Mother, Child and womb?
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espeir wrote:
Women make the same amount of money as men on average, until they leave the workforce for child birth. Then they experience a wage setback, because they have not worked as long.
A fair point. I have no idea whether that is true or not.
espeir wrote:
Actually that's a myth and is probably used by your unsuccessful female friends to justify their failure.
But I just said they were capable.
HalfWayMan wrote:
A fair point. I have no idea whether that is true or not.
From what I've read, the average woman's salary is a few thousand less than the average man's. But if you exclude women who have left the workforce for childbirth or raising a child, then the average is (if recollection serves) actually slightly higher than a man's.
HalfWayMan wrote:
But I just said they were capable.
Capable is subjective. Taller people average more money than shorter people, and I doubt they're somehow more "capable". It could be that they're just too shy.
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HalfWayMan wrote:
A fair point. I have no idea whether that is true or not.
From what I've read, the average woman's salary is a few thousand less than the average man's. But if you exclude women who have left the workforce for childbirth or raising a child, then the average is (if recollection serves) actually slightly higher than a man's.
HalfWayMan wrote:
But I just said they were capable.
Capable is subjective. Taller people average more money than shorter people, and I doubt they're somehow more "capable". It could be that they're just too shy.
espeir wrote:
Capable is subjective.
Again, good point. I now feel completely out maneuvered and, frankly, pretty stupid. :((
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espeir wrote:
Capable is subjective.
Again, good point. I now feel completely out maneuvered and, frankly, pretty stupid. :((
Calling yourself stupid is a good way to get out of a promotion.
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You're alive aren't you? But no, seriously, that is part of my point. The women's liberation appears to me to be just an attempt to pacify those that are not happy with the distribution of credit. I shall not, however, start quoting and referring. To do so would put me in a more awkward position than I would want. I have known a number of women who are more than capable than their male "conterparts" - if I may use such a term. We all hear about women being passed over for promotion in business. It's easy for us (men) to just ignore this and say they are playing the sexism card - but it still happens. Anyway, I only have half a chomosone on the twenty-third pair, so what do I know :)
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Calling yourself stupid is a good way to get out of a promotion.
Well, that's alright. I can't be promoted anyway :)
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Fortunately, this sort of thing makes it really easy to recognize preachers who are full of shit, without having to bother sitting through an entire sermon.
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Shog9 wrote:
And yet, look at all the posts here arguing semantics when it comes to war, politics, immigration, marriage...
That's a good point. For example, someone suggested "civil union" instead of "gay marriage", but it doesn't change the underlying reality that two people of the same sex are living together. And who cares anyway?
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Daniel R Ferguson wrote:
And who cares anyway?
Obviously, a very vocal segment of the population who want to prevent it. The evolution of the human genome is too important to be left to chance.
Tim Craig wrote:
Obviously, a very vocal segment of the population who want to prevent it.
Duh. I mean, marriage depends on having all parties agreeing to the meaning of certain words. Treating them with disrespect just makes the whole thing meaningless. If we allow just anyone to call their relationship a "marriage", why, we might as well just allow any kind of disrespect... Next we'll be seeing people getting divorced, cheating on their spouses, possibly even bizarre "open marriages"... Oh. :rolleyes:
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Tim Craig wrote:
Obviously, a very vocal segment of the population who want to prevent it.
Duh. I mean, marriage depends on having all parties agreeing to the meaning of certain words. Treating them with disrespect just makes the whole thing meaningless. If we allow just anyone to call their relationship a "marriage", why, we might as well just allow any kind of disrespect... Next we'll be seeing people getting divorced, cheating on their spouses, possibly even bizarre "open marriages"... Oh. :rolleyes:
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Shog9 wrote:
getting divorced, cheating on their spouses, possibly even bizarre "open marriages"...
So are you saying that you want all those things to be integral parts of marriage?
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brianwelsch quoted:
God is male and that men are superior to women
Changing the language isn't going to change the underlying reality. This is actually one of the things I dislike about religion: it tries to say that men were created first and that men are the creator (in the image of god) when it's perfectly obvious to anyone born from a woman that it's the other freakin' way around.
I think the "we are the superior sex" is another variation of the penis complex. :)
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I think the "we are the superior sex" is another variation of the penis complex. :)
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I think, if you think your penis is complex, you have bigger issues...
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I think, if you think your penis is complex, you have bigger issues...
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Shog9 wrote:
getting divorced, cheating on their spouses, possibly even bizarre "open marriages"...
So are you saying that you want all those things to be integral parts of marriage?
I suspect he's saying that cheating and divorce seem to be a part of the lives of many of the jackasses that oppose gay marriage because it will "destroy the sanctity of the holy union". I'm surprised there aren't widespread instances of conservative Christian heads exploding from a dangerous build-up of cognitive dissonance. Maybe they're saved by the same mechanism that renders them incapable of detecting irony...
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HalfWayMan wrote:
You're alive aren't you?
His heart is beating but that's no longer the definition of alive either. ;P The evolution of the human genome is too important to be left to chance.
Tim Craig wrote:
His heart is beating but that's no longer the definition of alive either.
Oooh...nice one* :laugh: *Espeir is considered brainless or braindead by some people "Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner" - Ross Edbert Sydney, Australia
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How about the idea that the reason most of the worlds "advances" are performed my men is that, with the preconception that they are superior to women, they have deliberately suppressed any woman who dares to impose on male superiority? There are many instances, some of which recorded, where any development, particularily intellectually, by a female has been completely disregarded by their male "superiours".
There have been women who have pushed the envelope; Maria Curie (radioactivity), Emilia Lockhart (flying), Thatcher, Joan of Arc for example. The fact is that they are way rarer then men who have pushed the boudaries. But, that there are women who have proves that if a woman wants to she can, and could have, done so. Nunc est bibendum
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espeir wrote:
Women make the same amount of money as men on average, until they leave the workforce for child birth. Then they experience a wage setback, because they have not worked as long.
A fair point. I have no idea whether that is true or not.
espeir wrote:
Actually that's a myth and is probably used by your unsuccessful female friends to justify their failure.
But I just said they were capable.
HalfWayMan wrote:
Women make the same amount of money as men on average, until they leave the workforce for child birth. Then they experience a wage setback, because they have not worked as long. A fair point. I have no idea whether that is true or not.
Actually, in Europe, it is only Sweden where women and men earn the same for the same job. The rest all under pay women. Nunc est bibendum
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We let you poor fragile creatures think so ;P The tigress is here :-D
I wonder if you are a man just wanting to show the inferiority of woman, or if fatboy's idiotic post could have some truth in it... :wtf: ------------------------------ PROST Roleplaying Game War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left.
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brianwelsch quoted:
God is male and that men are superior to women
Changing the language isn't going to change the underlying reality. This is actually one of the things I dislike about religion: it tries to say that men were created first and that men are the creator (in the image of god) when it's perfectly obvious to anyone born from a woman that it's the other freakin' way around.
Daniel R Ferguson wrote:
Changing the language isn't going to change the underlying reality. This is actually one of the things I dislike about religion: it tries to say that men were created first and that men are the creator (in the image of god) when it's perfectly obvious to anyone born from a woman that it's the other freakin' way around.
I'm Christian, but I never thought that God is male. The bible says that you shouldn't make yourself a picture from God. God is God - and even when I call him father I don't call him "a man". But changing the call to mother isn't better. When you think that father implies superiority of male, so changing it to mother implies, that you think woman are better. The problem isn't the language. The problem is that there are to many idiots allowed to talk (look at the soapbox, tv or into newspapers). Regards, Ingo ------------------------------ PROST Roleplaying Game War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left.
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I wonder if you are a man just wanting to show the inferiority of woman, or if fatboy's idiotic post could have some truth in it... :wtf: ------------------------------ PROST Roleplaying Game War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left.
You wouldn't say either if you met Elaine. She eats trolls alive *... ;P I just throw daggers at them or challenge them to single combat. Take your pick. Anna :rose: Currently working mostly on: Visual Lint :cool: Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.
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And it would be even more un-politically correct to point out that most great explorers, artists, inventors, etc... are white males. Stand rigid for the next battle Peace means reloading your guns The love for life is all hatred in disguise - Dimmu Borgir
like omg! I got voted down by the Political Correctness Police! :omg: Stand rigid for the next battle Peace means reloading your guns The love for life is all hatred in disguise - Dimmu Borgir