C++ again :-) (Does C# make you dumber?)
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Just got a 6-month contract with a client. I'll spend the time at their location coding C++... It's good to get my hands on a C++ compiler again, I've spent way too much time in C#. I know it's not popular to say, but I still think C# makes programmers dumber and more lazy, not to mention that it's way more boring than C++ ;) - Anders My new photo website[^]
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If you get paid by the hour, C++ is much better than C# ... more mistakes possible, more time needed to fix them, more hours for you. :cool: _____________________________________________________________________________ I don't expect too much, all I want is your vote for Halbsichtigkeit.
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Just got a 6-month contract with a client. I'll spend the time at their location coding C++... It's good to get my hands on a C++ compiler again, I've spent way too much time in C#. I know it's not popular to say, but I still think C# makes programmers dumber and more lazy, not to mention that it's way more boring than C++ ;) - Anders My new photo website[^]
No one loves C++ more than I do, but I don't have a clue as to why any one would actually want to do windows/web application development with it. "You get that which you tolerate"
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Just got a 6-month contract with a client. I'll spend the time at their location coding C++... It's good to get my hands on a C++ compiler again, I've spent way too much time in C#. I know it's not popular to say, but I still think C# makes programmers dumber and more lazy, not to mention that it's way more boring than C++ ;) - Anders My new photo website[^]
Anders Molin wrote:
It's good to get my hands on a C++ compiler again, I've spent way too much time in C#.
I know the feeling :) I spent a good part of 1994 2004 and 1995 2005 (:doh:) using C# as the primary language (along with some Managed C++) and C++ only for maintenance and it felt very good to get back to pure C++. Not only the language is more powerful, but the coworkers are more skillful and professional - there were too many ex-VB'ers around in the C# days :| The only downside is the platform: Linux. While it is fun to use vi, debugging with gdb is a royal pain.
My programming blahblahblah blog. If you ever find anything useful here, please let me know to remove it. -- modified at 7:02 Tuesday 13th June, 2006
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Anders Molin wrote:
It's good to get my hands on a C++ compiler again, I've spent way too much time in C#.
I know the feeling :) I spent a good part of 1994 2004 and 1995 2005 (:doh:) using C# as the primary language (along with some Managed C++) and C++ only for maintenance and it felt very good to get back to pure C++. Not only the language is more powerful, but the coworkers are more skillful and professional - there were too many ex-VB'ers around in the C# days :| The only downside is the platform: Linux. While it is fun to use vi, debugging with gdb is a royal pain.
My programming blahblahblah blog. If you ever find anything useful here, please let me know to remove it. -- modified at 7:02 Tuesday 13th June, 2006
1994? Thats pretty early adoption :)
Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:
While it is fun to use vi
:omg: Ryan
"Michael Moore and Mel Gibson are the same person, except for a few sit-ups. Moore thought his cheesy political blooper reel was going to tell people how to vote. Mel thought that his little gay SM movie about his imaginary friend was going to help him get to heaven." - Penn Jillette
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Anders Molin wrote:
It's good to get my hands on a C++ compiler again, I've spent way too much time in C#.
I know the feeling :) I spent a good part of 1994 2004 and 1995 2005 (:doh:) using C# as the primary language (along with some Managed C++) and C++ only for maintenance and it felt very good to get back to pure C++. Not only the language is more powerful, but the coworkers are more skillful and professional - there were too many ex-VB'ers around in the C# days :| The only downside is the platform: Linux. While it is fun to use vi, debugging with gdb is a royal pain.
My programming blahblahblah blog. If you ever find anything useful here, please let me know to remove it. -- modified at 7:02 Tuesday 13th June, 2006
While it is fun to use vi Masochist! :laugh: '--8<------------------------ Ex Datis: Duncan Jones Merrion Computing Ltd
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Anders Molin wrote:
It's good to get my hands on a C++ compiler again, I've spent way too much time in C#.
I know the feeling :) I spent a good part of 1994 2004 and 1995 2005 (:doh:) using C# as the primary language (along with some Managed C++) and C++ only for maintenance and it felt very good to get back to pure C++. Not only the language is more powerful, but the coworkers are more skillful and professional - there were too many ex-VB'ers around in the C# days :| The only downside is the platform: Linux. While it is fun to use vi, debugging with gdb is a royal pain.
My programming blahblahblah blog. If you ever find anything useful here, please let me know to remove it. -- modified at 7:02 Tuesday 13th June, 2006
Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:
I spent a good part of 1994 and 1995 using C# as the primary language
Wow, you were really ahead of the game!
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Anders Molin wrote:
It's good to get my hands on a C++ compiler again, I've spent way too much time in C#.
I know the feeling :) I spent a good part of 1994 2004 and 1995 2005 (:doh:) using C# as the primary language (along with some Managed C++) and C++ only for maintenance and it felt very good to get back to pure C++. Not only the language is more powerful, but the coworkers are more skillful and professional - there were too many ex-VB'ers around in the C# days :| The only downside is the platform: Linux. While it is fun to use vi, debugging with gdb is a royal pain.
My programming blahblahblah blog. If you ever find anything useful here, please let me know to remove it. -- modified at 7:02 Tuesday 13th June, 2006
Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:
I spent a good part of 1994 and 1995 using C# as the primary language
What are you talking about? :wtf: ลก Cheers, Vikram.
I don't know and you don't either. Militant Agnostic
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Just got a 6-month contract with a client. I'll spend the time at their location coding C++... It's good to get my hands on a C++ compiler again, I've spent way too much time in C#. I know it's not popular to say, but I still think C# makes programmers dumber and more lazy, not to mention that it's way more boring than C++ ;) - Anders My new photo website[^]
My work for Code Project is currently all C++, and I am loving it. Having said that, I still enjoy the C# work that I do. I'd love to do some ASP.NET 2.0 work, Winforms is getting a bit boring though, I have to admit. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
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1994? Thats pretty early adoption :)
Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:
While it is fun to use vi
:omg: Ryan
"Michael Moore and Mel Gibson are the same person, except for a few sit-ups. Moore thought his cheesy political blooper reel was going to tell people how to vote. Mel thought that his little gay SM movie about his imaginary friend was going to help him get to heaven." - Penn Jillette
Ryan Roberts wrote:
1994? Thats pretty early adoption
Nah, it's just too early here and I didn't have my morning cofee yet :)
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Anders Molin wrote:
Does C# make you dum
No it makes me more productive on every aspect of windows programming. Never send a human to do a machine's job Agent Smith
norm.net wrote:
No it makes me more productive on every aspect of windows programming.
Then you should have switched to VB 10 years ago :)
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norm.net wrote:
No it makes me more productive on every aspect of windows programming.
Then you should have switched to VB 10 years ago :)
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No you're missing the 'more productive' part of my statement ;P Any I've done my 10 year stint with MFC/COM/ATL/Win32 find c# and .net a refreshing change, plus I get to design some really good UIs which would of taken man years in MFC/WTL. Never send a human to do a machine's job Agent Smith
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Anders Molin wrote:
It's good to get my hands on a C++ compiler again, I've spent way too much time in C#.
I know the feeling :) I spent a good part of 1994 2004 and 1995 2005 (:doh:) using C# as the primary language (along with some Managed C++) and C++ only for maintenance and it felt very good to get back to pure C++. Not only the language is more powerful, but the coworkers are more skillful and professional - there were too many ex-VB'ers around in the C# days :| The only downside is the platform: Linux. While it is fun to use vi, debugging with gdb is a royal pain.
My programming blahblahblah blog. If you ever find anything useful here, please let me know to remove it. -- modified at 7:02 Tuesday 13th June, 2006
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No you're missing the 'more productive' part of my statement ;P Any I've done my 10 year stint with MFC/COM/ATL/Win32 find c# and .net a refreshing change, plus I get to design some really good UIs which would of taken man years in MFC/WTL. Never send a human to do a machine's job Agent Smith
norm.net wrote:
Any I've done my 10 year stint with MFC/COM/ATL/Win32 find c# and .net a refreshing change, plus I get to design some really good UIs which would of taken man years in MFC/WTL.
Again, how's that different from VB6? I used it and it was really great for putting some UI together quickly, just like with C# and WinForms. ASP.NET is way more advanced than "classic" ASP, but for desktop form-based applications I see no real advantage of .NET compared to VB6.
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Anders Molin wrote:
Does C# make you dum
No it makes me more productive on every aspect of windows programming. Never send a human to do a machine's job Agent Smith
norm.net wrote:
on every aspect of windows programming
Oh yeah? Write one of the following in C#: Service, device driver, Shell extension, SNMP extension DLL, ISAPI extension, the list goes on. Any software that integrates with the operating system (at least under XP), by definition, can not be implemented in C#, or any other managed language for that matter. The situation may be different under Vista, as MS is moving toward managed interfaces for more OS functionality. C# is not the universal hammer for every nail in the Windows programming world.
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norm.net wrote:
on every aspect of windows programming
Oh yeah? Write one of the following in C#: Service, device driver, Shell extension, SNMP extension DLL, ISAPI extension, the list goes on. Any software that integrates with the operating system (at least under XP), by definition, can not be implemented in C#, or any other managed language for that matter. The situation may be different under Vista, as MS is moving toward managed interfaces for more OS functionality. C# is not the universal hammer for every nail in the Windows programming world.
Software Zen:
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norm.net wrote:
on every aspect of windows programming
Oh yeah? Write one of the following in C#: Service, device driver, Shell extension, SNMP extension DLL, ISAPI extension, the list goes on. Any software that integrates with the operating system (at least under XP), by definition, can not be implemented in C#, or any other managed language for that matter. The situation may be different under Vista, as MS is moving toward managed interfaces for more OS functionality. C# is not the universal hammer for every nail in the Windows programming world.
Software Zen:
delete this;Service - Can be done! Device Driver - No Shell Extension - Can be done with interop SNMP extension - No ISAPI extension - No But there again I don't program these models daily, do you? If I need to do any of the follow I'd probably revert to ATL, which I have no problems with and I am quite experienced in using. For instance I'm developing a networking discovery tool which scans multiple lans to ather information about DNS/ARP/Netbios/Ping/WMI/SNMP etc and produces nice results/diagrams ALL written using C#, this type of application would of taken months to develop using tradition methods (ATL/MFC/WTL/etc etc.) - get the point. I use C# because it allows me to get the job done quicker. C# is not the universal hammer for every nail in the Windows programming world. Yes I totally agree, but I've found over the past 3 years, where I was using C++, I'm using C#. Never send a human to do a machine's job Agent Smith -- modified at 7:58 Tuesday 13th June, 2006
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norm.net wrote:
Any I've done my 10 year stint with MFC/COM/ATL/Win32 find c# and .net a refreshing change, plus I get to design some really good UIs which would of taken man years in MFC/WTL.
Again, how's that different from VB6? I used it and it was really great for putting some UI together quickly, just like with C# and WinForms. ASP.NET is way more advanced than "classic" ASP, but for desktop form-based applications I see no real advantage of .NET compared to VB6.
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Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:
Again, how's that different from VB6? I
Richer framework, making fine granular custom controls (like masked edit boxes/grids etc). You obviously don't use .net that well, we can discuss all day, you have the right to your opinions and I have mine, maybe your right, .net is a waste of time and we should stick with VB6 (not that I have or would ever use it X| ) :zzz: Never send a human to do a machine's job Agent Smith
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My work for Code Project is currently all C++, and I am loving it. Having said that, I still enjoy the C# work that I do. I'd love to do some ASP.NET 2.0 work, Winforms is getting a bit boring though, I have to admit. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
I have been doing nothing but asp.net for the last 4 years. With 2.0 they finally have web programming done right. It only took until 2005, but finally they did it right. ASP.Net is the most fun in my opinion because you code C#, JavaScript and HTML. You really have to know all 3 as well as SQL. On the C++, I've never used it at work and can't imagine having to. It would simply be over kill for business applications. how vital enterprise application are for proactive organizations leveraging collective synergy to think outside the box and formulate their key objectives into a win-win game plan with a quality-driven approach that focuses on empowering key players to drive-up their core competencies and increase expectations with an all-around initiative to drive up the bottom-line. But of course, that's all a "high level" overview of things --thedailywtf 3/21/06
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If you get paid by the hour, C++ is much better than C# ... more mistakes possible, more time needed to fix them, more hours for you. :cool: _____________________________________________________________________________ I don't expect too much, all I want is your vote for Halbsichtigkeit.
I don't now about the rest of you, but I spend significantly more time on new code than I do going back to fix bugs in old code. Maybe Mr. Corinna has found a comfort zone in C# that was unattainable for him in C++. ;P
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