Greek university we had at least a 30%. In my master in Lyon around 10%. In work I've encountered more than 10%. It's difficult to tell - enterprises in Greece are so small that analyst and developer jobs get confused.
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And that is a problem....why? Oh.....wait there's a smiley.....you were being funny. Ok. Uummmmm..... This is what happens when I post before clearing the code out of my head....I say stupid things. I do read the newsletters and read the post sometimes. Don't feel neglected I don't post anywhere else either.
tommieb wrote:
And that is a problem....why? Oh.....wait there's a smiley.....you were being funny.
Yeah - was just kidding. Sorry if it wasn't obvious enough. Regards, Nish
Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
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