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Fisticuffs wrote:
To kill someone to save a life is a sum of zero.
I sure am glad that our military and police forces dont think that way. Stand rigid for the next battle Peace means reloading your guns The love for life is all hatred in disguise - Dimmu Borgir
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Judah Himango wrote:
For people that don't believe in God, such as yourself, is there real good living in your life? Are you doing whatever you see fit, or do you have personal rules that guide you? If you've personal rules, how do those rules stand up when tested?
As far as my conduct with others goes i'm a reciprocal altruist who starts out nice and will attempt to resolve conflict in a reasonable manner. I often wish I did volunteer work, and I donate money to causes that I believe do good. I do not (probably could not) live my life for others in the true Christian or Buddhist sense though, and I don't think many believers do either. I am far too selfish. Some people seem more capable of acts of total selflessness than others and I do not believe that can be driven purely by faith. Having been living in sin for a couple of years I can discuss the porn issue with some experience. As a single man, I used pornography pretty heavily. Now my context has changed, I do not to anywhere near the same extent and feel guilt when I do. This is due to empathy with my girlfriend, not an absolute prohibition. I know people who mutually use porn in their relationships, for them it is a different choice. Whether it's conductive to a healthy long term relationship in those circumstances, I can't really say, not enough evidence, not my relationship. I certainly don't have any moral qualms about watching explicit (not porn in the commercial sense) films with my girlfriend, as its the furtive masturbation that's the moral issue, not the pixels. Can I live up to my ideals? Generaly not. Which might imply that I at least try to set them higher than the way I know that I am inclined to behave :) Ryan
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Ryan Roberts wrote:
and I don't think many believers do either
Very true what you say about living for others. I have trouble with it myself. It's very tough in practice; it takes a lot of humility, I can tell you that. It's tough, and I'm not very good at it yet. :) As for pornography, you know, it has nearly ruined my life on several occassions. Just be careful, my friend. Maybe it's not the same for all guys, but for me, it kept getting worse and worse with myself needing more and longer "highs" each time. Like an addictive drug, really. It truely has been a God-intervening-and-setting-things-straight that scooped me out of that mess. That's why I'm so crazy about God all the time, he's saved my life from me throwing it away. Now that I'm living a cleaner life and he set me up with so many good things, wow, it's like a fresh cool wind blowing into a hot house, God has cleared the air for me personally. Praise God for that, man! :)
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Judah Himango wrote:
There is law which we say to be God's Law; something Messiah boiled all down into 2 laws: love God, and love others. Those are not man-made. Of course, you might believe them to be man made; it's all differences stemming from belief versus disbelief.
The biggest problem I have with organized religion is that most of the laws that are preached to us by so called "men of God" are man's interpretation of God's law as filtered through the interpreter's eyes, wants, needs and beliefs (and sometimes lies!). Many organized religions (and that's what this whole thread boils down to, that organized religions are causing most of the world's problems because of the inherent intolerence against other organized religions) say "our way is the one true religion and all the rest shall be damned" when MY belief is that God will accept us regardless of which religion we follow as long as the basic tenents of that belief are to do no harm. Do I believe in a supreme being? Yes. Do I believe I have to get together with a bunch of like minded people in worship? No, because it's between me and and God and nobody has the right to come between us. Do I believe that Jesus was God's son made flesh? I have to say yes simply because according to what I understand from the bible we're all God's children. Was there something special about him? I can say it's possible but I don't know with any level of certainty (hense the lower case "h" in the previous sentence). And quite honestly, neither does anyone else alive today unless that person happens to be 2000+ years old. So does that mean I'm going to burn in hell? If you're right then yes, but if none of the organized religions are right, then no. Mike Poz
I sympathize with your views on organized religion. I'm not a fan of it myself, been burned too much. Too many people use religion as a way to control others and "put them in their place". I'm more focused, at least at this point in my life, on a life of living for God and others, with a real relationship with God. I'm just trying to live a Godly life best I see fit. I also agree we are all God's children no matter what religion we adhere to. That's why I'm pretty set on getting along with people like Adnan, no matter how much we tend to disagree. For me, I'm putting my bet on Jesus. I think he's proven himself to be the Messiah spoken of. But better yet, he lived and commanded us to live the most Godly way I've ever heard of: to love God and love other people. I don't think there's any better way to live your life, so I'm betting my life wholly on this Messiah fellow. :)
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Judah Himango wrote:
For people that don't believe in God, such as yourself, is there real good living in your life? Are you doing whatever you see fit, or do you have personal rules that guide you? If you've personal rules, how do those rules stand up when tested?
As far as my conduct with others goes i'm a reciprocal altruist who starts out nice and will attempt to resolve conflict in a reasonable manner. I often wish I did volunteer work, and I donate money to causes that I believe do good. I do not (probably could not) live my life for others in the true Christian or Buddhist sense though, and I don't think many believers do either. I am far too selfish. Some people seem more capable of acts of total selflessness than others and I do not believe that can be driven purely by faith. Having been living in sin for a couple of years I can discuss the porn issue with some experience. As a single man, I used pornography pretty heavily. Now my context has changed, I do not to anywhere near the same extent and feel guilt when I do. This is due to empathy with my girlfriend, not an absolute prohibition. I know people who mutually use porn in their relationships, for them it is a different choice. Whether it's conductive to a healthy long term relationship in those circumstances, I can't really say, not enough evidence, not my relationship. I certainly don't have any moral qualms about watching explicit (not porn in the commercial sense) films with my girlfriend, as its the furtive masturbation that's the moral issue, not the pixels. Can I live up to my ideals? Generaly not. Which might imply that I at least try to set them higher than the way I know that I am inclined to behave :) Ryan
"Michael Moore and Mel Gibson are the same person, except for a few sit-ups. Moore thought his cheesy political blooper reel was going to tell people how to vote. Mel thought that his little gay SM movie about his imaginary friend was going to help him get to heaven." - Penn Jillette
Ryan Roberts wrote:
Can I live up to my ideals? Generaly not. Which might imply that I at least try to set them higher than the way I know that I am inclined to behave
I would say that no one here can live up to their ideal. The Apostle Paul called himself wretched, and the chiefest of sinners. He said that his spirit wanted him to do what was right, but his flesh was constantly in conflict making him do the opposite. Yet, he praised Christ for his forgiveness in spite of our sinful nature. If Paul struggled with sin and still won the race, it gives me all the more confidence that I can do it too. But only in Christ is it fully possible to win.
"Live long and prosper." - Spock
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I sympathize with your views on organized religion. I'm not a fan of it myself, been burned too much. Too many people use religion as a way to control others and "put them in their place". I'm more focused, at least at this point in my life, on a life of living for God and others, with a real relationship with God. I'm just trying to live a Godly life best I see fit. I also agree we are all God's children no matter what religion we adhere to. That's why I'm pretty set on getting along with people like Adnan, no matter how much we tend to disagree. For me, I'm putting my bet on Jesus. I think he's proven himself to be the Messiah spoken of. But better yet, he lived and commanded us to live the most Godly way I've ever heard of: to love God and love other people. I don't think there's any better way to live your life, so I'm betting my life wholly on this Messiah fellow. :)
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Judah Himango wrote:
For me, I'm putting my bet on Jesus. I think he's proven himself to be the Messiah spoken of. But better yet, he lived and commanded us to live the most Godly way I've ever heard of: to love God and love other people. I don't think there's any better way to live your life, so I'm betting my life wholly on this Messiah fellow.
That was actually one of the commands of Moses in Deuteronomy. Jesus called it the greatest commandment.
"Live long and prosper." - Spock
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I sure am glad that our military and police forces dont think that way.
Not a fan of Christianity, huh? - F
Fisticuffs wrote:
Not a fan of Christianity, huh?
No, i am not a fan of you. Stand rigid for the next battle Peace means reloading your guns The love for life is all hatred in disguise - Dimmu Borgir
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Not only muslims ..Many people became happy since they dont like the polocies of america.And anyone can undderstand the heroism attained by osama or saddam since they are figthing against the mighty USA. Nobody realizing the fact that Islamic terrorism is only growing and if USA stand in forefornt it would never come to an end.Becoz USA is not an Islamic state and their fight would be viwed as fight against Islam and Bin Laden is cleverly adorning the attire of the saviour of Islam. If not Osama there would be some X or Y becoz the world is full of those creatures who has belief in none. if we truely wants to put a fullstop to Islamic terrorism ,the fight agaist it should be started by Islams .
jithAtran - ii wrote:
if we truely wants to put a fullstop to Islamic terrorism ,the fight agaist it should be started by Islams .
The thing is, others aren't willing to wait for that. I haven't heard of a single globally vocal group of Muslims that have been willing to take a stand against terrorism. And that is what millions of non-muslims don't understand, and frankly are a bit scared of. BW
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Legal laws do not govern morality, however. One can be perfectly legal and be morally detestable: Take the UN for instance. The whole body has sat idly for so long while genocides are going on in Africa; and this is not the first time! Perfectly legal, perfectly immoral. I could come up with a thousand other instances; it is a mistake to equal legality with morality and ethics. When I spoke of law, the meaning is God-law, not man-law. God-law is boiled down to 2 laws on which all the other laws hang[^].
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Judah Himango wrote:
it is a mistake to equal legality with morality and ethics
I'm well aware that morality and legality are different and in most cases should remain so. Efforts to legislate morality usually fall flat on their faces. Ethics on the other hand are the basis of the legal system. How do civilized people of differing moralities coexist peacefully. It isn't by trying to legislate one group's morality down other's throats.
Judah Himango wrote:
When I spoke of law, the meaning is God-law, not man-law.
While god-law may be important to you, there are quite a few people who get along just fine without it. The evolution of the human genome is too important to be left to chance.
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Judah Himango wrote:
For me, I'm putting my bet on Jesus. I think he's proven himself to be the Messiah spoken of. But better yet, he lived and commanded us to live the most Godly way I've ever heard of: to love God and love other people. I don't think there's any better way to live your life, so I'm betting my life wholly on this Messiah fellow.
That was actually one of the commands of Moses in Deuteronomy. Jesus called it the greatest commandment.
"Live long and prosper." - Spock
Jason Henderson
blogYes, that's right! Both 2 laws he mentioned are from the Torah. In fact, the first law he mentions (the one about loving God) is something that is recited daily by us Jews. I'm convinced Jesus didn't come to start a new religion, but only was continuing on in the original plan all along. Instead of creating a whole new set of religion rules, He took the rules God had already setup, and put them in their proper place. He said in one piece, "You all know of the law that goes, 'Do not commit adultery', but I'm telling you that even if you look at a woman and lust after her in your heart, you've committed adultery in your heart." The Messiah took the Law code and applied it to hearts, instead of just outward appearances as the Jewish leaders were doing at the time. This falls right in line with what Jeremiah predicted[^]. :cool:
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Judah Himango wrote:
it is a mistake to equal legality with morality and ethics
I'm well aware that morality and legality are different and in most cases should remain so. Efforts to legislate morality usually fall flat on their faces. Ethics on the other hand are the basis of the legal system. How do civilized people of differing moralities coexist peacefully. It isn't by trying to legislate one group's morality down other's throats.
Judah Himango wrote:
When I spoke of law, the meaning is God-law, not man-law.
While god-law may be important to you, there are quite a few people who get along just fine without it. The evolution of the human genome is too important to be left to chance.
Tim Craig wrote:
there are quite a few people who get along just fine without it.
If God-law boils down to loving other people, I'm not so sure we'd get along just fine without it.
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Fisticuffs wrote:
Not a fan of Christianity, huh?
No, i am not a fan of you. Stand rigid for the next battle Peace means reloading your guns The love for life is all hatred in disguise - Dimmu Borgir
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No, i am not a fan of you.
Does this mean you no longer wish to subscribe to the bi-weekly "I Love Fisticuffs" newsletter, containing great tips and tricks on how to remove troublesome stains by using nothing more than an undeserved sense of moral superiority? But you'll forfeit your subscription fee!!!! Act now!!! And you wrote such a lovely song for the last issue, too: Oh Fisticuffs, I Need Your Approval For I Am Misguided Without Your Awesome Insight Please Validate My Existence With You're Internet Powers By Pumpkinhead, Age 15 or something - F
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There are many. I don't have it readily available, but I asked if he condemned suicide bombers. His response (after a week of dodging) was that he condemns suicide bombers...because they target Muslims in mosques. He had a long drawn out explanation as to how the Quran states that it's OK to kill over "corruption in the land" yada yada yada that justified terrorism.
are you being a moron?you didnt need to navigate much to answer your question directly and you are saying that i didnt answer you?tsk tsk get a life!!
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Ah.. so it was me misinterpreting him. How ironic. :)
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
authorites from christianity islam and judaism are keep in touch and trying to understand each other's faith and also discovering similarties between all abrahamic faith so i have no worries that these 3 mentioned religions are not compatible
There is no way that these three religions can be compatible. Jesus is the son of god, or He isn't. People who want to achieve compatibility can only do so by abandoning their own faith. The mistake is to confuse compatibility with understanding. I think you're wrong ( sorry :-) ), but that doesn't mean I hate you, or deny you the right to your beliefs. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
by compatible doesnt mean any sort of merger.What i mean compatibility here is the God itself and Jesus(AS) and others who came before Him like Jacob,David etc etc.I assume all of mentioned people are considered respectable in both christianity and judaism and I already mentioned that every prophet from Adam to Jesus before MUhammad is respectable for us.As i said only dispute is status of Jesus in different religions but not His own persoonality.Same goes with other prophets as well.So if all religions just start respecting these people then things could go well without hitting each others faith.
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but that doesn't mean I hate you, or deny you the right to your beliefs.
No problem you can hate me freely.I didnt take it as insult =)
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Why would i be?
Because no one's made a 100+ posts in 3 hours thread for you :rolleyes: Regards, Nish
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Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. Also visit the Ultimate Toolbox blog (New)Nish, I value your sentiments. But I want to ask, before commenting on Hinduism , have you studied any of the religions in full? Have you read GITA , Hindu's religious book and understood its meaning? I guess everyone heere is just commenting based on their observations, news and feelings . no one has gone to core. May be since childhood all are busy with studies (not religious). Just think how this whole big band occured, how the first life existed. let there be water , oxygen , carbon.. but how that first cell come to life.. which powered self, run its own machine.. just think howww. there must be something. humans are olnly animals too.. just with bigger brains.. There is no religion. But God is certainly there. we are not the trillionest part of this whole thing. Stop fighting. and enjoy life. have lot lot of fun. pathak
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
espeir and kagaddy personally asked my opinion about sucide bombing but as I knew that they were jusing being naughty
I understand that they were trolling, but what I don't understand is why you can't just say, "I do not agree with or support suicide bombers,". Sure, it might not be your responsibility to do it, but if it's such an easy thing, what is the harm in saying it?
I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours. ~Stephen Roberts
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Daniel if you re old CPian then you must have idea of purpose of existance of stan and his little kids(pumpkin,espeir etc).Do you think he was not answered before or similar question was not as wered before.? If you visit 1 or 2 pages below then you would find a thread by Jorgen as well as if you search posts by my profile you will find a direct answer to espeir and kgaddy.Its other thing that my answer pissed them off as they were expecting that i would say "yeah i do accept as its part of my religioin" but i didnt come up with such answer hence they are more frustrated and they are suffering more from mouth diaherria and making this place stinky.
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Score: 1.0 (1 vote). wrote:
Why would i be?
Because no one's made a 100+ posts in 3 hours thread for you :rolleyes: Regards, Nish
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Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. Also visit the Ultimate Toolbox blog (New)also in my wildest dreams I dont think hindus can be so lethal , violent like our islamist people. There may be occasions but its not spread that much, They are very mild, welcoming. dont want to be religious here.. but if one wants.. Just come to our real nice temples, you will have that peace, freshness. what does one want more.. somethign spiritual. churches and mosques dont offer that. This is common feeling I heard from so many people of other religions. pathak
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kgaddy wrote:
What if I saw a man getting ready to kill an innocent child. The only way to stop him his is to shoot him (say he is a long way away). Are you saying I should not shoot him and let the child die? I just want to make sure here.
The child's life and soul is in God's hands, not yours. The murderer's life and soul is in God's hands, not yours. To kill someone to save a life is a sum of zero. To kill someone to save a life implies that YOU are judging the worthiness of their souls, that YOU are judging which soul is ready to meet the Father and which is not. YOU are not the judge of that. To be honest, it seems like you are searching to be told that killing someone would be OK, given some arbitrary circumstance. This is not what Jesus wants of us. - F
awesome thoughts.I second you.I wonder why were you given 1.0? maybe because of
Fisticuffs wrote:
To kill someone to save a life implies that YOU are judging the worthiness of their souls, that YOU are judging which soul is ready to meet the Father and which is not. YOU are not the judge of that. To be honest, it seems like you are searching to be told that killing someone would be OK, given some arbitrary circumstance.
and it would piss his friends off :suss: But i think that kgaddy etc are not here to preach christianity.They are here with mission to offend those who are against *them* not against Jesus.
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I think you don't understand. If you belive something, then that means that contrary beliefs, are to you, wrong. That is what belief means. But, that does not mean we cannot respect each other and allow each other to live our lives as we please.
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
Why cannot there be multiple paths to a god (or gods)? Why go by the "my belief is the only true belief" theory?
That is just another beief! And you are welcome to it. There are many beliefs, you have to pick one. And your belief, that everyone is right, is just another belief. In other words, you can belive the world is flat or round. You have to pick one. But this does not give the 2 groups the right to kill each other. My mom told me once that "while we all don't speak the same language, everyone in the world undestands an asskicking"
kgaddy wrote:
But this does not give the 2 groups the right to kill each other.
agreed but is it followed by your own people before you raise finger on others?
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Sorry I didnt notice that.Did it terrorize you?
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