Our Litigious Society
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Ray Cassick wrote:
Yeah, no one wants to take responsibility for thier own actions anymore.
Who is John Galt?
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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Ed Gadziemski wrote:
Can you believe the hubris
According to Merriam-webster, hubris means "exaggerated pride or self-confidence" I sure don't see how it fits here... And if the private corporation's business is to facilitate meetings between people, and they fail to adequately prevent abuse of their services by sexual predators, then they are facilitating that predation, and are liable... I have little sympathy for MySpace in this...
Rob Graham wrote:
and they fail to adequately prevent abuse of their services by sexual predators
And how do you propose that they do that exactly? This makes ANY community site (CP Included) liable for anything that results when people don't use their heads. That is no different than being able to sue a bar where a man and a women meet up if he rapes her.
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The Article wrote:
MySpace says on a "Tips for Parents" page that users must be 14 or older. The Web site does nothing to verify the age of the user, such as requiring a driver's license or credit card number, Loewy said.
Serious quetion: how many 14 year olds in the US have driving licenses or credit cards?
The Article wrote:
To create an account, a MySpace user must list a name, an e-mail address, sex, country and date of birth. "None of this has to be true," the lawsuit said.
Doesn't lying constitute breaking their terms or service, and void any moral or legal claim you would have as a result of that lying? (although the girl was 14 in this case - I'm just asking.)
The Article wrote:
"We feel that 1 percent of that is the bare minimum that they should compensate the girl for their failure to protect her online when they knew sexual predators were on that site," he said.
Cha-Ching! Reminds me of the mother who encouraged her teenage daughters (12-14) to get pregnant and have a baby so they could claim benefits. Some people should not be licensed to breed.
Ðavid Wulff Die Freiheit spielt auf allen Geigen (video)
"If some individuals commit an act that is contrary to what their religion tells them to do, then the religion isn't violent... the individuals are." - espeir.David Wulff wrote:
Some people should not be licensed to breed.
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Just highlights what I consider to be THE fundemental problem with today's western cultures. Nobody feels responsible for themselves. It's not a Europe thing. It's not a US thing. It's not a liberal or conservative thing. It's not a socialist or capitalist thing. It's a philosophical cultural thing that seems to transcend borders, religions, laws, etc... "The trouble with jogging is that the ice falls out of your glass." - Martin Mull
Couldn't agree more - we have a culture of blame, everything is someone elses fault. What mother in her right mind lets her 14 yo date a 19 yo, especially one who needs the web to meet girls ? Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
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Ed Gadziemski wrote:
the girl decided to go on a date with a 19 year old man and got raped
I bet the guy had a bad childhood. Mike "We ain't stuck on stupid." badass Lt. General Russel Honore **"Remember - live bunnies are a great source of nourishment"**silly-assed cartoon A vegan is someone who never heard a carrot cry!
Mike Gaskey wrote:
I bet the guy had a bad childhood.
Who the fuck cares? I had a bad childhood, and I know others have as well. Having a bad childhood may fuck a kid up, but the ability to harm other people stems from somewhere else - that is to say the personality/individual. I don't care if his parents shoved pitchforks up his ass as a kid, he has no right to hurt others because of it. Jeremy Falcon
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Can you believe the hubris of this 14 year old girl and her mother? They are suing a private business because the girl decided to go on a date with a 19 year old man and got raped. Teen, mom sue MySpace.com for $30 million, claim popular Internet site fails to protect children from adult sexual predators.[^]
The other half of the equation is the stupid judges that let this stuff happen. Lawyers want the money, so I can see that, but why oh why do the stupid judges let this happen? Jeremy Falcon
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Couldn't agree more - we have a culture of blame, everything is someone elses fault. What mother in her right mind lets her 14 yo date a 19 yo, especially one who needs the web to meet girls ? Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
Christian Graus wrote:
especially one who needs the web to meet girls ?
I don't think makes someone a bad person, anti-social maybe but not neccasirly bad. What happened is wrong and terrible, but these people are blaming the wrong damned thing - probably just trying to milk it for what it's worth for money. It's digusting IMO. [edit] Oh man, this got a one-vote? Really, it's pathetic that some CPians are this stupid. [/edit] Jeremy Falcon
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espeir wrote:
Clearly nightclubs are designed to facilitate social meetings.
No, they're designed to facilitate the sale of alcholic beverages, as are bars. Anything else is just an unintended consequence. :rolleyes:
Rob Graham wrote:
No, they're designed to facilitate the sale of alcholic beverages, as are bars. Anything else is just an unintended consequence.
No, that's what grocery stores do. Everyone in the world knows clubs/bars/pubs are a social thing. Jeremy Falcon
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The Article wrote:
MySpace says on a "Tips for Parents" page that users must be 14 or older. The Web site does nothing to verify the age of the user, such as requiring a driver's license or credit card number, Loewy said.
Serious quetion: how many 14 year olds in the US have driving licenses or credit cards?
The Article wrote:
To create an account, a MySpace user must list a name, an e-mail address, sex, country and date of birth. "None of this has to be true," the lawsuit said.
Doesn't lying constitute breaking their terms or service, and void any moral or legal claim you would have as a result of that lying? (although the girl was 14 in this case - I'm just asking.)
The Article wrote:
"We feel that 1 percent of that is the bare minimum that they should compensate the girl for their failure to protect her online when they knew sexual predators were on that site," he said.
Cha-Ching! Reminds me of the mother who encouraged her teenage daughters (12-14) to get pregnant and have a baby so they could claim benefits. Some people should not be licensed to breed.
Ðavid Wulff Die Freiheit spielt auf allen Geigen (video)
"If some individuals commit an act that is contrary to what their religion tells them to do, then the religion isn't violent... the individuals are." - espeir.David Wulff wrote:
Some people should not be licensed to breed.
They'd probably sue the govt. then. :doh::laugh: Jeremy Falcon
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Christian Graus wrote:
especially one who needs the web to meet girls ?
I don't think makes someone a bad person, anti-social maybe but not neccasirly bad. What happened is wrong and terrible, but these people are blaming the wrong damned thing - probably just trying to milk it for what it's worth for money. It's digusting IMO. [edit] Oh man, this got a one-vote? Really, it's pathetic that some CPians are this stupid. [/edit] Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
I don't think makes someone a bad person, anti-social maybe but not neccasirly bad.
Well, that would make me anti social, b/c if my wife left me, and I wanted to start dating, I'd probably start online. Hell, I live online. My point tho is that when my daughter is 14, I will be VERY closed minded about stuff like this, I'd tend to fear the worst rather than let her take risks I would take myself. She was *14*, that's really my core point here.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
It's digusting IMO.
I agree, although the word I would use is 'sad'. It's sad that they can't see that they didn't take sensible precautions themselves, and that they think a pile of money will help them get through this. It won't, it will increase their tendency to blame others and feel sorry for themselveS ( not that it's not tragic, but it's also not the fault of the web site ). Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
I don't think makes someone a bad person, anti-social maybe but not neccasirly bad.
Well, that would make me anti social, b/c if my wife left me, and I wanted to start dating, I'd probably start online. Hell, I live online. My point tho is that when my daughter is 14, I will be VERY closed minded about stuff like this, I'd tend to fear the worst rather than let her take risks I would take myself. She was *14*, that's really my core point here.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
It's digusting IMO.
I agree, although the word I would use is 'sad'. It's sad that they can't see that they didn't take sensible precautions themselves, and that they think a pile of money will help them get through this. It won't, it will increase their tendency to blame others and feel sorry for themselveS ( not that it's not tragic, but it's also not the fault of the web site ). Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
Christian Graus wrote:
I will be VERY closed minded about stuff like this, I'd tend to fear the worst rather than let her take risks I would take myself. She was *14*, that's really my core point here.
I'd be the exact same way if I had a kid. But, I'd be on the lookout if the guy was met offline too. Jeremy Falcon
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I'm pretty sure it's the definition. Socialism is the dispersal of one's personal responsibility across the state.
espeir wrote:
Socialism is the dispersal of one's personal responsibility across the state.
Huh? Jeremy Falcon
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Christian Graus wrote:
I will be VERY closed minded about stuff like this, I'd tend to fear the worst rather than let her take risks I would take myself. She was *14*, that's really my core point here.
I'd be the exact same way if I had a kid. But, I'd be on the lookout if the guy was met offline too. Jeremy Falcon
Sure - that he was 19 is the core point IMO. I just meant that as a parent, I'd be using the 'he's 19 and he looks for 14 yo girls on the web' argument as part of my 'never speak to that person again, let alone meet him' platform. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
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Mike Mullikin wrote:
Nobody feels responsible for themselves.
You say it's not a conservative thing, but isn't that the definition of socialism?
Socialism: A system based on public ownership of the means of production and distribution of wealth. I don't see any reference to personal responsibility in that definition, or any Socialist monopoly on abdication of the same.
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Rob Graham wrote:
and they fail to adequately prevent abuse of their services by sexual predators
And how do you propose that they do that exactly? This makes ANY community site (CP Included) liable for anything that results when people don't use their heads. That is no different than being able to sue a bar where a man and a women meet up if he rapes her.
Ray Cassick wrote:
And how do you propose that they do that exactly?
By providing a chastity belt[^] :-D Dang...couldn't find an image of Maid Marion's chastity belt in Robin Hood: Men In Tights "Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner" - Ross Edbert Sydney, Australia
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Ray Cassick wrote:
Was it her fault?
Uh...Yes it was. He may have committed the crime, but wouldn't you say that crawling into a lion's den covered in meat will predictably result in your own death? He deserves prison time, but her behavior deserves no reward.
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I prefer the approach taken by a "chainsaw disco" I once visited in Alabama: the sign above the dance floor read "No Guns on dance floor". Appearently guns were ok anywhere else in the establishment...
Rob Graham wrote:
Appearently guns were ok anywhere else in the establishment...
Guns could fall out while you are dancing and accidently shoot someone. Shootings anywhere else in the establishment are deliberate.
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
I bet the guy had a bad childhood.
Who the fuck cares? I had a bad childhood, and I know others have as well. Having a bad childhood may fuck a kid up, but the ability to harm other people stems from somewhere else - that is to say the personality/individual. I don't care if his parents shoved pitchforks up his ass as a kid, he has no right to hurt others because of it. Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Who the f*** cares? I had a bad childhood, and I know others have as well. Having a bad childhood may f*** a kid up, but the ability to harm other people stems from somewhere else - that is to say the personality/individual.
Me thinks Mr. Gaskey was being facetious. "The trouble with jogging is that the ice falls out of your glass." - Martin Mull
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Socialism: A system based on public ownership of the means of production and distribution of wealth. I don't see any reference to personal responsibility in that definition, or any Socialist monopoly on abdication of the same.
Ownership denotes responsibility. If you own an airplane and it crashes because of your negligence in maintaining it, that's your responsibility. If you own a food packaging company, and poisonous food is shipped, that's your responsibility. If you own an office building and you allow ice to build up at the entrance and somebody slips, that's your responsibility. If you own a car and it breaks down, it's your responsibility. If you disperse the ownership of your goods evenly across the state, you absolve responsibility and transfer it to the state.
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Mike Mullikin wrote:
Nobody feels responsible for themselves.
You say it's not a conservative thing, but isn't that the definition of socialism?
espeir wrote:
You say it's not a conservative thing, but isn't that the definition of socialism?
Being responsible for yourself doesn't mean you have to perform open heart surgery on yourself. Steve
