drugs
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Me too, and I'm inline with 100%. That wasn't the point I was trying to make though. Why is A bad and B ok, according to uncle sam?
I think for two reasons: 1) In my observations, drugs are far worse than alcohol, regardless of what the druggies say. 2) Alcohol precedes our nation by thousands of years. It's basically part of our culture.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Booze kills brain cells and the liver, and smoking kills brain cells and the lungs. I don't think the effects are as profound as your stronger drugs, but they are right on par with the weaker ones. And yet they are perfectly legal, if you're of age.
Perhaps, but drugs are also mind-altering and as a result have a vastly more negative effect than dancing on top of a bar.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Yes there is, do the research. Now, I will say being fat and unhealthy can also slow you're thinking down as well.
I wasn't talking about being lazy. I'm talking about a complete disregard for one's personal situation. Basically dropping out of life. I think the effects are similar to depression.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
I've used LSD several times before as a teenager and my life isn't in shambles. And I didn't notice a decrease in mental performance due to it. I noticed more bad effects due to smoking for 5 years actually.
You don't currently use it, though.
espeir wrote:
- In my observations, drugs are far worse than alcohol, regardless of what the druggies say.
I think you might be mistaking correlation for causation. In my experience, drugs provide a way for some people to ignore the fact that their lives are on a downward spiral. BTW, I am not, and never have been, a user of any drug other than aspirin and caffiene (so my spiral must be very shallow :)).
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espeir wrote:
- In my observations, drugs are far worse than alcohol, regardless of what the druggies say.
I think you might be mistaking correlation for causation. In my experience, drugs provide a way for some people to ignore the fact that their lives are on a downward spiral. BTW, I am not, and never have been, a user of any drug other than aspirin and caffiene (so my spiral must be very shallo
Did you miss the part where I stated I didn't know whether drug use causes a downward spiral or if the downward spiral leads to drug use? I recognize that fact, but I also recognize that in either case drugs are very damaging.
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espeir wrote:
Pretty much everyone I know and have known drinks to some capacity and none of them have had their lives altered by it...Maybe some of their evenings.
That would be the exact argument you would get from people that consider themselves "recreational smot pokers".
Yes, but you can't trust recreational smot poker's opinion. I base my opinion on personal observation. Almost everyone I know has smoked pot, but everyone I know who has smoked it continuously has suffered as a result. -- modified at 14:04 Friday 16th June, 2006 :laugh: For expediency, I copied and pasted your "recreational smot pokers" and didn't notice what it said until afterwards.
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I know plenty of people, including myself who have perfectly normal lives and often highly payed and skilled careers who have taken and continue to take all those and more. I took LSD and mushrooms pretty regularly for a few years (and do did Steve Wozniak, the damn hippie). Coke is a pain in the ass to be around though, never work for anyone with a Coke habit. Ryan
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You were voted down for posting about drugs. I wonder if it was for promoting a pro-drug lifestyle or for your cricitism of employers with Coke habits?
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Christian Graus wrote:
1 - in theory, making something legal means that society approves of people taking it
I see with your point, and I agree.
Christian Graus wrote:
the reason tobacco and alcohol are legal is simply that they are too entrenched and make the govt too much money for them to be done away with.
I have a feeling that the money is the main reason. But, people are always acting like drugs are bad, drugs are bad. And yet, they drink and smoke a shitload. Well... hello!
Christian Graus wrote:
LSD was legal for a while, for example.
:wtf: That's news to me.
Christian Graus wrote:
The side effect is that drugs cost so much that addicts can't NOT hurt anyone else. Because there are limited legal means of making the money you need to support a habit.
I agree, but like with cigarettes and booze, I think the reason they do cost so much is because they are illegal. A catch 22 ya know. Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Christian Graus wrote: LSD was legal for a while, for example. That's news to me.
Sandoz Laboratories, the drug’s sole producer, began marketing LSD in 1947 under the trade name “Delysid” and it was introduced into the United States a year later. Sandoz marketed LSD as a psychiatric cure-all and hailed it as a cure for everything from schizophrenia to criminal behavior, sexual perversions and alcoholism.[^]
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Which I have never witnessed. And Cirrhosis occurs after a lifetime of heavy drinking. It's like the lung cancer of alcoholics.
espeir wrote:
Which I have never witnessed
So that's why you're an atheist. You never witnessed Christ's resurrection.
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espeir wrote:
Which I have never witnessed
So that's why you're an atheist. You never witnessed Christ's resurrection.
I didn't say that I deny that alcohol adversly effects many peoples' lives merely because I haven't witnessed it, as your statement implies. I stated that while alcohol effects some people, it certainly does not effect people to the extreme degrees that drug use does, per my personal observation.
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You missed one. ;P I don't smoke, don't do drugs (aside from morphine while I was in hospital in '03, and boy was that wierd. I can see where heroin addicts come from now), drink caffeine and alcohol in great moderation and have a largely vegetarian diet. Mind you I'm a transsexual lesbian, so what would I know? ;P Anna :rose: Currently working mostly on: Visual Lint :cool: Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.
Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote:
aside from morphine while I was in hospital in '03, and boy was that wierd. I can see where heroin addicts come from now)
Interesting how it affects different people. I was in the hospital last year with pneumonia and had morphine on demand. Aside from managing the pain, I got nothing out of it. A little weird would have helped pass the time. Being in the hospital sucks and not in a good way. ;P The evolution of the human genome is too important to be left to chance.
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Yes, but you can't trust recreational smot poker's opinion. I base my opinion on personal observation. Almost everyone I know has smoked pot, but everyone I know who has smoked it continuously has suffered as a result. -- modified at 14:04 Friday 16th June, 2006 :laugh: For expediency, I copied and pasted your "recreational smot pokers" and didn't notice what it said until afterwards.
espeir wrote:
I copied and pasted your "recreational smot pokers" and didn't notice what it said until afterwards.
Yeah, I have to be work safe. That's why I don't use my whole name because I try to help in the tech forums and can't have the company associated with what I say. They didn't care for the "disclaimer" approach.
espeir wrote:
but everyone I know who has smoked it continuously has suffered as a result.
You don't know the right people! :-D Seriously though I know plenty and most of them you would not even suspect as users. Now by continuously I don't mean from morning until night! :laugh:
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Did you miss the part where I stated I didn't know whether drug use causes a downward spiral or if the downward spiral leads to drug use? I recognize that fact, but I also recognize that in either case drugs are very damaging.
No, in one case they're damaging. In the other, they're merely a symptom.
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Interesting side fact here: Did you know that some medicines--pain meds--now cost so much that seniors are turning to illegal drugs such as meth to supplement their pain meds? It's a growing trend.
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Jerry Hammond wrote:
Did you know that some medicines--pain meds--now cost so much that seniors are turning to illegal drugs such as meth to supplement their pain meds?
And the flip side is that for terminally ill patients who can no longer manage their pain with prescription drugs, the Feds deny them the use of heroin because it's addictive. The evolution of the human genome is too important to be left to chance.
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Christian Graus wrote:
1 - in theory, making something legal means that society approves of people taking it
I see with your point, and I agree.
Christian Graus wrote:
the reason tobacco and alcohol are legal is simply that they are too entrenched and make the govt too much money for them to be done away with.
I have a feeling that the money is the main reason. But, people are always acting like drugs are bad, drugs are bad. And yet, they drink and smoke a shitload. Well... hello!
Christian Graus wrote:
LSD was legal for a while, for example.
:wtf: That's news to me.
Christian Graus wrote:
The side effect is that drugs cost so much that addicts can't NOT hurt anyone else. Because there are limited legal means of making the money you need to support a habit.
I agree, but like with cigarettes and booze, I think the reason they do cost so much is because they are illegal. A catch 22 ya know. Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
But, people are always acting like drugs are bad, drugs are bad. And yet, they drink and smoke a shitload. Well... hello!
Yeah, I've said I don't take drugs on these very pages and had people say 'do you drink or smoke' ? Of course, the answer is no, but the assumption was there, and it's true. Those things are drugs, and they kill people. In fact, heroin is less dangerous to your health, what kills addicts is heroin cut with impurities or overdosing because of fluctuations in the quality of supply.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
I agree, but like with cigarettes and booze, I think the reason they do cost so much is because they are illegal. A catch 22 ya know.
Yeah, that was my point. Making them illegal pushes the price up. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
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You are talking a load of crap. I have never been in a dangerous state having taken cocaine, speed, acid, or dope. OK, acid is pretty fucking strange, but dangerous you arent, not in the least, more like totally blown out by the sunrise etc. And as for coke and speed, if you want to meet the most boring person in the world, talk to someone on coke, they are so etgotistical all they can talk about is themselves. Dangerous? If being put to sleep by an egotist is dangerous then perhaps. Now for dope. Comatose, zoned out, dorked out, stoned, all these words might lead you to the impression that you actually dont feel like doing anything when you are stoned except watch TV, or listen to music or have slow sex. Dangerous? No fucking way. Now lets look at alcohol. Dangerous? Just lok at any British town center on friday and saturday night to see how alcohol causes serious violence. Oh, and by the way, you can have a 'light' effect with drugs. Its called having a small hit of dope, or a small line of speed etc. Nunc est bibendum
fat_boy wrote:
Just lok at any British town center...
Is that anything like a town centre? Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
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I know plenty of people, including myself who have perfectly normal lives and often highly payed and skilled careers who have taken and continue to take all those and more. I took LSD and mushrooms pretty regularly for a few years (and do did Steve Wozniak, the damn hippie). Coke is a pain in the ass to be around though, never work for anyone with a Coke habit. Ryan
"Michael Moore and Mel Gibson are the same person, except for a few sit-ups. Moore thought his cheesy political blooper reel was going to tell people how to vote. Mel thought that his little gay SM movie about his imaginary friend was going to help him get to heaven." - Penn Jillette
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You were voted down for posting about drugs. I wonder if it was for promoting a pro-drug lifestyle or for your cricitism of employers with Coke habits?
Actually, I havent smoked for a long time, and I probably couldnt be arsed to take coke or speed anymore. I just like my beer and wine, and when I am at a party, a packet of fags. But, what I am stating is that there is no reason to be overly scared of drugs, or blow them out of proportion. They are just a chemical that has an interesting effect on you, and with all things, they must be seen for what they are. Nunc est bibendum