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  • R Raj Lal

    1/2 + 1/3 + 1/4 + 1/5 + 1/6 + 1/7 + 1/8 ...... When will the sum of this series exceed 100 ? Will it EVER ? For the thinkers, Why does a candle extinguishes when we blow on it? (Never paid attention to it, right?) Looks simple but it isn't ! * you are right, this guy has got nothing to do... but if you read this we are in the same boat --- My Unedited article^

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    QuiJohn
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    After 5 billion it's only up to about 21.9. It could be a while. :)

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    • S Smitha Nishant

      Nishant Sivakumar wrote:

      blow the air away creating a small vacuum pocket

      :omg::omg::omg: Every problem has a gift for you in its hands. -- Richard Bach

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      Chris Losinger
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      do you know how airplane wings work? Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker

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        do you know how airplane wings work? Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker

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        Nish Nishant
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        Chris Losinger wrote:

        do you know how airplane wings work?

        That works on the vacuum principle too, eh? Regards, Nish


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          Quartz... wrote:

          When will the sum of this series exceed 100 ?

          e100? Jon Sagara When I grow up, I'm changing my name to Joe Kickass! My Site | My Blog | My Articles -- modified at 15:12 Tuesday 9th May, 2006

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          Russell Morris
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          The series for e^x is more complicated than that: e^x = 1 + x + x^2/2! + x^3/3! + ... + x^n/n! + ... where n is an integer and goes from 0 to infinity If you differentiate term n of this series, you find that you get term n-1 as a result. That's why the derivative of e^x is still e^x :) I always liked that for some reason.

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          • R Raj Lal

            1/2 + 1/3 + 1/4 + 1/5 + 1/6 + 1/7 + 1/8 ...... When will the sum of this series exceed 100 ? Will it EVER ? For the thinkers, Why does a candle extinguishes when we blow on it? (Never paid attention to it, right?) Looks simple but it isn't ! * you are right, this guy has got nothing to do... but if you read this we are in the same boat --- My Unedited article^

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            Richard Andrew x64
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            The sum will never even reach the number 1, much less exceed 100. And the candle gets extinguished from the carbon dioxide in our breath. Rich ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸

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            • N Nish Nishant

              Chris Losinger wrote:

              do you know how airplane wings work?

              That works on the vacuum principle too, eh? Regards, Nish


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              Chris Losinger
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              Nishant Sivakumar wrote:

              That works on the vacuum principle too, eh?

              a wing will create small pockets of (partial) vacuum as air moves around it. it's under debate as to whether this is the actual source of lift or not. Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker

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                Quartz... wrote:

                For the thinkers, Why does a candle extinguishes when we blow on it? (Never paid attention to it, right?) Looks simple but it isn't !

                Because you are blowing away the fuel for the flame, i.e. the vaporized candle wax.

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                Raj Lal
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                You got it right. Here is your prize Up [^] --- My Unedited article^

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                • Richard Andrew x64R Richard Andrew x64

                  The sum will never even reach the number 1, much less exceed 100. And the candle gets extinguished from the carbon dioxide in our breath. Rich ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸

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                  Wjousts
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                  Funny, 'cos I'm up to 34000000000 or so and I've got a total of nearly 24 which is clearly more than 1. Look at the sequence more carefully. It's not 1/2 + 1/4 + 1/8 +....

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                  • Richard Andrew x64R Richard Andrew x64

                    The sum will never even reach the number 1, much less exceed 100. And the candle gets extinguished from the carbon dioxide in our breath. Rich ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸

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                    Nish Nishant
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                    Troposphere wrote:

                    The sum will never even reach the number 1, much less exceed 100.

                    You are kidding, right? :omg: It crosses 1 after the 3rd fraction in the series. 1/2 + 1/3 + 1/4 = 1.08333 Regards, Nish


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                    • R Raj Lal

                      You got it right. Here is your prize Up [^] --- My Unedited article^

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                      Wjousts
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                      Woohoo! Now that's a big candle. Need a lot of puff to blow that one out. That's what she said ;)

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                      • Richard Andrew x64R Richard Andrew x64

                        The sum will never even reach the number 1, much less exceed 100. And the candle gets extinguished from the carbon dioxide in our breath. Rich ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸

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                        Raj Lal
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                        Troposphere wrote:

                        And the candle gets extinguished from the carbon dioxide in our breath.

                        And if you blow air by some other method it won't ? --- My Unedited article^

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                        • R Raj Lal

                          1/2 + 1/3 + 1/4 + 1/5 + 1/6 + 1/7 + 1/8 ...... When will the sum of this series exceed 100 ? Will it EVER ? For the thinkers, Why does a candle extinguishes when we blow on it? (Never paid attention to it, right?) Looks simple but it isn't ! * you are right, this guy has got nothing to do... but if you read this we are in the same boat --- My Unedited article^

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                          Dan Neely
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                          I want to say this is a nonconverging series, but it's been a long time since I did those in math, and google ignores /'s even when they're inside of quotes.

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                          • R Raj Lal

                            1/2 + 1/3 + 1/4 + 1/5 + 1/6 + 1/7 + 1/8 ...... When will the sum of this series exceed 100 ? Will it EVER ? For the thinkers, Why does a candle extinguishes when we blow on it? (Never paid attention to it, right?) Looks simple but it isn't ! * you are right, this guy has got nothing to do... but if you read this we are in the same boat --- My Unedited article^

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                            Raj Lal
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                            OK lets divide it in two parts Question 1

                            Quartz... wrote:

                            When will the sum of this series exceed 100 ?

                            Question 2

                            Quartz... wrote:

                            Will it EVER ?

                            simple looking problems, are sometimes the most challenging ones. --- My Unedited article^

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                              Quartz... wrote:

                              Why does a candle extinguishes when we blow on it?

                              We blow the air away creating a small vacuum pocket and a fire cannot burn in a vacuum. That's my guess anyway :-) Regards, Nish


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                              Jerry Hammond
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                              I usually clean the wax out of my ears for that effect... Asking someone to define CP is like asking someone to define art. It is a known, a tangable thing, a state of being. To define it is to limit and miss its true nature.

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                              • D Dan Neely

                                I want to say this is a nonconverging series, but it's been a long time since I did those in math, and google ignores /'s even when they're inside of quotes.

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                                Chris Losinger
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                                it's very close to the Harmonic Series[^], it just starts with i=2, instead of i=1. Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker

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                                • D Dan Neely

                                  I want to say this is a nonconverging series, but it's been a long time since I did those in math, and google ignores /'s even when they're inside of quotes.

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                                  Raj Lal
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                                  Mathworld here[^] --- My Unedited article^

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                                  • C Chris Losinger

                                    Nishant Sivakumar wrote:

                                    That works on the vacuum principle too, eh?

                                    a wing will create small pockets of (partial) vacuum as air moves around it. it's under debate as to whether this is the actual source of lift or not. Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker

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                                    Marc Clifton
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                                    Chris Losinger wrote:

                                    it's under debate as to whether this is the actual source of lift or not.

                                    You mean they still don't know? I've always been told that's why the plane lifts (but honestly, I never quite believed it. Just stick your hand out a moving car window and it seems that the angle of attack has a major affect as well, though maybe that's BECAUSE of the low pressure on the back of one's hand). Marc Pensieve Some people believe what the bible says. Literally. At least [with Wikipedia] you have the chance to correct the wiki -- Jörgen Sigvardsson

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                                      Chris Losinger wrote:

                                      it's under debate as to whether this is the actual source of lift or not.

                                      You mean they still don't know? I've always been told that's why the plane lifts (but honestly, I never quite believed it. Just stick your hand out a moving car window and it seems that the angle of attack has a major affect as well, though maybe that's BECAUSE of the low pressure on the back of one's hand). Marc Pensieve Some people believe what the bible says. Literally. At least [with Wikipedia] you have the chance to correct the wiki -- Jörgen Sigvardsson

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                                      Nish Nishant
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                                      Marc Clifton wrote:

                                      You mean they still don't know?

                                      Explains those bumpy rides, and if you are flying Air Canada or a domestic Indian airline, the bumpy part of the ride is seriously stressed upon! Regards, Nish


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                                      • R Raj Lal

                                        OK lets divide it in two parts Question 1

                                        Quartz... wrote:

                                        When will the sum of this series exceed 100 ?

                                        Question 2

                                        Quartz... wrote:

                                        Will it EVER ?

                                        simple looking problems, are sometimes the most challenging ones. --- My Unedited article^

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                                        Wjousts
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                                        Quartz... wrote:

                                        Question 1 Quartz... wrote: When will the sum of this series exceed 100 ?

                                        Don't know. Some very large number, I'm up to around 58000000000 and it's only at about 24.36 doing this by brute force. I'm sure this is some known sequence and there is some very clever and simple way to calculate it, but I'm not up to the challenge.

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                                        Question 2 Quartz... wrote: Will it EVER ?

                                        I'm pretty sure it has to eventually. The number keeps growing but by progressively smaller steps, but it still keeps growing. Shouldn't you ask question 2 first?

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                                        • M Marc Clifton

                                          Chris Losinger wrote:

                                          it's under debate as to whether this is the actual source of lift or not.

                                          You mean they still don't know? I've always been told that's why the plane lifts (but honestly, I never quite believed it. Just stick your hand out a moving car window and it seems that the angle of attack has a major affect as well, though maybe that's BECAUSE of the low pressure on the back of one's hand). Marc Pensieve Some people believe what the bible says. Literally. At least [with Wikipedia] you have the chance to correct the wiki -- Jörgen Sigvardsson

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                                          Chris Losinger
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                                          Marc Clifton wrote:

                                          You mean they still don't know?

                                          this site[^] explains it pretty well, i think. but it's not the traditioinal Bernoulli's explanation (high pressure below, low pressure above). this one explains it as: The lift of a wing is proportional to the amount of air diverted down times the downward velocity of that air. so, some might know, but the rest of the world disagrees. Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker

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