Do you believe the existence of Aliens in other planets?
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I do. It would be awfully arrogant to assume we are a special case in the universe.
Link2006 wrote:
Did the GOD who created the Earth also created them?
I don't believe a god created any of it. regards, Paul Watson Ireland Feed Henry!
eh, stop bugging me about it, give it a couple of days, see what happens.
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Paul Watson wrote:
It would be awfully arrogant to assume we are a special case in the universe.
Naw. Special-cases are common as mud - it's arrogant to assume there's anything out there we'd recognize as at all similar to us. And if we weren't lonely geeks social animals, we likely wouldn't care. :rolleyes:
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Paul Watson wrote:
It would be awfully arrogant to assume we are a special case in the universe.
Naw. Special-cases are common as mud - it's arrogant to assume there's anything out there we'd recognize as at all similar to us. And if we weren't lonely geeks social animals, we likely wouldn't care. :rolleyes:
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I agree with you but still hold we aren't a special case. What we'd classify as an alien life form might not be anything like us but in the sentient life stakes (because we are probably to intolerant to accept advanced life that isn't sentient) it is. As for geeks... I hope to god we are unique or the universe is doomed ;) regards, Paul Watson Ireland Feed Henry!
eh, stop bugging me about it, give it a couple of days, see what happens.
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I mean just look at the sky, how many stars are there! There gotta be some other civilizations exist out there. If they do exist, who created them? Did the GOD who created the Earth also created them? What kind of cars do they drive, do they also have computers and internet too? What do they look like, do they look like us? Are they smarter than us? Think about it, it's kind of interesting.
I'd be suprised if there weren't. I don't know if we will ever be able to find out.
I can imagine the sinking feeling one would have after ordering my book, only to find a laughably ridiculous theory with demented logic once the book arrives - Mark McCutcheon
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Barry Etter wrote:
there are many facts that support the Anthropic Principle, which supports the fact that we are, in fact, special.
Only if the interpretation is that the entire 14 billion year distance that we can see is all there is. Some interpretations of the principle state that we live in just one bubble universe out of a huge landscape of possible universes. Our universe supporting us is no different then Earth supporting us. I don't believe one bit of it, there are too many unknowns to just accept that there are no higher organizing principles to physics or cosmology.
I can imagine the sinking feeling one would have after ordering my book, only to find a laughably ridiculous theory with demented logic once the book arrives - Mark McCutcheon
Andy Brummer wrote:
Only if the interpretation is that the entire 14 billion year distance that we can see is all there is
Who can see 14 billion years distance? Most humans are to blind to see something that happended yesterday or something that may will happen tomorrow. You can't even "see" any planet outside our solarsystem directly, you can just see "shadows" and interference of light. We just took same pictures of mars and venus. There might be a civilization on Jupiter and we just don't know (hey - just an example, I don't believe this). There might be hundreds of million planets with life on it and we don't know it and perhaps we'll never know it...
Andy Brummer wrote:
I don't believe one bit of it, there are too many unknowns to just accept that there are no higher organizing principles to physics or cosmology.
Well, when you look on the priciples you can see the godlike spark. :) ------------------------------ PROST Roleplaying Game War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left.
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I agree with you but still hold we aren't a special case. What we'd classify as an alien life form might not be anything like us but in the sentient life stakes (because we are probably to intolerant to accept advanced life that isn't sentient) it is. As for geeks... I hope to god we are unique or the universe is doomed ;) regards, Paul Watson Ireland Feed Henry!
eh, stop bugging me about it, give it a couple of days, see what happens.
Paul Watson wrote:
I agree with you but still hold we aren't a special case
I hope some of us humans are special cases. It can't be good for the universe if there would be more such stupid beings. ------------------------------ PROST Roleplaying Game War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left.
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Link2006 wrote:
There gotta be some other civilizations exist out there.
Why? Direct-mail advertising to other planets is gonna be prohibitively expensive...
Link2006 wrote:
If they do exist, who created them? Did the GOD who created the Earth also created them?
Sure, why not.
Link2006 wrote:
Think about it, it's kind of interesting.
Not half interesting enough to deserve the time people spend thinking about it. It's a good setup for bad space opera - that's about it.
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Shog9 wrote:
Not half interesting enough to deserve the time people spend thinking about it.
You know, I think you have a point there. There's definitely a coolness factor to finding life elsewhere in the universe, but beyond that so what? We haven't even come close to mastering communication amongst ourselves, what makes us think we can successfully speak with an alien race without royally screwing things up? I suppose we could just look at each other, but if we aren't going to communicate with them, there's little value in even knowing they exist. So the whole thing is a big waste of time and effort, at least for the time being. Though I suppose it would be nice to know exactly how far away we might potentially need to blow something up. BW
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
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Paul Watson wrote:
I agree with you but still hold we aren't a special case
I hope some of us humans are special cases. It can't be good for the universe if there would be more such stupid beings. ------------------------------ PROST Roleplaying Game War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left.
I hold that most humans are not stupid at all. regards, Paul Watson Ireland Feed Henry!
eh, stop bugging me about it, give it a couple of days, see what happens.
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I hold that most humans are not stupid at all. regards, Paul Watson Ireland Feed Henry!
eh, stop bugging me about it, give it a couple of days, see what happens.
Paul Watson wrote:
I hold that most humans are not stupid at all.
Well, I said "some" not "most", everything else would exceed the discussion of "aliens" in the universe :rolleyes: ------------------------------ PROST Roleplaying Game War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left.
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Shog9 wrote:
Not half interesting enough to deserve the time people spend thinking about it.
You know, I think you have a point there. There's definitely a coolness factor to finding life elsewhere in the universe, but beyond that so what? We haven't even come close to mastering communication amongst ourselves, what makes us think we can successfully speak with an alien race without royally screwing things up? I suppose we could just look at each other, but if we aren't going to communicate with them, there's little value in even knowing they exist. So the whole thing is a big waste of time and effort, at least for the time being. Though I suppose it would be nice to know exactly how far away we might potentially need to blow something up. BW
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
-- Steven Wrightbrianwelsch wrote:
Though I suppose it would be nice to know exactly how far away we might potentially need to blow something up.
Well in every thread (most times in the soapbox) there is someone who wants to blow something up, drop bombs or kill others. Sometimes I wonder if the codeproject might change to be the murder- or terroristproject. Normally it's e..... and know it's you. Shame on you! :^) ------------------------------ PROST Roleplaying Game War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left.
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Shog9 wrote:
Not half interesting enough to deserve the time people spend thinking about it.
You know, I think you have a point there. There's definitely a coolness factor to finding life elsewhere in the universe, but beyond that so what? We haven't even come close to mastering communication amongst ourselves, what makes us think we can successfully speak with an alien race without royally screwing things up? I suppose we could just look at each other, but if we aren't going to communicate with them, there's little value in even knowing they exist. So the whole thing is a big waste of time and effort, at least for the time being. Though I suppose it would be nice to know exactly how far away we might potentially need to blow something up. BW
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
-- Steven Wrightbrianwelsch wrote:
Though I suppose it would be nice to know exactly how far away we might potentially need to blow something up.
And that's what i think it'd end up boiling down to. If we judged them to be at least as technologically advanced as we are, then we'd need to come up with some sort of survelance program, and plan for ultra-long-range warfare, just in case. ...And if we judged them to be less advanced, we'd kindly enslave them and bring them up to date. :rolleyes:
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Stephen Hewitt wrote:
the speed of light
I think that there are two skills to discover: Time traveling and Space warp.
Maxwell Chen
My theory is premised on a simple idea: that there is no magic warp drive. Warp drive was invented to make science fiction more interesting: after all if, by the time you get to the alien home world, the human race is extinct and earth is a burnt out cinder it doesn't make for a very exciting plot. Everything that is possible to conceive need not to possible in reality. After all, if we knew the theory of everything it would be trivial to construct something that is impossible. Steve
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I agree with you but still hold we aren't a special case. What we'd classify as an alien life form might not be anything like us but in the sentient life stakes (because we are probably to intolerant to accept advanced life that isn't sentient) it is. As for geeks... I hope to god we are unique or the universe is doomed ;) regards, Paul Watson Ireland Feed Henry!
eh, stop bugging me about it, give it a couple of days, see what happens.
Paul Watson wrote:
because we are probably to intolerant to accept advanced life that isn't sentient
Yeah, 'cause we've a real history of tolerance towards sentient life. :rolleyes: If there is anything out there that we'd call "alive", it'd better know how to look like algae, 'cause that's probably all we'd be willing to let live*****. *****farm at great expense, and sell at even greater price to rich SciFi junkies.
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You gotta believe it. We are a fraction of a dust if the universe is an ocean (who's size is infinity!). Wont there be any other dust in the other part of the ocean?? not one, but millions would be there. Its our inability that we couldn't zoom past the pluto.lol. We dont need to go for other galaxies, even in Milky way, we are almost invisible, why take the earth, The sun, huh even the solar system is invisilbe when you look at the milkyway. So even in our own galaxy, there are too many possibilities that guys are out there too. who knows the story behind the "Bob" icon. Aliens are more intelligent that they can disguise themselves as humans and do excellent works on the internet and I guess they are very generous too ;)
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I'm not sure if the cosmologists actually believe the universe is infinite - But I'm no expert. If the universe expanded from a singularity (which is a point) and has only been expanding for a finite period of time it hasn't had time to reach infinite size: after all, it would take an infinite amount of time to reach that size. Again however, I'm no expert in these matters. Steve
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That's an easy question because The Creator tells us all about it. Genesis 1 mentions everything God created, including the heavens. There is no mention of Him putting life up there. Man was created to rule over the earth (Gen 1:26) and was created in the likeness of God (Gen 1:27). Then why are the stars there, you may ask? Gen 1:14-18 "'...to separate the day from the night, and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days and years; and let them be for lights in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth'; and it was so. And God made the two great lights, the greater light to govern the day, and the lesser light to govern the night; He made the stars also. And God placed them in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth, and to govern the day and the night, and to separate the light from the darkness; and God saw that it was good." So the stars are there for us! A good answer is also given here: UFOs and aliens—is there something going on?[^] Barry Etter
Barry Etter wrote:
So the stars are there for us!
In that case I hope we don't make as big a mess out of them as we have the earth. Steve
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Andy Brummer wrote:
Only if the interpretation is that the entire 14 billion year distance that we can see is all there is
Who can see 14 billion years distance? Most humans are to blind to see something that happended yesterday or something that may will happen tomorrow. You can't even "see" any planet outside our solarsystem directly, you can just see "shadows" and interference of light. We just took same pictures of mars and venus. There might be a civilization on Jupiter and we just don't know (hey - just an example, I don't believe this). There might be hundreds of million planets with life on it and we don't know it and perhaps we'll never know it...
Andy Brummer wrote:
I don't believe one bit of it, there are too many unknowns to just accept that there are no higher organizing principles to physics or cosmology.
Well, when you look on the priciples you can see the godlike spark. :) ------------------------------ PROST Roleplaying Game War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left.
ihoecken wrote:
Who can see 14 billion years distance?
I believe he is referring to the cosmological speed of light issue related to observing across great distances. When we look at the nearest stars only a few light years away, we are looking at the light that left that location a few years earlier so we are in fact observing what has already been. As we observe the billions of light years of the visible universe we are looking farther and farther back in time because it took the light so many years to reach us that the star may not even be there anymore that produced the light that we are observing now. We are looking across 14 billion years as well as 14 billion light years distance even though we are only observing it now. _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Link2006 wrote:
I mean just look at the sky, how many stars are there! There gotta be some other civilizations exist out there.
Upto this you seem to be sensible. NULL
Meat Loaf wrote:
I mean just look at the sky, how many stars are there! There gotta be some other civilizations exist out there.
Meat Loaf wrote:
Upto this you seem to be sensible.
There is sound statistical logic to Link's comment. Steve
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Maxwell Chen wrote:
There still be the chances to see "Access violation 0xC0000005" or Blue Screen "IRQ_LEVEL_NOT_EQUAL_OR_LESS" ...
those usually manifest themselves ad black holes, well at least the !div/0 errors do anyway... ;) ~Nitron.
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startNitron wrote:
ad black holes, well at least the !div/0 errors do anyway...
I believe that a black hole would be a div/infinite error rather than a divide by 0. divide by 0 might be found in quasars or dark-matter, but since we don't fully understand either. :) _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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I'm not sure if the cosmologists actually believe the universe is infinite - But I'm no expert. If the universe expanded from a singularity (which is a point) and has only been expanding for a finite period of time it hasn't had time to reach infinite size: after all, it would take an infinite amount of time to reach that size. Again however, I'm no expert in these matters. Steve
Stephen Hewitt wrote:
If the universe expanded from a singularity (which is a point) and has only been expanding for a finite period of time it hasn't had time to reach infinite size
Well sometimes the term "singularities" is used - multiple points were different "universes" started and will start from.
Stephen Hewitt wrote:
I'm not sure if the cosmologists actually believe the universe is infinite - But I'm no expert
Some do, some not. Some say the universe is infinite because of curved space. So the space it finite, but the concept is infinite. I can't explain it in english I miss some terms, so I can't describe it better. :sigh: Greetings, Ingo ------------------------------ PROST Roleplaying Game War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left.
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Phil Harding wrote:
is just the product of my own delusions, including you lot
You have nightmares that often? have you consulted someone about that? ;P _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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ihoecken wrote:
Who can see 14 billion years distance?
I believe he is referring to the cosmological speed of light issue related to observing across great distances. When we look at the nearest stars only a few light years away, we are looking at the light that left that location a few years earlier so we are in fact observing what has already been. As we observe the billions of light years of the visible universe we are looking farther and farther back in time because it took the light so many years to reach us that the star may not even be there anymore that produced the light that we are observing now. We are looking across 14 billion years as well as 14 billion light years distance even though we are only observing it now. _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
Jeffry J. Brickley wrote:
I believe he is referring to the cosmological speed of light issue related to observing across great distances.
Yes, I know. It was a little bit sarcastic, sorry. But the point is you may see suns in that distance but no planets, no spaceships, no buildings, no beings. ------------------------------ PROST Roleplaying Game War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left.