Our Litigious Society
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Can you believe the hubris of this 14 year old girl and her mother? They are suing a private business because the girl decided to go on a date with a 19 year old man and got raped. Teen, mom sue MySpace.com for $30 million, claim popular Internet site fails to protect children from adult sexual predators.[^]
Yeah, no one wants to take responsibility for thier own actions anymore. I have no doubt that she was assaulted, but she was dumb enough to get into the car of a stranger and take a ride. Was it her fault? Nope, but SOME of the blame falls on her. I would have a hard time awarding that big of a settlement to them just because of that point.
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Just highlights what I consider to be THE fundemental problem with today's western cultures. Nobody feels responsible for themselves. It's not a Europe thing. It's not a US thing. It's not a liberal or conservative thing. It's not a socialist or capitalist thing. It's a philosophical cultural thing that seems to transcend borders, religions, laws, etc... "The trouble with jogging is that the ice falls out of your glass." - Martin Mull
Mike Mullikin wrote:
Nobody feels responsible for themselves.
You say it's not a conservative thing, but isn't that the definition of socialism?
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Yeah, no one wants to take responsibility for thier own actions anymore. I have no doubt that she was assaulted, but she was dumb enough to get into the car of a stranger and take a ride. Was it her fault? Nope, but SOME of the blame falls on her. I would have a hard time awarding that big of a settlement to them just because of that point.
Ray Cassick wrote:
Was it her fault?
Uh...Yes it was. He may have committed the crime, but wouldn't you say that crawling into a lion's den covered in meat will predictably result in your own death? He deserves prison time, but her behavior deserves no reward.
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Can you believe the hubris of this 14 year old girl and her mother? They are suing a private business because the girl decided to go on a date with a 19 year old man and got raped. Teen, mom sue MySpace.com for $30 million, claim popular Internet site fails to protect children from adult sexual predators.[^]
Ed Gadziemski wrote:
Can you believe the hubris
According to Merriam-webster, hubris means "exaggerated pride or self-confidence" I sure don't see how it fits here... And if the private corporation's business is to facilitate meetings between people, and they fail to adequately prevent abuse of their services by sexual predators, then they are facilitating that predation, and are liable... I have little sympathy for MySpace in this...
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Ed Gadziemski wrote:
Can you believe the hubris
According to Merriam-webster, hubris means "exaggerated pride or self-confidence" I sure don't see how it fits here... And if the private corporation's business is to facilitate meetings between people, and they fail to adequately prevent abuse of their services by sexual predators, then they are facilitating that predation, and are liable... I have little sympathy for MySpace in this...
Rob Graham wrote:
And if the private corporation's business is to facilitate meetings between people, and they fail to adequately prevent abuse of their services by sexual predators, then they are facilitating that predation, and are liable...
I guess bars, nightclubs and box socials had better hire some lawyers!
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Rob Graham wrote:
And if the private corporation's business is to facilitate meetings between people, and they fail to adequately prevent abuse of their services by sexual predators, then they are facilitating that predation, and are liable...
I guess bars, nightclubs and box socials had better hire some lawyers!
espeir wrote:
I guess bars, nightclubs and box socials
Maybe the box socials (do sexual predators get invited to those, does anyone still go to those?), but most of the bars and nightclubs I have ever visited did not let 14 year olds in...;P
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Yeah, no one wants to take responsibility for thier own actions anymore. I have no doubt that she was assaulted, but she was dumb enough to get into the car of a stranger and take a ride. Was it her fault? Nope, but SOME of the blame falls on her. I would have a hard time awarding that big of a settlement to them just because of that point.
Ray Cassick wrote:
Yeah, no one wants to take responsibility for thier own actions anymore.
Who is John Galt?
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 -
espeir wrote:
I guess bars, nightclubs and box socials
Maybe the box socials (do sexual predators get invited to those, does anyone still go to those?), but most of the bars and nightclubs I have ever visited did not let 14 year olds in...;P
Rob Graham wrote:
but most of the bars and nightclubs I have ever visited did not let 14 year olds in...
On purpose, anyway. Besides, sexual predators don't prey solely on underage girls. Clearly nightclubs are designed to facilitate social meetings.
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Rob Graham wrote:
but most of the bars and nightclubs I have ever visited did not let 14 year olds in...
On purpose, anyway. Besides, sexual predators don't prey solely on underage girls. Clearly nightclubs are designed to facilitate social meetings.
espeir wrote:
Clearly nightclubs are designed to facilitate social meetings.
No, they're designed to facilitate the sale of alcholic beverages, as are bars. Anything else is just an unintended consequence. :rolleyes:
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espeir wrote:
Clearly nightclubs are designed to facilitate social meetings.
No, they're designed to facilitate the sale of alcholic beverages, as are bars. Anything else is just an unintended consequence. :rolleyes:
I guess they had better rename the "dance floor" to the "By entering, you are assuming all responsibility for any unintended consequences resulting from meeting any other person floor".
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Ray Cassick wrote:
Yeah, no one wants to take responsibility for thier own actions anymore.
Who is John Galt?
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Who is John Galt?
best bumper sticker ever. Mike "We ain't stuck on stupid." badass Lt. General Russel Honore **"Remember - live bunnies are a great source of nourishment"**silly-assed cartoon A vegan is someone who never heard a carrot cry!
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Can you believe the hubris of this 14 year old girl and her mother? They are suing a private business because the girl decided to go on a date with a 19 year old man and got raped. Teen, mom sue MySpace.com for $30 million, claim popular Internet site fails to protect children from adult sexual predators.[^]
Ed Gadziemski wrote:
the girl decided to go on a date with a 19 year old man and got raped
I bet the guy had a bad childhood. Mike "We ain't stuck on stupid." badass Lt. General Russel Honore **"Remember - live bunnies are a great source of nourishment"**silly-assed cartoon A vegan is someone who never heard a carrot cry!
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Mike Mullikin wrote:
Nobody feels responsible for themselves.
You say it's not a conservative thing, but isn't that the definition of socialism?
espeir wrote:
isn't that the definition of socialism?
Naw, just the eventual outcome... ;P
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I guess they had better rename the "dance floor" to the "By entering, you are assuming all responsibility for any unintended consequences resulting from meeting any other person floor".
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Can you believe the hubris of this 14 year old girl and her mother? They are suing a private business because the girl decided to go on a date with a 19 year old man and got raped. Teen, mom sue MySpace.com for $30 million, claim popular Internet site fails to protect children from adult sexual predators.[^]
From the linked article.
Lauren Gelman, associate director of the Center for Internet and Society at Stanford Law School, said she does not think MySpace is legally responsible for what happens away from its site. "If you interact on MySpace, you are safe, but if a 13-year-old or 14-year-old goes out in person and meets someone she doesn't know, that is always an unsafe endeavor," Gelman said. "We need to teach our kids to be wary of strangers."
My emphasis. She's only partly right. We need to teach our kids to be wary of everyone. While we've taught our kids to be wary of strangers, we've neglected to tell that the man down the street is equally as dangerous. I don't have the stats, but I'd be willing to bet you'll find that child abduction by complete strangers is further down the list than by someone the child is familiar with. Chris Meech I am Canadian. [heard in a local bar] When no one was looking, every single American woman between the ages of 18 and 32 went out and got a tatoo just above their rumpus. [link[^]]
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Ray Cassick wrote:
Yeah, no one wants to take responsibility for thier own actions anymore.
Who is John Galt?
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 -
espeir wrote:
isn't that the definition of socialism?
Naw, just the eventual outcome... ;P
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I'm pretty sure it's the definition. Socialism is the dispersal of one's personal responsibility across the state.
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Ed Gadziemski wrote:
the girl decided to go on a date with a 19 year old man and got raped
I bet the guy had a bad childhood. Mike "We ain't stuck on stupid." badass Lt. General Russel Honore **"Remember - live bunnies are a great source of nourishment"**silly-assed cartoon A vegan is someone who never heard a carrot cry!
His adult life will be worse I suspect...
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From the linked article.
Lauren Gelman, associate director of the Center for Internet and Society at Stanford Law School, said she does not think MySpace is legally responsible for what happens away from its site. "If you interact on MySpace, you are safe, but if a 13-year-old or 14-year-old goes out in person and meets someone she doesn't know, that is always an unsafe endeavor," Gelman said. "We need to teach our kids to be wary of strangers."
My emphasis. She's only partly right. We need to teach our kids to be wary of everyone. While we've taught our kids to be wary of strangers, we've neglected to tell that the man down the street is equally as dangerous. I don't have the stats, but I'd be willing to bet you'll find that child abduction by complete strangers is further down the list than by someone the child is familiar with. Chris Meech I am Canadian. [heard in a local bar] When no one was looking, every single American woman between the ages of 18 and 32 went out and got a tatoo just above their rumpus. [link[^]]
The most likely culprit in any child sexual abuse case is the stepfather, closely followed by the father, then the rest of the family. Ryan
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Try here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlas_shrugged[^]
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
