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espeir wrote:
isn't that the definition of socialism?
Naw, just the eventual outcome... ;P
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I'm pretty sure it's the definition. Socialism is the dispersal of one's personal responsibility across the state.
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Ed Gadziemski wrote:
the girl decided to go on a date with a 19 year old man and got raped
I bet the guy had a bad childhood. Mike "We ain't stuck on stupid." badass Lt. General Russel Honore **"Remember - live bunnies are a great source of nourishment"**silly-assed cartoon A vegan is someone who never heard a carrot cry!
His adult life will be worse I suspect...
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From the linked article.
Lauren Gelman, associate director of the Center for Internet and Society at Stanford Law School, said she does not think MySpace is legally responsible for what happens away from its site. "If you interact on MySpace, you are safe, but if a 13-year-old or 14-year-old goes out in person and meets someone she doesn't know, that is always an unsafe endeavor," Gelman said. "We need to teach our kids to be wary of strangers."
My emphasis. She's only partly right. We need to teach our kids to be wary of everyone. While we've taught our kids to be wary of strangers, we've neglected to tell that the man down the street is equally as dangerous. I don't have the stats, but I'd be willing to bet you'll find that child abduction by complete strangers is further down the list than by someone the child is familiar with. Chris Meech I am Canadian. [heard in a local bar] When no one was looking, every single American woman between the ages of 18 and 32 went out and got a tatoo just above their rumpus. [link[^]]
The most likely culprit in any child sexual abuse case is the stepfather, closely followed by the father, then the rest of the family. Ryan
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Try here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlas_shrugged[^]
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 -
Man's mind, states John Galt, the protagonist of Atlas Shrugged, is his basic tool of survival. Life is given to him, survival is not. His body is given to him, its sustenance is not. His mind is given to him, its content is not. To remain alive, he must act, and before he can act he must know the nature and purpose of his action.[^] Mike "We ain't stuck on stupid." badass Lt. General Russel Honore **"Remember - live bunnies are a great source of nourishment"**silly-assed cartoon A vegan is someone who never heard a carrot cry!
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Try here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlas_shrugged[^]
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001Ah yes that lovely philosophical story about the fictional 1337 h4x0rs. I still remember my most vivid observation was wondering, if it could occur, how many people would actually be in the group to create the event, versus, how many people would "think" they were in the group. I guess if that first caveman had not invented fire none of us would exist today. :)
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Can you believe the hubris of this 14 year old girl and her mother? They are suing a private business because the girl decided to go on a date with a 19 year old man and got raped. Teen, mom sue MySpace.com for $30 million, claim popular Internet site fails to protect children from adult sexual predators.[^]
The Article wrote:
MySpace says on a "Tips for Parents" page that users must be 14 or older. The Web site does nothing to verify the age of the user, such as requiring a driver's license or credit card number, Loewy said.
Serious quetion: how many 14 year olds in the US have driving licenses or credit cards?
The Article wrote:
To create an account, a MySpace user must list a name, an e-mail address, sex, country and date of birth. "None of this has to be true," the lawsuit said.
Doesn't lying constitute breaking their terms or service, and void any moral or legal claim you would have as a result of that lying? (although the girl was 14 in this case - I'm just asking.)
The Article wrote:
"We feel that 1 percent of that is the bare minimum that they should compensate the girl for their failure to protect her online when they knew sexual predators were on that site," he said.
Cha-Ching! Reminds me of the mother who encouraged her teenage daughters (12-14) to get pregnant and have a baby so they could claim benefits. Some people should not be licensed to breed.
Ðavid Wulff Die Freiheit spielt auf allen Geigen (video)
"If some individuals commit an act that is contrary to what their religion tells them to do, then the religion isn't violent... the individuals are." - espeir. -
I guess they had better rename the "dance floor" to the "By entering, you are assuming all responsibility for any unintended consequences resulting from meeting any other person floor".
I prefer the approach taken by a "chainsaw disco" I once visited in Alabama: the sign above the dance floor read "No Guns on dance floor". Appearently guns were ok anywhere else in the establishment...
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Ray Cassick wrote:
Was it her fault?
Uh...Yes it was. He may have committed the crime, but wouldn't you say that crawling into a lion's den covered in meat will predictably result in your own death? He deserves prison time, but her behavior deserves no reward.
Uh, no it's not. HE could have been a NICE guy but instead he was an idiot who sexually assaulted the girl. I am not saying that she did not carry SOME of the blame, but IT WAS HIS FAULT. Sure, she should not have been dumb enough to act go with him in the first place but that by no means makes it her fault.
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Ray Cassick wrote:
Yeah, no one wants to take responsibility for thier own actions anymore.
Who is John Galt?
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 -
Ed Gadziemski wrote:
Can you believe the hubris
According to Merriam-webster, hubris means "exaggerated pride or self-confidence" I sure don't see how it fits here... And if the private corporation's business is to facilitate meetings between people, and they fail to adequately prevent abuse of their services by sexual predators, then they are facilitating that predation, and are liable... I have little sympathy for MySpace in this...
Rob Graham wrote:
and they fail to adequately prevent abuse of their services by sexual predators
And how do you propose that they do that exactly? This makes ANY community site (CP Included) liable for anything that results when people don't use their heads. That is no different than being able to sue a bar where a man and a women meet up if he rapes her.
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The Article wrote:
MySpace says on a "Tips for Parents" page that users must be 14 or older. The Web site does nothing to verify the age of the user, such as requiring a driver's license or credit card number, Loewy said.
Serious quetion: how many 14 year olds in the US have driving licenses or credit cards?
The Article wrote:
To create an account, a MySpace user must list a name, an e-mail address, sex, country and date of birth. "None of this has to be true," the lawsuit said.
Doesn't lying constitute breaking their terms or service, and void any moral or legal claim you would have as a result of that lying? (although the girl was 14 in this case - I'm just asking.)
The Article wrote:
"We feel that 1 percent of that is the bare minimum that they should compensate the girl for their failure to protect her online when they knew sexual predators were on that site," he said.
Cha-Ching! Reminds me of the mother who encouraged her teenage daughters (12-14) to get pregnant and have a baby so they could claim benefits. Some people should not be licensed to breed.
Ðavid Wulff Die Freiheit spielt auf allen Geigen (video)
"If some individuals commit an act that is contrary to what their religion tells them to do, then the religion isn't violent... the individuals are." - espeir.David Wulff wrote:
Some people should not be licensed to breed.
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Just highlights what I consider to be THE fundemental problem with today's western cultures. Nobody feels responsible for themselves. It's not a Europe thing. It's not a US thing. It's not a liberal or conservative thing. It's not a socialist or capitalist thing. It's a philosophical cultural thing that seems to transcend borders, religions, laws, etc... "The trouble with jogging is that the ice falls out of your glass." - Martin Mull
Couldn't agree more - we have a culture of blame, everything is someone elses fault. What mother in her right mind lets her 14 yo date a 19 yo, especially one who needs the web to meet girls ? Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
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Ed Gadziemski wrote:
the girl decided to go on a date with a 19 year old man and got raped
I bet the guy had a bad childhood. Mike "We ain't stuck on stupid." badass Lt. General Russel Honore **"Remember - live bunnies are a great source of nourishment"**silly-assed cartoon A vegan is someone who never heard a carrot cry!
Mike Gaskey wrote:
I bet the guy had a bad childhood.
Who the fuck cares? I had a bad childhood, and I know others have as well. Having a bad childhood may fuck a kid up, but the ability to harm other people stems from somewhere else - that is to say the personality/individual. I don't care if his parents shoved pitchforks up his ass as a kid, he has no right to hurt others because of it. Jeremy Falcon
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Can you believe the hubris of this 14 year old girl and her mother? They are suing a private business because the girl decided to go on a date with a 19 year old man and got raped. Teen, mom sue MySpace.com for $30 million, claim popular Internet site fails to protect children from adult sexual predators.[^]
The other half of the equation is the stupid judges that let this stuff happen. Lawyers want the money, so I can see that, but why oh why do the stupid judges let this happen? Jeremy Falcon
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Couldn't agree more - we have a culture of blame, everything is someone elses fault. What mother in her right mind lets her 14 yo date a 19 yo, especially one who needs the web to meet girls ? Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
Christian Graus wrote:
especially one who needs the web to meet girls ?
I don't think makes someone a bad person, anti-social maybe but not neccasirly bad. What happened is wrong and terrible, but these people are blaming the wrong damned thing - probably just trying to milk it for what it's worth for money. It's digusting IMO. [edit] Oh man, this got a one-vote? Really, it's pathetic that some CPians are this stupid. [/edit] Jeremy Falcon
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espeir wrote:
Clearly nightclubs are designed to facilitate social meetings.
No, they're designed to facilitate the sale of alcholic beverages, as are bars. Anything else is just an unintended consequence. :rolleyes:
Rob Graham wrote:
No, they're designed to facilitate the sale of alcholic beverages, as are bars. Anything else is just an unintended consequence.
No, that's what grocery stores do. Everyone in the world knows clubs/bars/pubs are a social thing. Jeremy Falcon
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The Article wrote:
MySpace says on a "Tips for Parents" page that users must be 14 or older. The Web site does nothing to verify the age of the user, such as requiring a driver's license or credit card number, Loewy said.
Serious quetion: how many 14 year olds in the US have driving licenses or credit cards?
The Article wrote:
To create an account, a MySpace user must list a name, an e-mail address, sex, country and date of birth. "None of this has to be true," the lawsuit said.
Doesn't lying constitute breaking their terms or service, and void any moral or legal claim you would have as a result of that lying? (although the girl was 14 in this case - I'm just asking.)
The Article wrote:
"We feel that 1 percent of that is the bare minimum that they should compensate the girl for their failure to protect her online when they knew sexual predators were on that site," he said.
Cha-Ching! Reminds me of the mother who encouraged her teenage daughters (12-14) to get pregnant and have a baby so they could claim benefits. Some people should not be licensed to breed.
Ðavid Wulff Die Freiheit spielt auf allen Geigen (video)
"If some individuals commit an act that is contrary to what their religion tells them to do, then the religion isn't violent... the individuals are." - espeir.David Wulff wrote:
Some people should not be licensed to breed.
They'd probably sue the govt. then. :doh::laugh: Jeremy Falcon
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Christian Graus wrote:
especially one who needs the web to meet girls ?
I don't think makes someone a bad person, anti-social maybe but not neccasirly bad. What happened is wrong and terrible, but these people are blaming the wrong damned thing - probably just trying to milk it for what it's worth for money. It's digusting IMO. [edit] Oh man, this got a one-vote? Really, it's pathetic that some CPians are this stupid. [/edit] Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
I don't think makes someone a bad person, anti-social maybe but not neccasirly bad.
Well, that would make me anti social, b/c if my wife left me, and I wanted to start dating, I'd probably start online. Hell, I live online. My point tho is that when my daughter is 14, I will be VERY closed minded about stuff like this, I'd tend to fear the worst rather than let her take risks I would take myself. She was *14*, that's really my core point here.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
It's digusting IMO.
I agree, although the word I would use is 'sad'. It's sad that they can't see that they didn't take sensible precautions themselves, and that they think a pile of money will help them get through this. It won't, it will increase their tendency to blame others and feel sorry for themselveS ( not that it's not tragic, but it's also not the fault of the web site ). Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
I don't think makes someone a bad person, anti-social maybe but not neccasirly bad.
Well, that would make me anti social, b/c if my wife left me, and I wanted to start dating, I'd probably start online. Hell, I live online. My point tho is that when my daughter is 14, I will be VERY closed minded about stuff like this, I'd tend to fear the worst rather than let her take risks I would take myself. She was *14*, that's really my core point here.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
It's digusting IMO.
I agree, although the word I would use is 'sad'. It's sad that they can't see that they didn't take sensible precautions themselves, and that they think a pile of money will help them get through this. It won't, it will increase their tendency to blame others and feel sorry for themselveS ( not that it's not tragic, but it's also not the fault of the web site ). Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
Christian Graus wrote:
I will be VERY closed minded about stuff like this, I'd tend to fear the worst rather than let her take risks I would take myself. She was *14*, that's really my core point here.
I'd be the exact same way if I had a kid. But, I'd be on the lookout if the guy was met offline too. Jeremy Falcon
