Do you believe the existence of Aliens in other planets?
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ihoecken wrote:
GOD created this world, ...I think that he created the whole universe
Actually, there is a god for each world. We are all his little experiment. If we fuck up, he gets a D in his end of term exam. Nunc est bibendum
fat_boy wrote:
If we f*** up, he gets a D in his end of term exam.
"if" ??? _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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viaduct wrote:
Complex life requires complex chemicals
Perhaps; perhaps not. For example, many complex circuits can be etched onto a silicon chip but the chip consists of mainly silicon with tiny amounts of doping agents such as arsenic. Conway’s game of life is another good example. Complexity can arise in many ways. In these examples the complexity is in the interconnection between simple units. Life in an opportunist. Steve
Are you suggesting that complex life could arise by the natural etching of transistors onto a naturally almost pure silicon substrate with naturally just the right levels of doping? :omg: And Conway's game of life produces pretty patterns but it's hardly displaying enough intelligence to build a Shuttle.
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They exist , but do they pay taxes ?
The three constants of civilization... death, taxes, and stupidity. Without death there is no desire for change of environment, no encouragement for advancement, civilization would have no meaning or advantage so would have almost no likelyhood to evolve (can't quite say never evolve because there is always random chance, but chaos theory is hard to measure). Stupidity is a social norm, a cluster of individuals devolve to the equal stupidity of their lowest individual. Ask any rancher the intelligence of a cluster of his herd if you want a non-human example. Taxes... due to the prior... a large cluster of individuals will be incapable of perceiving of how to survive without taxing for funding civilization itself, the larger the group the more intent on taxes being necessary, the only goal is "hiding" the tax so that it is not perceived. The goal is either tax, or utilize the constant existance of stupidity to fool the civilized group into believing taxes do not exist. _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Link2006 must be pretty disappointed after having read your reply. ;P
Maxwell Chen
He probably gets upset if his turds aren't what he considers the right shape, size, or color... ------- sig starts "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
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Are you suggesting that complex life could arise by the natural etching of transistors onto a naturally almost pure silicon substrate with naturally just the right levels of doping? :omg: And Conway's game of life produces pretty patterns but it's hardly displaying enough intelligence to build a Shuttle.
viaduct wrote:
Are you suggesting that complex life could arise by the natural etching of transistors onto a naturally almost pure silicon substrate with naturally just the right levels of doping?
No, I'm not. I am trying to demonstrate that complex systems can be constructed from limited ingredients (limited in type, not quantity).
viaduct wrote:
And Conway's game of life produces pretty patterns but it's hardly displaying enough intelligence to build a Shuttle.
Not so. It has been proven that Conway's game of life is a universal turing machine: It can do whatever a computer can. Steve
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I mean just look at the sky, how many stars are there! There gotta be some other civilizations exist out there. If they do exist, who created them? Did the GOD who created the Earth also created them? What kind of cars do they drive, do they also have computers and internet too? What do they look like, do they look like us? Are they smarter than us? Think about it, it's kind of interesting.
Yes I do believe there are life forms outside the solar system, and some of them possibly intelligent (in our view of it anyway). I don't believe a god created the earth or the universe. Regards, Nish
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I mean just look at the sky, how many stars are there! There gotta be some other civilizations exist out there. If they do exist, who created them? Did the GOD who created the Earth also created them? What kind of cars do they drive, do they also have computers and internet too? What do they look like, do they look like us? Are they smarter than us? Think about it, it's kind of interesting.
That's an easy question because The Creator tells us all about it. Genesis 1 mentions everything God created, including the heavens. There is no mention of Him putting life up there. Man was created to rule over the earth (Gen 1:26) and was created in the likeness of God (Gen 1:27). Then why are the stars there, you may ask? Gen 1:14-18 "'...to separate the day from the night, and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days and years; and let them be for lights in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth'; and it was so. And God made the two great lights, the greater light to govern the day, and the lesser light to govern the night; He made the stars also. And God placed them in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth, and to govern the day and the night, and to separate the light from the darkness; and God saw that it was good." So the stars are there for us! A good answer is also given here: UFOs and aliens—is there something going on?[^] Barry Etter
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I neither believe nor disbelieve. I don't see any reason why there couldn't be, but I haven't seen anything that suggests there is. I reserve judgement until I see more evidence :)
Ryan
"Punctuality is only a virtue for those who aren't smart enough to think of good excuses for being late" John Nichol "Point Of Impact"
Yeah, but once you see the proof, you can no longer say I can or can't believe. It will be right there in front of you. However, seeing the universe movie of last week, it seems impossible that only one planet in billions out of one galaxy in billions could only support bras, umm I mean life. So I have to believe that there is life out there, but the chances of us ever seeing them, unless our worlds are about to collide :), are very, very slim. There are II kinds of people in the world. Those who understand binary and those who understand Roman numerals. Web - Blog - RSS - Math
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Link2006 must be pretty disappointed after having read your reply. ;P
Maxwell Chen
Maxwell Chen wrote:
Link2006 must be pretty disappointed after having read your reply.
Oh sorry. That wasn't my intention. I call myself honest (I say what I think) my friends call me cynic. I guess they are right. :^) ------------------------------ PROST Roleplaying Game War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left.
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Link2006 must be pretty disappointed after having read your reply. ;P
Maxwell Chen
but why you are disappointed ? Hope,Hope is very good in life
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No
Large cats have been scientifically proven to dream. Among the recurring themes are balls of yarn, mice, and half-blind overweight shackled oryx.
Monty2 wrote:
No
You think there is no live on the millions of planets in the whole universe? Why not? ------------------------------ PROST Roleplaying Game War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left.
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That's an easy question because The Creator tells us all about it. Genesis 1 mentions everything God created, including the heavens. There is no mention of Him putting life up there. Man was created to rule over the earth (Gen 1:26) and was created in the likeness of God (Gen 1:27). Then why are the stars there, you may ask? Gen 1:14-18 "'...to separate the day from the night, and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days and years; and let them be for lights in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth'; and it was so. And God made the two great lights, the greater light to govern the day, and the lesser light to govern the night; He made the stars also. And God placed them in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth, and to govern the day and the night, and to separate the light from the darkness; and God saw that it was good." So the stars are there for us! A good answer is also given here: UFOs and aliens—is there something going on?[^] Barry Etter
Barry Etter wrote:
So the stars are there for us!
how narcissistic of us. :) So God encourages and perpetuates narcissism? _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Link2006 wrote:
Aliens in other planets?
umm... I believe in existence of aliens even on our planet!! ;P;P
When I look at the soapbox I guess you are right (I don't tell you about whom I'm talking :-D) ------------------------------ PROST Roleplaying Game War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left.
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This is my theory: Aliens exist but they can't get here because the universe is stupidly large and the speed of light isn't up to the task or traversing even a small fraction of it. A lot of people go for the, "if they exist why aren't they here" theory to rule Aliens out. But if we assume for a second that Einstein was right and you can't ever exceed the speed of light (or in fact ever reach it) then this could provide an answer - It would take so long so why bother: by the time you get there odds are the civilisation has collapsed; assuming there's anything left at all. Steve
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This is my theory: Aliens exist but they can't get here because the universe is stupidly large and the speed of light isn't up to the task or traversing even a small fraction of it. A lot of people go for the, "if they exist why aren't they here" theory to rule Aliens out. But if we assume for a second that Einstein was right and you can't ever exceed the speed of light (or in fact ever reach it) then this could provide an answer - It would take so long so why bother: by the time you get there odds are the civilisation has collapsed; assuming there's anything left at all. Steve
Stephen Hewitt wrote:
But if we assume for a second that Einstein was right and you can't ever exceed the speed of light (or in fact ever reach it) then this could provide an answer - It would take so long so why bother: by the time you get there odds are the civilisation has collapsed; assuming there's anything left at all.
I don't believe that lightspeed is the maximum, but even if you can reach factor 1000, you may need 1.5 million years to reach the earth (depending on the point you start at). And why should alien come to this little world full of idiots, war and stupidity? If they are intelligent, they will build a highway and bomb the earth away for it. If they are not - well there might be one or more of them in the soapbox. Greetings, Ingo ------------------------------ PROST Roleplaying Game War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left.
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I mean just look at the sky, how many stars are there! There gotta be some other civilizations exist out there. If they do exist, who created them? Did the GOD who created the Earth also created them? What kind of cars do they drive, do they also have computers and internet too? What do they look like, do they look like us? Are they smarter than us? Think about it, it's kind of interesting.
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Monty2 wrote:
No
You think there is no live on the millions of planets in the whole universe? Why not? ------------------------------ PROST Roleplaying Game War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left.
Well the universe has been around for almost 12 billion years and we have been here for just a few thousand years and we will most probably be extinct in a few more thousand years. so our birth and death is like a water bubble burst when we compare it to the time frame of universe. So the probability that these types of two bubbles will coexist at the same time (meaning we and another intelligent civilization) is very low and even if they do coexists, the probability that they will ever meet is even lower. and more over from what we have explored so far ... doesn't look too good :-D (So looks like we are precious :-D)
Large cats have been scientifically proven to dream. Among the recurring themes are balls of yarn, mice, and half-blind overweight shackled oryx.
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I mean just look at the sky, how many stars are there! There gotta be some other civilizations exist out there. If they do exist, who created them? Did the GOD who created the Earth also created them? What kind of cars do they drive, do they also have computers and internet too? What do they look like, do they look like us? Are they smarter than us? Think about it, it's kind of interesting.
I think they exist and will one day invade us for our supply of Reese's Pieces. BW
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
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viaduct wrote:
Are you suggesting that complex life could arise by the natural etching of transistors onto a naturally almost pure silicon substrate with naturally just the right levels of doping?
No, I'm not. I am trying to demonstrate that complex systems can be constructed from limited ingredients (limited in type, not quantity).
viaduct wrote:
And Conway's game of life produces pretty patterns but it's hardly displaying enough intelligence to build a Shuttle.
Not so. It has been proven that Conway's game of life is a universal turing machine: It can do whatever a computer can. Steve
Stephen Hewitt wrote:
It can do whatever a computer can.
Maybe so, but the simplest living thing displays far more subtlety and complexity than a computer so I maintain that the game of life is nowhere near complex enough to produce life. I agree 100% that complex systems can be built up from simple components, but life doesn't really use binary, it uses a wide range of complex and subtle interactions that require a wide range of chemicals, and the wider the range of available chemicals, the more opportunities there will be to make successful life. Life would not arise on a planet where there was only Silicon and Arsenic, however they were combined. Steve.
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Well the universe has been around for almost 12 billion years and we have been here for just a few thousand years and we will most probably be extinct in a few more thousand years. so our birth and death is like a water bubble burst when we compare it to the time frame of universe. So the probability that these types of two bubbles will coexist at the same time (meaning we and another intelligent civilization) is very low and even if they do coexists, the probability that they will ever meet is even lower. and more over from what we have explored so far ... doesn't look too good :-D (So looks like we are precious :-D)
Large cats have been scientifically proven to dream. Among the recurring themes are balls of yarn, mice, and half-blind overweight shackled oryx.
Monty2 wrote:
meaning we and another intelligent civilization
Well didn't thought we talked about intelligent life. As I see it there is no intelligent life in the whole universe.
Monty2 wrote:
and even if they do coexists, the probability that they will ever meet is even lower.
Ok. The chance that you're right isn't so small in this point ;)
Monty2 wrote:
and more over from what we have explored so far ... doesn't look too good
Well 8 (or 9 if you count Pluto) planets and some moons. There are millions of solar systems just in our galaxy - and there are million of galaxies with million of solar systems. I think you must visit a million planets before you can have a funded prognosis - so we have to wait two or three more years, before we can answer the question. ;) ------------------------------ PROST Roleplaying Game War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left.
