Copyright Protection
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The rights of any author of a creative work to protect that work should outweigh the rights to copy it. Anything less leaves the world a much more boring place to live in.
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Funny... i was a big Napster/Kazaa/Gnutella user back in the day. Pretty much stopped sharing and downloading music after all the lawsuits started hitting. I've bought exactly one new CD per year since then - down from probably one every couple weeks or more prior to that. Pretty much the same deal with downloading movies and seeing them in theaters - i'll wait 'till they're out on DVD and rent them. I might be atypical, but geez, if not, then what a way to shoot yourself in the foot.
Now taking suggestions for the next release of CPhog...
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Troposphere wrote:
I didn't realize that the constitution grants everyone the right to steal copyrighted materials.
neither does the Constitution give authors open-ended copyright protection. neither does the Constitution give media companies the power to prevent people from making use of their Fair Use rights. neither does the Constitution say that the wishes of media companies should supercede those of the citizens. Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
Yeah, just look how they keep extending the copyright laws so that Micky Mouse does not become public domain... It is all about the Benjamins.. If things were priced more realistic, I do not think there would be as much pirating. The true problem is more a sign of the moral decay in the world and how few of peolple actually have any ethics. Rocky <>< Latest Post: SQL2005 Server Managemnet Studio timeouts! Blog: www.RockyMoore.com/TheCoder/[^]
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The rights of any author of a creative work to protect that work should outweigh the rights to copy it. Anything less leaves the world a much more boring place to live in.
John Cardinal wrote:
The rights of any author of a creative work to protect that work should outweigh the rights to copy it.
i'm not talking about "copying it". Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
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From the article:
Such changes are necessary because new technology is "encouraging large-scale criminal enterprises to get involved in intellectual-property theft," Gonzales [AG Alberto] said, adding that proceeds from the illicit businesses are used, "quite frankly, to fund terrorism activities."
Oh geez! Now they're playing the "T" card!!?? :rolleyes: "If the world should blow itself up, the last audible voice would be that of an expert saying it can't be done." - Peter Ustinov
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Some of the people who posted comments on the article complain that their civil liberties are being eroded by such legislation. I didn't realize that the constitution grants everyone the right to steal copyrighted materials. ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸
Troposphere wrote:
I didn't realize that the constitution grants everyone the right to steal copyrighted materials.
It's not about stealing, it's about the DMCA abrogating my fair use rights. -Sean ---- Shag a Lizard
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Troposphere wrote:
I didn't realize that the constitution grants everyone the right to steal copyrighted materials.
It's not about stealing, it's about the DMCA abrogating my fair use rights. -Sean ---- Shag a Lizard
Yawn.. These arguments are so tired. The truth is that too many people think they are entitled to have something of value just because they want it. It's people's inflated sense of entitlement that causes them to steal without conscience, and then rationalize it away as if they have a right to the product in the first place. ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸
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Yawn.. These arguments are so tired. The truth is that too many people think they are entitled to have something of value just because they want it. It's people's inflated sense of entitlement that causes them to steal without conscience, and then rationalize it away as if they have a right to the product in the first place. ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸
Troposphere wrote:
It's people's inflated sense of entitlement that causes them to steal without conscience, and then rationalize it away as if they have a right to the product in the first place.
I don't steal. I buy all my music fair and square. The only entitlement I feel is the right to play it whenever, wherever and on whatever device I want. That's fair use.
Troposphere wrote:
These arguments are so tired.
Yet the validity still stands. -Sean ---- Shag a Lizard
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Yawn.. These arguments are so tired. The truth is that too many people think they are entitled to have something of value just because they want it. It's people's inflated sense of entitlement that causes them to steal without conscience, and then rationalize it away as if they have a right to the product in the first place. ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸
Troposphere wrote:
It's people's inflated sense of entitlement that causes them to steal without conscience, and then rationalize it away as if they have a right to the product in the first place.
why do you keep insisting this is all about "stealing"? do you really not understand that there is more to copyright law than the creator's protection from unauthorized copying ? Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
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Yeah, just look how they keep extending the copyright laws so that Micky Mouse does not become public domain... It is all about the Benjamins.. If things were priced more realistic, I do not think there would be as much pirating. The true problem is more a sign of the moral decay in the world and how few of peolple actually have any ethics. Rocky <>< Latest Post: SQL2005 Server Managemnet Studio timeouts! Blog: www.RockyMoore.com/TheCoder/[^]
Rocky Moore wrote:
If things were priced more realistic, I do not think there would be as much pirating.
Just what is the right price for crap?
Rocky Moore wrote:
The true problem is more a sign of the moral decay in the world and how few of peolple actually have any ethics.
Agreed. -Sean ---- Shag a Lizard
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Troposphere wrote:
It's people's inflated sense of entitlement that causes them to steal without conscience, and then rationalize it away as if they have a right to the product in the first place.
why do you keep insisting this is all about "stealing"? do you really not understand that there is more to copyright law than the creator's protection from unauthorized copying ? Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
Well what in the law prevents you from making fair use? The law prohibits bypassing copy protections. Why do you need to bypass copy protections in order to do fair use? ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸
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Troposphere wrote:
It's people's inflated sense of entitlement that causes them to steal without conscience, and then rationalize it away as if they have a right to the product in the first place.
why do you keep insisting this is all about "stealing"? do you really not understand that there is more to copyright law than the creator's protection from unauthorized copying ? Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
Chris Losinger wrote:
why do you keep insisting this is all about "stealing"?
The perceived actions that one assigns to another says more about the one's morality and integrity than the other's. -Sean ---- Shag a Lizard -- modified at 17:47 Monday 24th April, 2006
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Well what in the law prevents you from making fair use? The law prohibits bypassing copy protections. Why do you need to bypass copy protections in order to do fair use? ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸
Fair use has always been extended to making copies of items for safekeeping. For example, I spend $20 on a new CD. I copy it to use in my car, and I tuck away the original for a future day when the copy dies an untimely death for whatever reason. The DMCA would prevent a consumer for legally doing this. Before you say, "No it doesn't..." ask what happened to all of the DVD copying software. The DMCA in it's present form was used to shut down the makers of this s/w. Charlie Gilley Will program for food... Whoever said children were cheaper by the dozen... lied. My son's PDA is an M249 SAW.
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Fair use has always been extended to making copies of items for safekeeping. For example, I spend $20 on a new CD. I copy it to use in my car, and I tuck away the original for a future day when the copy dies an untimely death for whatever reason. The DMCA would prevent a consumer for legally doing this. Before you say, "No it doesn't..." ask what happened to all of the DVD copying software. The DMCA in it's present form was used to shut down the makers of this s/w. Charlie Gilley Will program for food... Whoever said children were cheaper by the dozen... lied. My son's PDA is an M249 SAW.
Well, not being able to make a backup copy is not what has people so upset and emotional over this issue. I'm not saying you in particular, but some people use the "Fair Use" argument as a blanket code term meaning much less benign activities. There are people who argue that they are entitled to download free music simply because the record companies have "enough" money, in their opinion. This is clearly not a "Fair Use" argument. ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸
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Yawn.. These arguments are so tired. The truth is that too many people think they are entitled to have something of value just because they want it. It's people's inflated sense of entitlement that causes them to steal without conscience, and then rationalize it away as if they have a right to the product in the first place. ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸
For me it's about respect. They respect me, I respect them. They get greedy, I get sneaky. I've always bveen a compulsory buyer. I still cannot enter a record store without purchasing at least something. Even when I was comparedly short on money, I "granted" myself one record a month. There is one personality I hate: control freaks. When I see through which hoops RIAA is willing to jump just to get control over my music habits, I am disgusted. They spend most of their time to make sure I don't get what they don't want me to get, instead of taking care I get exactly what I want. They treat me like a criminal everytime I pay €18..20 for 35..45 minutes of music. I still buy my fair share of music. But I will also keep that trusty 6 year old CD-ROM drive that yet has to fail to grab one "copyright-protected" disc.
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For me it's about respect. They respect me, I respect them. They get greedy, I get sneaky. I've always bveen a compulsory buyer. I still cannot enter a record store without purchasing at least something. Even when I was comparedly short on money, I "granted" myself one record a month. There is one personality I hate: control freaks. When I see through which hoops RIAA is willing to jump just to get control over my music habits, I am disgusted. They spend most of their time to make sure I don't get what they don't want me to get, instead of taking care I get exactly what I want. They treat me like a criminal everytime I pay €18..20 for 35..45 minutes of music. I still buy my fair share of music. But I will also keep that trusty 6 year old CD-ROM drive that yet has to fail to grab one "copyright-protected" disc.
Some of us walk the memory lane, others plummet into a rabbit hole
Tree in C# || Fold With Us! || sighistWhy is no one able to be objective about this issue? You say that for you it's a control issue. Everyone is just so emotional over this that it's hard to talk about it openly. ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸
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Well, not being able to make a backup copy is not what has people so upset and emotional over this issue. I'm not saying you in particular, but some people use the "Fair Use" argument as a blanket code term meaning much less benign activities. There are people who argue that they are entitled to download free music simply because the record companies have "enough" money, in their opinion. This is clearly not a "Fair Use" argument. ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸
Troposphere wrote:
Well, not being able to make a backup copy is not what has people so upset and emotional over this issue.
Wanna bet? I listen to music while i work. And i work a *lot*. So rather than constantly running the CD drive on my laptop, i rip all CDs after buying them, and listen to them that way. The actual CDs stay safe in their cases, opened only when i need to re-rip them or look at album art. This means that when something like Sony's "rootkit" copyprotection comes along, I will circumvent its attempts to restrict my use of the content, as i will not allow such software to be installed on my computer - especially not the development boxes connected to my employers network. This isn't a theoretical argument, or a thinly-veiled defense of piracy - this is how i listen to legally-purchased CDs, and if i'm prevented from doing so then i will no longer listen to CDs, period.
Now taking suggestions for the next release of CPhog...
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Why is no one able to be objective about this issue? You say that for you it's a control issue. Everyone is just so emotional over this that it's hard to talk about it openly. ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸
You want cold facts? What about this one: The contract of a band with a publisher is exclusive, and everything has to go through the publisher. To get the music from this band, I can't pick a publisher whose service I like better. So free market doesn't work, and I am trying my best to put capitalism back into the music industry (Stan would be so proud of me :rolleyes: ) The cost of music is rising, while service doesn't improve. In a way, huge parts of the music industry simply doesn't offer the service I am willing to pay for. Instead of trying to figure out what I like, they tell me what I should like. Instead of scouting for the very music that wins my heart, they shape music to win most purses. Music, by nature, is emotional. I will always be emo about hearing music, about getting music, about a tune I one lost my heart to, ripping the plastic off a new CD and popping it into my CD-ROM drive. As Joel put it so well only recently, the job of the music industry is to create an illusion: the illusion that someone is singing personally for me and to me.
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i'd be more surprised if they didn't. Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
Chris Losinger wrote:
i'd be more surprised if they didn't
Because of the nature of the current Congress? Or because you think they should?
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Well, not being able to make a backup copy is not what has people so upset and emotional over this issue. I'm not saying you in particular, but some people use the "Fair Use" argument as a blanket code term meaning much less benign activities. There are people who argue that they are entitled to download free music simply because the record companies have "enough" money, in their opinion. This is clearly not a "Fair Use" argument. ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸
No offense taken. Besides my example, you've already had several others. What I would like is an even playing field. For example, if RIAA were to show up in my mailbox, my only recourse is (a) send them a check for $3K or (b) find them in court and send $30K to lawyers. If I win, I have a Pyrrhic victory. If I lose, then I lose big. RIAA is bullying consumers. Like someone else said, they mean to be presenting themselves this way. Sooner or later, someone is going to slap then with a RICO or Monopoly complaint. Like Okay, so your point is that "most people aren't copying according to fair use.." Perhaps, but your argument is that the ends justify the means, that piracy has "provoked" this overreaction. Mind you, this is the *exact* argument people make to justify their piracy. "Well, if they didn't charge so much, then I wouldn't have to do this." Same type of argument. So now, you have backdoor licensing agreements that you "agree" to by dropping the CD onto your computer. We have rootkits that damage the operation of systems, expose the systems to malware, etc. - who is responsible? The same company that claims they are doing this to protect themselves also like to claim they are not responsible for their actions via software. Just look at Sony's attempt to explain their root kit. Sorry, this whole situation is a den of thieves situation. Now the RIAA folks have the congress in their pocket, and we're going to get an entirely new layer of bully laws. Charlie Gilley Will program for food... Whoever said children were cheaper by the dozen... lied. My son's PDA is an M249 SAW.
