Do you believe the existence of Aliens in other planets?
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I think they exist and will one day invade us for our supply of Reese's Pieces. BW
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
-- Steven WrightYours is the most resonable reply of all in this thread. ---------- There go my people. I must find out where they are going so I can lead them. - Alexander Ledru-Rollin
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I mean just look at the sky, how many stars are there! There gotta be some other civilizations exist out there. If they do exist, who created them? Did the GOD who created the Earth also created them? What kind of cars do they drive, do they also have computers and internet too? What do they look like, do they look like us? Are they smarter than us? Think about it, it's kind of interesting.
I'm still compiling the evidence, but surprisingly, I think you may be the prime example of aliens that exist here on this planet. :-D Chris Meech I am Canadian. [heard in a local bar] When I want privacy, I'll close the bathroom door. [Stan Shannon] NOTED: The government now loses money on each penny it produces thanks to the soaring price of zinc -- the main component of the copper-coated coins. The cost of the metals in a penny rose to 0.8 cents last week, and the government spends at least another 0.6 cents to mint each one-cent coin. [The New York Times] -- modified at 9:17 Monday 8th May, 2006
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Barry Etter wrote:
So the stars are there for us!
how narcissistic of us. :) So God encourages and perpetuates narcissism? _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
Jeffry J. Brickley wrote:
how narcissistic of us
The understanding that we (humans and Earth) are special, despite what we're told by secular scientists, is not narcissistic. I didn't say the stars are here for me.
Jeffry J. Brickley wrote:
So God encourages and perpetuates narcissism?
You set up a straw man, which is a logical flaw. However, there are many facts that support the Anthropic Principle, which supports the fact that we are, in fact, special. Barry Etter
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That's an easy question because The Creator tells us all about it. Genesis 1 mentions everything God created, including the heavens. There is no mention of Him putting life up there. Man was created to rule over the earth (Gen 1:26) and was created in the likeness of God (Gen 1:27). Then why are the stars there, you may ask? Gen 1:14-18 "'...to separate the day from the night, and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days and years; and let them be for lights in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth'; and it was so. And God made the two great lights, the greater light to govern the day, and the lesser light to govern the night; He made the stars also. And God placed them in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth, and to govern the day and the night, and to separate the light from the darkness; and God saw that it was good." So the stars are there for us! A good answer is also given here: UFOs and aliens—is there something going on?[^] Barry Etter
I believe that God made the earth and us. But I don't know why he shouldn't create more "intelligent" beings (if you like to call humans in that way). The second point is that God made everything in the universe, but humans wrote the bible. So we should not think that every word you read there should be taken word-for-word. The bible was translated many times and there are many difference between the first transcription and the translations we read in our days. Greetings, Ingo ------------------------------ PROST Roleplaying Game War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left.
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This is my theory: Aliens exist but they can't get here because the universe is stupidly large and the speed of light isn't up to the task or traversing even a small fraction of it. A lot of people go for the, "if they exist why aren't they here" theory to rule Aliens out. But if we assume for a second that Einstein was right and you can't ever exceed the speed of light (or in fact ever reach it) then this could provide an answer - It would take so long so why bother: by the time you get there odds are the civilisation has collapsed; assuming there's anything left at all. Steve
Stephen Hewitt wrote:
the speed of light
I think that there are two skills to discover: Time traveling and Space warp.
Maxwell Chen
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Yours is the most resonable reply of all in this thread. ---------- There go my people. I must find out where they are going so I can lead them. - Alexander Ledru-Rollin
:-D I always try to approach this topic with a bit of common sense and logic. Getting all emotional about it simply gets in the way of all the facts. BW
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
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Barry Etter wrote:
So the stars are there for us!
Looking at the fine balance of the universe, my latest thoughts are along the same lines. If one believes in intelligent design, then everything must be there for a reason. I mean, if God programmed our DNA in C++, then surley he has mastered code reuse and optimized his design. My thoughts are that if anything were out of place, then Earth wouldn't be able to maintain it's current balance. ~Nitron.
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startNitron wrote:
if God programmed our DNA in C++, then surley he has mastered code reuse and optimized his design.
There still be the chances to see "Access violation 0xC0000005" or Blue Screen "IRQ_LEVEL_NOT_EQUAL_OR_LESS" ...
Maxwell Chen
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Nitron wrote:
if God programmed our DNA in C++, then surley he has mastered code reuse and optimized his design.
There still be the chances to see "Access violation 0xC0000005" or Blue Screen "IRQ_LEVEL_NOT_EQUAL_OR_LESS" ...
Maxwell Chen
Maxwell Chen wrote:
There still be the chances to see "Access violation 0xC0000005" or Blue Screen "IRQ_LEVEL_NOT_EQUAL_OR_LESS" ...
those usually manifest themselves ad black holes, well at least the !div/0 errors do anyway... ;) ~Nitron.
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I mean just look at the sky, how many stars are there! There gotta be some other civilizations exist out there. If they do exist, who created them? Did the GOD who created the Earth also created them? What kind of cars do they drive, do they also have computers and internet too? What do they look like, do they look like us? Are they smarter than us? Think about it, it's kind of interesting.
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Jeffry J. Brickley wrote:
how narcissistic of us
The understanding that we (humans and Earth) are special, despite what we're told by secular scientists, is not narcissistic. I didn't say the stars are here for me.
Jeffry J. Brickley wrote:
So God encourages and perpetuates narcissism?
You set up a straw man, which is a logical flaw. However, there are many facts that support the Anthropic Principle, which supports the fact that we are, in fact, special. Barry Etter
Barry Etter wrote:
there are many facts that support the Anthropic Principle, which supports the fact that we are, in fact, special.
Only if the interpretation is that the entire 14 billion year distance that we can see is all there is. Some interpretations of the principle state that we live in just one bubble universe out of a huge landscape of possible universes. Our universe supporting us is no different then Earth supporting us. I don't believe one bit of it, there are too many unknowns to just accept that there are no higher organizing principles to physics or cosmology.
I can imagine the sinking feeling one would have after ordering my book, only to find a laughably ridiculous theory with demented logic once the book arrives - Mark McCutcheon
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I mean just look at the sky, how many stars are there! There gotta be some other civilizations exist out there. If they do exist, who created them? Did the GOD who created the Earth also created them? What kind of cars do they drive, do they also have computers and internet too? What do they look like, do they look like us? Are they smarter than us? Think about it, it's kind of interesting.
Link2006 wrote:
There gotta be some other civilizations exist out there.
Why? Direct-mail advertising to other planets is gonna be prohibitively expensive...
Link2006 wrote:
If they do exist, who created them? Did the GOD who created the Earth also created them?
Sure, why not.
Link2006 wrote:
Think about it, it's kind of interesting.
Not half interesting enough to deserve the time people spend thinking about it. It's a good setup for bad space opera - that's about it.
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I mean just look at the sky, how many stars are there! There gotta be some other civilizations exist out there. If they do exist, who created them? Did the GOD who created the Earth also created them? What kind of cars do they drive, do they also have computers and internet too? What do they look like, do they look like us? Are they smarter than us? Think about it, it's kind of interesting.
Link2006 wrote:
There gotta be some other civilizations exist out there.
The reason I can't say that I 'believe' in alien civilations is that the best arguments we have for them are all 'arguments from incredulity'. i.e. "How could there NOT be?". The problem with those types of arguments is that they assume we've got all of our i's dotted and t's crossed already - and certainly we don't. Failures of imagination are not proof. I'd really like to believe that there are alien civilations out there right now. I can't think of anything much more exciting that meeting sentient beings from totally different origins. But until some manner of contact is made, it's got to remain an "I just don't know" thing.
Link2006 wrote:
Did the GOD who created the Earth also created them?
Why not? The imagined creator of earth also created the imagined aliens. His Sauciness must have a truly lengthy noodles! (calling God 'imagined' is perfectly valid - we have no solid evidence either way. Don't get pissy with me, religous folks! :))
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I do. It would be awfully arrogant to assume we are a special case in the universe.
Link2006 wrote:
Did the GOD who created the Earth also created them?
I don't believe a god created any of it. regards, Paul Watson Ireland Feed Henry!
eh, stop bugging me about it, give it a couple of days, see what happens.
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Paul Watson wrote:
It would be awfully arrogant to assume we are a special case in the universe.
Naw. Special-cases are common as mud - it's arrogant to assume there's anything out there we'd recognize as at all similar to us. And if we weren't lonely geeks social animals, we likely wouldn't care. :rolleyes:
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Paul Watson wrote:
It would be awfully arrogant to assume we are a special case in the universe.
Naw. Special-cases are common as mud - it's arrogant to assume there's anything out there we'd recognize as at all similar to us. And if we weren't lonely geeks social animals, we likely wouldn't care. :rolleyes:
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I agree with you but still hold we aren't a special case. What we'd classify as an alien life form might not be anything like us but in the sentient life stakes (because we are probably to intolerant to accept advanced life that isn't sentient) it is. As for geeks... I hope to god we are unique or the universe is doomed ;) regards, Paul Watson Ireland Feed Henry!
eh, stop bugging me about it, give it a couple of days, see what happens.
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I mean just look at the sky, how many stars are there! There gotta be some other civilizations exist out there. If they do exist, who created them? Did the GOD who created the Earth also created them? What kind of cars do they drive, do they also have computers and internet too? What do they look like, do they look like us? Are they smarter than us? Think about it, it's kind of interesting.
I'd be suprised if there weren't. I don't know if we will ever be able to find out.
I can imagine the sinking feeling one would have after ordering my book, only to find a laughably ridiculous theory with demented logic once the book arrives - Mark McCutcheon
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Barry Etter wrote:
there are many facts that support the Anthropic Principle, which supports the fact that we are, in fact, special.
Only if the interpretation is that the entire 14 billion year distance that we can see is all there is. Some interpretations of the principle state that we live in just one bubble universe out of a huge landscape of possible universes. Our universe supporting us is no different then Earth supporting us. I don't believe one bit of it, there are too many unknowns to just accept that there are no higher organizing principles to physics or cosmology.
I can imagine the sinking feeling one would have after ordering my book, only to find a laughably ridiculous theory with demented logic once the book arrives - Mark McCutcheon
Andy Brummer wrote:
Only if the interpretation is that the entire 14 billion year distance that we can see is all there is
Who can see 14 billion years distance? Most humans are to blind to see something that happended yesterday or something that may will happen tomorrow. You can't even "see" any planet outside our solarsystem directly, you can just see "shadows" and interference of light. We just took same pictures of mars and venus. There might be a civilization on Jupiter and we just don't know (hey - just an example, I don't believe this). There might be hundreds of million planets with life on it and we don't know it and perhaps we'll never know it...
Andy Brummer wrote:
I don't believe one bit of it, there are too many unknowns to just accept that there are no higher organizing principles to physics or cosmology.
Well, when you look on the priciples you can see the godlike spark. :) ------------------------------ PROST Roleplaying Game War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left.
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I agree with you but still hold we aren't a special case. What we'd classify as an alien life form might not be anything like us but in the sentient life stakes (because we are probably to intolerant to accept advanced life that isn't sentient) it is. As for geeks... I hope to god we are unique or the universe is doomed ;) regards, Paul Watson Ireland Feed Henry!
eh, stop bugging me about it, give it a couple of days, see what happens.
Paul Watson wrote:
I agree with you but still hold we aren't a special case
I hope some of us humans are special cases. It can't be good for the universe if there would be more such stupid beings. ------------------------------ PROST Roleplaying Game War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left.
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Link2006 wrote:
There gotta be some other civilizations exist out there.
Why? Direct-mail advertising to other planets is gonna be prohibitively expensive...
Link2006 wrote:
If they do exist, who created them? Did the GOD who created the Earth also created them?
Sure, why not.
Link2006 wrote:
Think about it, it's kind of interesting.
Not half interesting enough to deserve the time people spend thinking about it. It's a good setup for bad space opera - that's about it.
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Shog9 wrote:
Not half interesting enough to deserve the time people spend thinking about it.
You know, I think you have a point there. There's definitely a coolness factor to finding life elsewhere in the universe, but beyond that so what? We haven't even come close to mastering communication amongst ourselves, what makes us think we can successfully speak with an alien race without royally screwing things up? I suppose we could just look at each other, but if we aren't going to communicate with them, there's little value in even knowing they exist. So the whole thing is a big waste of time and effort, at least for the time being. Though I suppose it would be nice to know exactly how far away we might potentially need to blow something up. BW
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
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Paul Watson wrote:
I agree with you but still hold we aren't a special case
I hope some of us humans are special cases. It can't be good for the universe if there would be more such stupid beings. ------------------------------ PROST Roleplaying Game War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left.
I hold that most humans are not stupid at all. regards, Paul Watson Ireland Feed Henry!
eh, stop bugging me about it, give it a couple of days, see what happens.
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I hold that most humans are not stupid at all. regards, Paul Watson Ireland Feed Henry!
eh, stop bugging me about it, give it a couple of days, see what happens.
Paul Watson wrote:
I hold that most humans are not stupid at all.
Well, I said "some" not "most", everything else would exceed the discussion of "aliens" in the universe :rolleyes: ------------------------------ PROST Roleplaying Game War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left.