Do you believe the existence of Aliens in other planets?
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This is my theory: Aliens exist but they can't get here because the universe is stupidly large and the speed of light isn't up to the task or traversing even a small fraction of it. A lot of people go for the, "if they exist why aren't they here" theory to rule Aliens out. But if we assume for a second that Einstein was right and you can't ever exceed the speed of light (or in fact ever reach it) then this could provide an answer - It would take so long so why bother: by the time you get there odds are the civilisation has collapsed; assuming there's anything left at all. Steve
Stephen Hewitt wrote:
the speed of light
I think that there are two skills to discover: Time traveling and Space warp.
Maxwell Chen
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Yours is the most resonable reply of all in this thread. ---------- There go my people. I must find out where they are going so I can lead them. - Alexander Ledru-Rollin
:-D I always try to approach this topic with a bit of common sense and logic. Getting all emotional about it simply gets in the way of all the facts. BW
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Barry Etter wrote:
So the stars are there for us!
Looking at the fine balance of the universe, my latest thoughts are along the same lines. If one believes in intelligent design, then everything must be there for a reason. I mean, if God programmed our DNA in C++, then surley he has mastered code reuse and optimized his design. My thoughts are that if anything were out of place, then Earth wouldn't be able to maintain it's current balance. ~Nitron.
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startNitron wrote:
if God programmed our DNA in C++, then surley he has mastered code reuse and optimized his design.
There still be the chances to see "Access violation 0xC0000005" or Blue Screen "IRQ_LEVEL_NOT_EQUAL_OR_LESS" ...
Maxwell Chen
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Nitron wrote:
if God programmed our DNA in C++, then surley he has mastered code reuse and optimized his design.
There still be the chances to see "Access violation 0xC0000005" or Blue Screen "IRQ_LEVEL_NOT_EQUAL_OR_LESS" ...
Maxwell Chen
Maxwell Chen wrote:
There still be the chances to see "Access violation 0xC0000005" or Blue Screen "IRQ_LEVEL_NOT_EQUAL_OR_LESS" ...
those usually manifest themselves ad black holes, well at least the !div/0 errors do anyway... ;) ~Nitron.
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I mean just look at the sky, how many stars are there! There gotta be some other civilizations exist out there. If they do exist, who created them? Did the GOD who created the Earth also created them? What kind of cars do they drive, do they also have computers and internet too? What do they look like, do they look like us? Are they smarter than us? Think about it, it's kind of interesting.
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Jeffry J. Brickley wrote:
how narcissistic of us
The understanding that we (humans and Earth) are special, despite what we're told by secular scientists, is not narcissistic. I didn't say the stars are here for me.
Jeffry J. Brickley wrote:
So God encourages and perpetuates narcissism?
You set up a straw man, which is a logical flaw. However, there are many facts that support the Anthropic Principle, which supports the fact that we are, in fact, special. Barry Etter
Barry Etter wrote:
there are many facts that support the Anthropic Principle, which supports the fact that we are, in fact, special.
Only if the interpretation is that the entire 14 billion year distance that we can see is all there is. Some interpretations of the principle state that we live in just one bubble universe out of a huge landscape of possible universes. Our universe supporting us is no different then Earth supporting us. I don't believe one bit of it, there are too many unknowns to just accept that there are no higher organizing principles to physics or cosmology.
I can imagine the sinking feeling one would have after ordering my book, only to find a laughably ridiculous theory with demented logic once the book arrives - Mark McCutcheon
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I mean just look at the sky, how many stars are there! There gotta be some other civilizations exist out there. If they do exist, who created them? Did the GOD who created the Earth also created them? What kind of cars do they drive, do they also have computers and internet too? What do they look like, do they look like us? Are they smarter than us? Think about it, it's kind of interesting.
Link2006 wrote:
There gotta be some other civilizations exist out there.
Why? Direct-mail advertising to other planets is gonna be prohibitively expensive...
Link2006 wrote:
If they do exist, who created them? Did the GOD who created the Earth also created them?
Sure, why not.
Link2006 wrote:
Think about it, it's kind of interesting.
Not half interesting enough to deserve the time people spend thinking about it. It's a good setup for bad space opera - that's about it.
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I mean just look at the sky, how many stars are there! There gotta be some other civilizations exist out there. If they do exist, who created them? Did the GOD who created the Earth also created them? What kind of cars do they drive, do they also have computers and internet too? What do they look like, do they look like us? Are they smarter than us? Think about it, it's kind of interesting.
Link2006 wrote:
There gotta be some other civilizations exist out there.
The reason I can't say that I 'believe' in alien civilations is that the best arguments we have for them are all 'arguments from incredulity'. i.e. "How could there NOT be?". The problem with those types of arguments is that they assume we've got all of our i's dotted and t's crossed already - and certainly we don't. Failures of imagination are not proof. I'd really like to believe that there are alien civilations out there right now. I can't think of anything much more exciting that meeting sentient beings from totally different origins. But until some manner of contact is made, it's got to remain an "I just don't know" thing.
Link2006 wrote:
Did the GOD who created the Earth also created them?
Why not? The imagined creator of earth also created the imagined aliens. His Sauciness must have a truly lengthy noodles! (calling God 'imagined' is perfectly valid - we have no solid evidence either way. Don't get pissy with me, religous folks! :))
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I do. It would be awfully arrogant to assume we are a special case in the universe.
Link2006 wrote:
Did the GOD who created the Earth also created them?
I don't believe a god created any of it. regards, Paul Watson Ireland Feed Henry!
eh, stop bugging me about it, give it a couple of days, see what happens.
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Paul Watson wrote:
It would be awfully arrogant to assume we are a special case in the universe.
Naw. Special-cases are common as mud - it's arrogant to assume there's anything out there we'd recognize as at all similar to us. And if we weren't lonely geeks social animals, we likely wouldn't care. :rolleyes:
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Paul Watson wrote:
It would be awfully arrogant to assume we are a special case in the universe.
Naw. Special-cases are common as mud - it's arrogant to assume there's anything out there we'd recognize as at all similar to us. And if we weren't lonely geeks social animals, we likely wouldn't care. :rolleyes:
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I agree with you but still hold we aren't a special case. What we'd classify as an alien life form might not be anything like us but in the sentient life stakes (because we are probably to intolerant to accept advanced life that isn't sentient) it is. As for geeks... I hope to god we are unique or the universe is doomed ;) regards, Paul Watson Ireland Feed Henry!
eh, stop bugging me about it, give it a couple of days, see what happens.
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I mean just look at the sky, how many stars are there! There gotta be some other civilizations exist out there. If they do exist, who created them? Did the GOD who created the Earth also created them? What kind of cars do they drive, do they also have computers and internet too? What do they look like, do they look like us? Are they smarter than us? Think about it, it's kind of interesting.
I'd be suprised if there weren't. I don't know if we will ever be able to find out.
I can imagine the sinking feeling one would have after ordering my book, only to find a laughably ridiculous theory with demented logic once the book arrives - Mark McCutcheon
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Barry Etter wrote:
there are many facts that support the Anthropic Principle, which supports the fact that we are, in fact, special.
Only if the interpretation is that the entire 14 billion year distance that we can see is all there is. Some interpretations of the principle state that we live in just one bubble universe out of a huge landscape of possible universes. Our universe supporting us is no different then Earth supporting us. I don't believe one bit of it, there are too many unknowns to just accept that there are no higher organizing principles to physics or cosmology.
I can imagine the sinking feeling one would have after ordering my book, only to find a laughably ridiculous theory with demented logic once the book arrives - Mark McCutcheon
Andy Brummer wrote:
Only if the interpretation is that the entire 14 billion year distance that we can see is all there is
Who can see 14 billion years distance? Most humans are to blind to see something that happended yesterday or something that may will happen tomorrow. You can't even "see" any planet outside our solarsystem directly, you can just see "shadows" and interference of light. We just took same pictures of mars and venus. There might be a civilization on Jupiter and we just don't know (hey - just an example, I don't believe this). There might be hundreds of million planets with life on it and we don't know it and perhaps we'll never know it...
Andy Brummer wrote:
I don't believe one bit of it, there are too many unknowns to just accept that there are no higher organizing principles to physics or cosmology.
Well, when you look on the priciples you can see the godlike spark. :) ------------------------------ PROST Roleplaying Game War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left.
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I agree with you but still hold we aren't a special case. What we'd classify as an alien life form might not be anything like us but in the sentient life stakes (because we are probably to intolerant to accept advanced life that isn't sentient) it is. As for geeks... I hope to god we are unique or the universe is doomed ;) regards, Paul Watson Ireland Feed Henry!
eh, stop bugging me about it, give it a couple of days, see what happens.
Paul Watson wrote:
I agree with you but still hold we aren't a special case
I hope some of us humans are special cases. It can't be good for the universe if there would be more such stupid beings. ------------------------------ PROST Roleplaying Game War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left.
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Link2006 wrote:
There gotta be some other civilizations exist out there.
Why? Direct-mail advertising to other planets is gonna be prohibitively expensive...
Link2006 wrote:
If they do exist, who created them? Did the GOD who created the Earth also created them?
Sure, why not.
Link2006 wrote:
Think about it, it's kind of interesting.
Not half interesting enough to deserve the time people spend thinking about it. It's a good setup for bad space opera - that's about it.
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Shog9 wrote:
Not half interesting enough to deserve the time people spend thinking about it.
You know, I think you have a point there. There's definitely a coolness factor to finding life elsewhere in the universe, but beyond that so what? We haven't even come close to mastering communication amongst ourselves, what makes us think we can successfully speak with an alien race without royally screwing things up? I suppose we could just look at each other, but if we aren't going to communicate with them, there's little value in even knowing they exist. So the whole thing is a big waste of time and effort, at least for the time being. Though I suppose it would be nice to know exactly how far away we might potentially need to blow something up. BW
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
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Paul Watson wrote:
I agree with you but still hold we aren't a special case
I hope some of us humans are special cases. It can't be good for the universe if there would be more such stupid beings. ------------------------------ PROST Roleplaying Game War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left.
I hold that most humans are not stupid at all. regards, Paul Watson Ireland Feed Henry!
eh, stop bugging me about it, give it a couple of days, see what happens.
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I hold that most humans are not stupid at all. regards, Paul Watson Ireland Feed Henry!
eh, stop bugging me about it, give it a couple of days, see what happens.
Paul Watson wrote:
I hold that most humans are not stupid at all.
Well, I said "some" not "most", everything else would exceed the discussion of "aliens" in the universe :rolleyes: ------------------------------ PROST Roleplaying Game War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left.
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Shog9 wrote:
Not half interesting enough to deserve the time people spend thinking about it.
You know, I think you have a point there. There's definitely a coolness factor to finding life elsewhere in the universe, but beyond that so what? We haven't even come close to mastering communication amongst ourselves, what makes us think we can successfully speak with an alien race without royally screwing things up? I suppose we could just look at each other, but if we aren't going to communicate with them, there's little value in even knowing they exist. So the whole thing is a big waste of time and effort, at least for the time being. Though I suppose it would be nice to know exactly how far away we might potentially need to blow something up. BW
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
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Though I suppose it would be nice to know exactly how far away we might potentially need to blow something up.
Well in every thread (most times in the soapbox) there is someone who wants to blow something up, drop bombs or kill others. Sometimes I wonder if the codeproject might change to be the murder- or terroristproject. Normally it's e..... and know it's you. Shame on you! :^) ------------------------------ PROST Roleplaying Game War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left.
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Shog9 wrote:
Not half interesting enough to deserve the time people spend thinking about it.
You know, I think you have a point there. There's definitely a coolness factor to finding life elsewhere in the universe, but beyond that so what? We haven't even come close to mastering communication amongst ourselves, what makes us think we can successfully speak with an alien race without royally screwing things up? I suppose we could just look at each other, but if we aren't going to communicate with them, there's little value in even knowing they exist. So the whole thing is a big waste of time and effort, at least for the time being. Though I suppose it would be nice to know exactly how far away we might potentially need to blow something up. BW
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
-- Steven Wrightbrianwelsch wrote:
Though I suppose it would be nice to know exactly how far away we might potentially need to blow something up.
And that's what i think it'd end up boiling down to. If we judged them to be at least as technologically advanced as we are, then we'd need to come up with some sort of survelance program, and plan for ultra-long-range warfare, just in case. ...And if we judged them to be less advanced, we'd kindly enslave them and bring them up to date. :rolleyes:
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Stephen Hewitt wrote:
the speed of light
I think that there are two skills to discover: Time traveling and Space warp.
Maxwell Chen
My theory is premised on a simple idea: that there is no magic warp drive. Warp drive was invented to make science fiction more interesting: after all if, by the time you get to the alien home world, the human race is extinct and earth is a burnt out cinder it doesn't make for a very exciting plot. Everything that is possible to conceive need not to possible in reality. After all, if we knew the theory of everything it would be trivial to construct something that is impossible. Steve
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I agree with you but still hold we aren't a special case. What we'd classify as an alien life form might not be anything like us but in the sentient life stakes (because we are probably to intolerant to accept advanced life that isn't sentient) it is. As for geeks... I hope to god we are unique or the universe is doomed ;) regards, Paul Watson Ireland Feed Henry!
eh, stop bugging me about it, give it a couple of days, see what happens.
Paul Watson wrote:
because we are probably to intolerant to accept advanced life that isn't sentient
Yeah, 'cause we've a real history of tolerance towards sentient life. :rolleyes: If there is anything out there that we'd call "alive", it'd better know how to look like algae, 'cause that's probably all we'd be willing to let live*****. *****farm at great expense, and sell at even greater price to rich SciFi junkies.
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