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get a job; asking to work for free ( outside of a school curriculum ) looks dumb on a resumé, even if you get experience.
Maximilien Lincourt Your Head A Splode - Strong Bad
Well, it depends on your situation, really. If you're still relatively young and haven't had any or many jobs yet, an "Internship" can look good on a resumé.
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Well, it depends on your situation, really. If you're still relatively young and haven't had any or many jobs yet, an "Internship" can look good on a resumé.
yes, but you need to do it as part of a school curriculum; not as a stand-alone internship.
Maximilien Lincourt Your Head A Splode - Strong Bad
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Hi, I've just started out learning C# / .NET at a fast rate. Then, I plan to look for company to get experience even if working for free. Any ideas or suggestions would be appreciated. Anyone know where I can gain experience when I learn enough without certification and only a high school diploma (even for little or no pay)??:(:|:confused:
In all of my job seeking in the software industry, I have never run across a situation where someone was looking for an apprentice to learn the trade for little or no salary (though I have seen job ads promising future rewards for 6 months of non-paid effort :~ ). Every single one of the jobs I have ever applied for is looking for someone with experience who can step into the role and immediately contribute to the company. "But I have no experience," you say. Then get some. If you're not going to get a college degree or some other certification, you have to prove your abilities. Start an open source project. Write (and read!) a bunch of articles for CP. Create and sell your own little utility. If you can demonstrate the ability to get things done, then you won't have trouble finding a job. And, since you're not worried about money right now anyway, this is probably the best way to go. If you're already doing these things, kudos. The point is, when you go in for a job interview, have something to show the potential employer. There are many self-taught programmers here at CP. The one that stands out in my mind is Christian Graus[^]. Ask him if he is willing to give you some pointers on how to get started and gain experience. If not, I'm sure there are countless others who are. It's going to take a lot of work, but it's worth it when you finally get there. Good luck! :rose: Jon Sagara Look at him. He runs like a Welshman. Doesn't he run like a Welshman? Doesn't he? I think he runs like a Welshman. My Site | My Blog | My Articles
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yes, but you need to do it as part of a school curriculum; not as a stand-alone internship.
Maximilien Lincourt Your Head A Splode - Strong Bad
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Hi, I've just started out learning C# / .NET at a fast rate. Then, I plan to look for company to get experience even if working for free. Any ideas or suggestions would be appreciated. Anyone know where I can gain experience when I learn enough without certification and only a high school diploma (even for little or no pay)??:(:|:confused:
sharpone wrote:
Anyone know where I can gain experience...
With or without a paying job: 1. Pick an open-source project, study it and contribute. 2. Write some CP articles and get peer review from the comments. 3. Hang out in the specific CP forums that interest you and contribute as you're able. "If the world should blow itself up, the last audible voice would be that of an expert saying it can't be done." - Peter Ustinov
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Hi, I've just started out learning C# / .NET at a fast rate. Then, I plan to look for company to get experience even if working for free. Any ideas or suggestions would be appreciated. Anyone know where I can gain experience when I learn enough without certification and only a high school diploma (even for little or no pay)??:(:|:confused:
I agree with Mike Mullikin's advice. I'd also add: select something you want to build (eg: a small, useful utility) and write it in C#/.NET. That in itself will be a valuable experience leading to much head scratching, asking questions, sharing your experiences, and hopefully helping others who are at the same stage. Eventually, you could make the utility (and its source code) public. That's how I started learning MFC/Win32, and later C#/.NET. Many of my hacks[^] turned out to be stuff that other people enjoyed using. And believe me, there's nothing like other users telling you how to improve on your ideas! :) /ravi My new year's resolution: 2048 x 1536 Home | Music | Articles | Freeware | Trips ravib(at)ravib(dot)com
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Hi, I've just started out learning C# / .NET at a fast rate. Then, I plan to look for company to get experience even if working for free. Any ideas or suggestions would be appreciated. Anyone know where I can gain experience when I learn enough without certification and only a high school diploma (even for little or no pay)??:(:|:confused:
Here's a decent way to get experience - find a smallish program, and create a duplicate of it using your language of choice. You can do the same thing with ASP.Net - find a fairly simple website that isn't using .NET, and duplicate its functionality using C# and ASP.Net. ------- sig starts "I've heard some drivers saying, 'We're going too fast here...'. If you're not here to race, go the hell home - don't come here and grumble about going too fast. Why don't you tie a kerosene rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
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Hi, I've just started out learning C# / .NET at a fast rate. Then, I plan to look for company to get experience even if working for free. Any ideas or suggestions would be appreciated. Anyone know where I can gain experience when I learn enough without certification and only a high school diploma (even for little or no pay)??:(:|:confused:
Why won't you go to a university and get a degree in CS? If you are going to go out into the corporate world you will have a tough time getting anyone outside of HR to see your resume. Most big companies will require a 4 year degree from a university or a technical degree from someplace like DeVry. Also, remember to network, it's probably your best bet for finding a job.
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Hi, I've just started out learning C# / .NET at a fast rate. Then, I plan to look for company to get experience even if working for free. Any ideas or suggestions would be appreciated. Anyone know where I can gain experience when I learn enough without certification and only a high school diploma (even for little or no pay)??:(:|:confused:
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:)Thank you both for your advice - but how do I go about getting a job to code with no experience / school under my belt?:confused:
sharpone wrote:
but how do I go about getting a job to code with no experience / school under my belt?
You work for free, but for yourself - not someone else. Pick a project. Make a cool website that demonstrates the features you know. Make a utility that does something useful. There are a hundred ways of promoting yourself - showing people what you can do is one of the best ways. Experience comes in many forms - doing your own projects can show that just as well as doing projects for someone else. I'd hire someone that can show they know what they're doing - school or no school. Good luck! Cheers, Drew.
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Here's a decent way to get experience - find a smallish program, and create a duplicate of it using your language of choice. You can do the same thing with ASP.Net - find a fairly simple website that isn't using .NET, and duplicate its functionality using C# and ASP.Net. ------- sig starts "I've heard some drivers saying, 'We're going too fast here...'. If you're not here to race, go the hell home - don't come here and grumble about going too fast. Why don't you tie a kerosene rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
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Hi, I've just started out learning C# / .NET at a fast rate. Then, I plan to look for company to get experience even if working for free. Any ideas or suggestions would be appreciated. Anyone know where I can gain experience when I learn enough without certification and only a high school diploma (even for little or no pay)??:(:|:confused:
sharpone wrote:
Anyone know where I can gain experience when I learn enough without certification and only a high school diploma (even for little or no pay)??
In this day and age, that will be very difficult without either experience or a college degree of somekind. You either have to be very lucky and or have contacts. Back in 1988, I started out without experience or a college degree - I was lucky that I had a contact who gave me my first programming gig. Then I worked really hard to prove myself. The money was rubbish but it was a start. Nowadays, it is harder to find companies willing to take a chance on an inexperienced person without a degree. As others have said, join an open-source project, or write articles for CP or create a clone of an app or website to show off your skills. Write Code, read others code, learn best practises. Ask intelligent questions in forums and participate in online communities. Michael CP Blog [^] Development Blog [^]
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Why won't you go to a university and get a degree in CS? If you are going to go out into the corporate world you will have a tough time getting anyone outside of HR to see your resume. Most big companies will require a 4 year degree from a university or a technical degree from someplace like DeVry. Also, remember to network, it's probably your best bet for finding a job.
Not sure why people voted you down, but it is the sad truth. You may be the best programmer in the world, but many companies won't give you the light of day if you resume doesn't say 4 year degree. I know several companies that have hired people poorly suited for a position simply because they have a degree. Even though the degree is in something completely unrelated to the position.
Found on Bash.org [erno] hm. I've lost a machine.. literally _lost_. it responds to ping, it works completely, I just can't figure out where in my apartment it is.
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sharpone wrote:
Anyone know where I can gain experience when I learn enough without certification and only a high school diploma (even for little or no pay)??
In this day and age, that will be very difficult without either experience or a college degree of somekind. You either have to be very lucky and or have contacts. Back in 1988, I started out without experience or a college degree - I was lucky that I had a contact who gave me my first programming gig. Then I worked really hard to prove myself. The money was rubbish but it was a start. Nowadays, it is harder to find companies willing to take a chance on an inexperienced person without a degree. As others have said, join an open-source project, or write articles for CP or create a clone of an app or website to show off your skills. Write Code, read others code, learn best practises. Ask intelligent questions in forums and participate in online communities. Michael CP Blog [^] Development Blog [^]
