The language barrier!
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I heard that once of the major cities in Canada (either Montreal or Quebec) forbids the use of the English language. They will actually fine stores who have english text displayed in their windows. Is this still the case? Regards, Brigg Thorp Senior Software Engineer Timex Corporation
That would be Quebec's language police[^]. If you wanna do any business in Quebec, French is mandatory. Just to continue the subthread on the pockets of french in the rest of Canada, eastern Ontario is predominantly french. Not really surprising though given the proximity to Quebec.
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jithAtran wrote:
Can you please quote an example?.I mean,A place in kerala where they speak a language which is not malayalam but something related to malayalam
Tribal areas in Kasarkode, Malappuram, Idukki. I don't know the exact names of those places. Most of those people fall under the Scheduled Tribes, and volunteers go there with the sole intention of teaching them Malayalam so they can mix with outter society. Regards, Nish
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Marc Clifton wrote:
What's the history of your country's languages?
All the 4 states in south India got different languages (even the script). But in the case of North India which got more states but they also different languages but they somehow all connect to Hindi (National Lanugage). So if a person knows 'Hindi' can survive easily from Bombay to Delhi to Calcutta. [Quick Reply][Reply][Email][View Thread][Get Link][Bookmark]
Telugu and Kannada share the same script, with minor differences. Kinda like Hindi and Marathi, except Marathi has a couple of more characters. Cheers, Vikram.
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the tribal people will have thier own style in any part of the glob but the language would not be considered as a seperate language untill or unless its seperately named.
jithAtran wrote:
the tribal people will have thier own style in any part of the glob but the language would not be considered as a seperate language untill or unless its seperately named.
That's the whole point. Most other countries don't have as many sub-tribes (with custom languages) as India does. So it's accurate to state that India has 100s of languages - no other country can claim that. Officially we only have 24, but that's not the main point here. Another point is that dialects of a main language are okay for natives - a tamilian living in Chennai will easily understand Trichur Tamil. But for me, it will be another barrier to cross - they'll sound like 2 languages because my Tamil is very weak. Regards, Nish
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jithAtran wrote:
There will be different Slangs in every languages.it will vary form region to region.Considering Malayalam,Whatever be the style of speaking, as long as it is malayalam its malayalam only.
No I don't mean slang. There are languages related to Malayalam, that's spoken in parts of Kerala which are not Malayalam. They are as different from Malayalam and from each other, as say Hindi or Telugu. Regards, Nish
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jithAtran wrote: There will be different Slangs in every languages.it will vary form region to region.Considering Malayalam,Whatever be the style of speaking, as long as it is malayalam its malayalam only. No I don't mean slang. There are languages related to Malayalam, that's spoken in parts of Kerala which are not Malayalam. They are as different from Malayalam and from each other, as say Hindi or Telugu. Regards, Nish
I agree with Nish here. Other examples would be kutchi, marwadi etc. These are the langugaes mix of Gujarati, Rajasthani, punjabi, snindhi etc. And there are plenty other languages like that. Some of these languages are even written using different script, but usually it would be very similar to the one of the official languages. Ankita
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
here are languages related to Malayalam, that's spoken in parts of Kerala which are not Malayalam
Can you please quote an example?.I mean,A place in kerala where they speak a language which is not malayalam but something related to malayalam
The northernmost district of Kerala, Kasargode (spelling may vary) has a large number of Tulu speakers. Its adjacent district in Karnataka, Managalore is a Tulu majority district. Belgaum in Karnataka is a Marathi majority district. Cheers, Vikram.
I don't know and you don't either. Militant Agnostic
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
jithAtran wrote: There will be different Slangs in every languages.it will vary form region to region.Considering Malayalam,Whatever be the style of speaking, as long as it is malayalam its malayalam only. No I don't mean slang. There are languages related to Malayalam, that's spoken in parts of Kerala which are not Malayalam. They are as different from Malayalam and from each other, as say Hindi or Telugu. Regards, Nish
I agree with Nish here. Other examples would be kutchi, marwadi etc. These are the langugaes mix of Gujarati, Rajasthani, punjabi, snindhi etc. And there are plenty other languages like that. Some of these languages are even written using different script, but usually it would be very similar to the one of the official languages. Ankita
ankita patel wrote:
I agree with Nish here.
Glad to see that. I was getting a little frustrated with everyone holding on to the "24 official languages" point :-) Regards, Nish
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The northernmost district of Kerala, Kasargode (spelling may vary) has a large number of Tulu speakers. Its adjacent district in Karnataka, Managalore is a Tulu majority district. Belgaum in Karnataka is a Marathi majority district. Cheers, Vikram.
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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
The northernmost district of Kerala, Kasargode (spelling may vary) has a large number of Tulu speakers. Its adjacent district in Karnataka, Managalore is a Tulu majority district.
Yeah, one of my primary school classmates used to speak Tulu. Btw, Konkani is a language, right? And there's a non-related language called Kongini spoken by a group called Kongini-Brahmins. Kongini is similar to Tulu I believe. Regards, Nish
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Temporarily suspends the real post which should have been made All Indian langauges are came out from Sanskrit or 'Devenagiri'.Though Tamilians would not agree..And hindi is very close to sanskrit.The letters are same,many words are similar (eg: kamalam-kamal,ambaram-ambar) and most of these words are also there in almost all the languages.and all the languages did evolve as an after effect of some the cross-cultures. But I would say that you can easily learn a new Indian language.it would not take as much time that you require to learn a foriegn language. As I said in a previous post,being an indian if you learn hindi you can very well understand a hindi film.But when are you going to undersatnd all the dialouges of an english film without subtitles. But we are learning English,since English rules the market.I think by the next five years India will overtake US and UK in terms of the number of english speaking people. And who knows...may be after some 20 years they will have to study Indias updations in english grammer rules in English in their language classes.
jithAtran wrote:
As I said in a previous post,being an indian if you learn hindi you can very well understand a hindi film.But when are you going to undersatnd all the dialouges of an english film without subtitles.
Your statement makes no sense. If you know Hindi, you will be able to understand a Hindi film. Naturally, if you know English, you will be able to understand an English film.
jithAtran wrote:
I think by the next five years India will overtake US and UK in terms of the number of english speaking people.
It probably does already. :~ Cheers, Vikram.
I don't know and you don't either. Militant Agnostic
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Kant wrote:
Try to talking to somebody in Carribean.
Is that same as how Courtney Walsh speaks? Or say Mike Holding :-) His commentary is cool though! Regards, Nish
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Is that same as how Courtney Walsh speaks? Or say Mike Holding
Yeah. But in each island they speak differently. [Quick Reply][Reply][Email][View Thread][Get Link][Bookmark]
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jithAtran wrote:
the tribal people will have thier own style in any part of the glob but the language would not be considered as a seperate language untill or unless its seperately named.
That's the whole point. Most other countries don't have as many sub-tribes (with custom languages) as India does. So it's accurate to state that India has 100s of languages - no other country can claim that. Officially we only have 24, but that's not the main point here. Another point is that dialects of a main language are okay for natives - a tamilian living in Chennai will easily understand Trichur Tamil. But for me, it will be another barrier to cross - they'll sound like 2 languages because my Tamil is very weak. Regards, Nish
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The Ultimate Grid - The #1 MFC grid out there!Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
So it's accurate to state that India has 100s of languages - no other country can claim that
Its not accurate, Since kasarkode and northern kerala has a closest affinity to karnataka some kannada influence would be there in their language.But that does not make kasarkode malayalam as a new language called kasa-layalam. A latest film of mohanlal in malayalam would have been released in kasarkode and Tivandrum as well.People of Trivandrum will enjoy it .Similarly people of kasarkode too whom you are stating as the speakers of a different language. Same rule applies for other parts also. Its better not to rope in tribal people into this as long as they are not in the mainstream -- modified at 13:08 Friday 5th May, 2006
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jithAtran wrote:
As I said in a previous post,being an indian if you learn hindi you can very well understand a hindi film.But when are you going to undersatnd all the dialouges of an english film without subtitles.
Your statement makes no sense. If you know Hindi, you will be able to understand a Hindi film. Naturally, if you know English, you will be able to understand an English film.
jithAtran wrote:
I think by the next five years India will overtake US and UK in terms of the number of english speaking people.
It probably does already. :~ Cheers, Vikram.
I don't know and you don't either. Militant Agnostic
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
It probably does already.
Yeah, and they've branded it as Indian English : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_English[^] Regards, Nish
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
Is that same as how Courtney Walsh speaks? Or say Mike Holding
Yeah. But in each island they speak differently. [Quick Reply][Reply][Email][View Thread][Get Link][Bookmark]
Kant wrote:
Yeah. But in each island they speak differently.
Interesting. Must visit there some day. Regards, Nish
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Telugu and Kannada share the same script, with minor differences. Kinda like Hindi and Marathi, except Marathi has a couple of more characters. Cheers, Vikram.
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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
Telugu and Kannada share the same script, with minor differences.
That's true. I know Kannada too. They look like same and you can read it easily. But if person who knows 'Telugu' and doesn't know Kannada then it doesn't make any sense eventhough he/she can read the 'Kannada' script. [Quick Reply][Reply][Email][View Thread][Get Link][Bookmark]
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
So it's accurate to state that India has 100s of languages - no other country can claim that
Its not accurate, Since kasarkode and northern kerala has a closest affinity to karnataka some kannada influence would be there in their language.But that does not make kasarkode malayalam as a new language called kasa-layalam. A latest film of mohanlal in malayalam would have been released in kasarkode and Tivandrum as well.People of Trivandrum will enjoy it .Similarly people of kasarkode too whom you are stating as the speakers of a different language. Same rule applies for other parts also. Its better not to rope in tribal people into this as long as they are not in the mainstream -- modified at 13:08 Friday 5th May, 2006
jithAtran wrote:
Since kasarkode and northern kerala has a closest affinity to karnataka some kannada influence would be there in their language.But that does not make kasarkode malayalam as a new language called kasa-layalam.
It's not Malayalam at all. I am sure those languages will have their own names - an expert might know what they are. And a Mohanlal movie will only be watched by Malayalam speakers. People who speak other languages wont bother with a Malayalam movie.
jithAtran wrote:
Its better not to rope in tribal people into this as long as they are not in the mainstream
Why not? They are in India too. And their languages are Indian languages too - though not officially recognized. Regards, Nish
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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
Telugu and Kannada share the same script, with minor differences.
That's true. I know Kannada too. They look like same and you can read it easily. But if person who knows 'Telugu' and doesn't know Kannada then it doesn't make any sense eventhough he/she can read the 'Kannada' script. [Quick Reply][Reply][Email][View Thread][Get Link][Bookmark]
Kant wrote:
That's true. I know Kannada too. They look like same and you can read it easily. But if person who knows 'Telugu' and doesn't know Kannada then it doesn't make any sense eventhough he/she can read the 'Kannada' script.
That's how it's with Hindi for me. I can read Hindi (I know at least 80% of the alphabet well), but I won't know what they mean :-) Regards, Nish
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ankita patel wrote:
I agree with Nish here.
Glad to see that. I was getting a little frustrated with everyone holding on to the "24 official languages" point :-) Regards, Nish
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The Ultimate Grid - The #1 MFC grid out there!:) there is always somebody who would agree with you and somebody who wouldn't. Actually It would be good to hold on to 24 official languages, or imagine what would happen, if every other language would start getting official status. As there are proponents of every language spoken out there. :-D And in my opinion, issue of language is overbeaten in India. whatever language you speak people always find a way to communicate. It's amazing. Ankita
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jithAtran wrote:
As I said in a previous post,being an indian if you learn hindi you can very well understand a hindi film.But when are you going to undersatnd all the dialouges of an english film without subtitles.
Your statement makes no sense. If you know Hindi, you will be able to understand a Hindi film. Naturally, if you know English, you will be able to understand an English film.
jithAtran wrote:
I think by the next five years India will overtake US and UK in terms of the number of english speaking people.
It probably does already. :~ Cheers, Vikram.
I don't know and you don't either. Militant Agnostic
I know Devanagiri is a script.what i meant is,both sanskrit and hindi came follows the same script. You can understand a hindi film easily since the root of that language is there in your blood But English is foreign language.U can very well understand Hydrebad Blues or Monsoon Wedding But its not easy for an indian to understand the language of schindler's list or mission impossible unless he has not gone for an american accent training.Or if he has been watching english movies right from his child hood. Last week even with subtitles I coulnot understand "Momento" fully(Its just my case..leave it)
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Kant wrote:
How many have you encountered at work?
Not talking about work - but in general. At work, everyone would speak English, so there's never a language barrier. Regards, Nish
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Not talking about work - but in general. At work, everyone would speak English, so there's never a language barrier.
We are not talking about in 'general'. Let me refresh your memory. I was interested by Vivek's comments about how all the Indian CPians would have to use English to communicate with each other because we have 200 languages in India CPians from Indian are the folks who are in IT field. So I am reading it as 'official languages' or 'languages spoken by IT folks'. So counting 200+ languages doesn't make any sense. That's why I asked how many you encountered at work who speak not an official language from their home state. I know a friend who was born in Andhra but raised in Bombay. He talks in fluently in Hindi, but their telugu is not real 'Telugu'. But he speaks that language at home only. At work he uses only 'Hindi' or 'English'. [Quick Reply][Reply][Email][View Thread][Get Link][Bookmark]
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jithAtran wrote:
Since kasarkode and northern kerala has a closest affinity to karnataka some kannada influence would be there in their language.But that does not make kasarkode malayalam as a new language called kasa-layalam.
It's not Malayalam at all. I am sure those languages will have their own names - an expert might know what they are. And a Mohanlal movie will only be watched by Malayalam speakers. People who speak other languages wont bother with a Malayalam movie.
jithAtran wrote:
Its better not to rope in tribal people into this as long as they are not in the mainstream
Why not? They are in India too. And their languages are Indian languages too - though not officially recognized. Regards, Nish
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Mohanlal movie will only be watched by Malayalam speakers. People who speak other languages wont bother with a Malayalam movie.
Yea..but those who speak a langauge which is similar to malayalam (but not malyalam )would also watch his movie.right? Then they are also malayalis