Excellent Article On Racism
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Yup, and while I understand the lashing out, I just don't think we are taking a step in the right direction.
What's most ironic is that in countries like India, where people have skin color varying from really dark (as dark as an african american) to really light (can be mistaken for a white caucasian), there's this big demand for women who are lighter skinned. *shakes head* In newspaper ads (arranged marriages), parents of brides usually say something like "prospective grooms invites for white-skinned young beautiful girl of 23 years..." They say "white" skinned - sometimes "fair skinned" etc. And we had TV ads for cosmetic cream that's supposed to make girls get lighter color skin. The ad shows how a girl is rejected by a guy cause she is dark. Later she uses the cream, becomes lighter in color, and the guy is shown running after her. That was one helluva color-racist ad I would say - but no one complained :-) Regards, Nish
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
race preferences on college admissions.
For the record: I disagree with the practice of favoring minorities over more fully qualified caucasions when there is no evidence of prejudice otherwise taking place. This, I believe, is now largely the case--the US has come a long way in 40 years. However, in the not very distant past this was not the case, so institutions had to be forced to play fair. I believe the time of that has largely passed, but still needs to be watched. With that out of the way, this does not fit my requirement of an example of where whites have to "devote themselves to the interests of other races and to ignore the interests of their own." In cases where racial preference is given to minorities, or quotas are met, it is still the case that the majority of admissions, sometimes 80% or more, are given to whites. That is hardly ignoring the interests of the white race, if such a thing can even be said to exist. The population falls that way in most areas of this country, for one thing, but also there are still huge built in advantages to being born white in this country. As for bussing: I fail to see how that hurts anyone... it's a way for people with no options to get a better education due to the complete failure of funding for inner city schools. Is it the best way to fix the problem, and does it really help? Probably not, but it lets some politicians feel like they are doing something while failing to fix the real problem: lack of money in education. The Texas contract thing falls under the same category as college admissions: fair? No. Necessary at some time in the past? Probably. Time to move on? Yes. An example of keeping white man down? Absolutely not. White man is doing just fine. And by the way, no, I did not read the article (it is blocked from work). I thought the comments were from Pumpkin (or whoever the heck that is), though he has since edited it to make it clear he's quoting the article.
David Kentley wrote:
An example of keeping white man down?
no, actually an example of the white man punishing himself for the guilt of being white - the "original sin" in our PC religion. I believe that is the point being made. Mike "We ain't stuck on stupid." badass Lt. General Russel Honore **"Remember - live bunnies are a great source of nourishment"**silly-assed cartoon A vegan is someone who never heard a carrot cry!
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
The ones I can't stand are the cops, govt. workers that let the little bit of authority go to their heads.
Man, you should meet one of the guards posted at the baggage claim in San Francisco (or was it Ohare? hmmm..). That guy was really on a power trip, as he threatened me with KGB-style interrogation, for walking past him before he said I could pass. If he hadn't been an armed official, I would've knocked his sissy ass back past the immigration booths, and possibly all the way out to the arriving gate.
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
If he hadn't been an armed official, I would've knocked his sissy ass back past the immigration booths, and possibly all the way out to the arriving gate.
God I know exactly how you feel. It's usualy the boney, geeky cops, etc. too. Probably got picked on in school. Jeremy Falcon
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Isn't India the home of aryans? :~
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
Isn't India the home of aryans?
I believe that most of the original Indian Aryans were people that migrated from Europe. Regards, Nish
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Isn't India the home of aryans? :~
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
Isn't India the home of aryans?
BTW, may I know why you ask that? How would that relate to India's skin-color obsession? Regards, Nish
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Touché!
BTW, I wasn't complaining. I am happy that they double-check all brown skinned people. I mean, if I am gonna fly in that plane, I'd be happier to know they've reduced chances of some potential terrorist walking in with a bomb strapped to himself/herself. But sometimes it's a little annoying. Last MVP summit, there were some 10-12 of us awaiting to board the plane in Seattle. Me, and one other MVP (again Indian) were asked to pull out of the queue, we were taken to another room, they asked us a few basic questions like where we are going, finger printed us, and then let us board the plane. They were very polite, and almost apologetic that we didn't feel insulted or anything. But it was a little odd to go through that. Again, I understand why they do it. There are more brown skinned terrorists than there are white/black ones. So they are just being extra careful - which is good for all of us. Oh well! It's something I have got used to (and most other Indians and Pakistanis too I guess). Regards, Nish
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Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. Also visit the Ultimate Toolbox blog (New)I disagree that had anything to do with racial profiling. My wife (who is white as snow with a slight southern accent) had the same thing done in a random check in Chicago last year. She wasn't finger printed, but she's also an American citizen.
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
The ones I can't stand are the cops, govt. workers that let the little bit of authority go to their heads.
Man, you should meet one of the guards posted at the baggage claim in San Francisco (or was it Ohare? hmmm..). That guy was really on a power trip, as he threatened me with KGB-style interrogation, for walking past him before he said I could pass. If he hadn't been an armed official, I would've knocked his sissy ass back past the immigration booths, and possibly all the way out to the arriving gate.
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
If he hadn't been an armed official, I would've knocked his sissy ass back past the immigration booths, and possibly all the way out to the arriving gate.
Heh :-D Regards, Nish
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
If he hadn't been an armed official, I would've knocked his sissy ass back past the immigration booths, and possibly all the way out to the arriving gate.
God I know exactly how you feel. It's usualy the boney, geeky cops, etc. too. Probably got picked on in school. Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Probably got picked on in school.
And most likely not paid too well. Regards, Nish
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I disagree that had anything to do with racial profiling. My wife (who is white as snow with a slight southern accent) had the same thing done in a random check in Chicago last year. She wasn't finger printed, but she's also an American citizen.
espeir wrote:
I disagree that had anything to do with racial profiling. My wife (who is white as snow with a slight southern accent) had the same thing done in a random check in Chicago last year. She wasn't finger printed, but she's also an American citizen.
Well - there were about a dozen of us - and they did pick the only two non-white ones. I am not complaining about it as I understand why this is being done. Racial profiling is not necessarily a bad thing, if done in a non-racist manner (which was how it was for me in this incident I am talking about). Regards, Nish
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
Isn't India the home of aryans?
BTW, may I know why you ask that? How would that relate to India's skin-color obsession? Regards, Nish
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Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. Also visit the Ultimate Toolbox blog (New)Well, we all know about the Nazi white supremacy ideology. He even used the word "aryan" to name the white and pure race. Maybe he copied the indian "ideology", and mixed it up with hate and atrocities, to suit his agenda. (I'm not trying to imply that India(ns) are the source of Nazism)
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Probably got picked on in school.
And most likely not paid too well. Regards, Nish
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Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. Also visit the Ultimate Toolbox blog (New)Good point. Jeremy Falcon
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Well, we all know about the Nazi white supremacy ideology. He even used the word "aryan" to name the white and pure race. Maybe he copied the indian "ideology", and mixed it up with hate and atrocities, to suit his agenda. (I'm not trying to imply that India(ns) are the source of Nazism)
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
Well, we all know about the Nazi white supremacy ideology. He even used the word "aryan" to name the white and pure race. Maybe he copied the indian "ideology", and mixed it up with hate and atrocities, to suit his agenda.
Ah good point. That might explain this obsession with light colored women (and nowadays men too). Regards, Nish
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espeir wrote:
I disagree that had anything to do with racial profiling. My wife (who is white as snow with a slight southern accent) had the same thing done in a random check in Chicago last year. She wasn't finger printed, but she's also an American citizen.
Well - there were about a dozen of us - and they did pick the only two non-white ones. I am not complaining about it as I understand why this is being done. Racial profiling is not necessarily a bad thing, if done in a non-racist manner (which was how it was for me in this incident I am talking about). Regards, Nish
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Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. Also visit the Ultimate Toolbox blog (New)I don't think racial profiling is necessarily bad. Especially when you're talking about inspecting people who are coming onto an airplane. However, US airport security is supposedly not allowed to racially profile and I usually see whites being searched. I just think that whenever a racial minority endures the same thing everybody else does, they get the feeling that it's because they're a minority.
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David Kentley wrote:
Do you have an example that demonstrates this absurd assertion?
Firstly, i am not the one who made that assertion, it was in the article, but i do think an example how be where it is considered racist by the liberals to be against illegal immigration from mexico, because they are a differnet race. Stand rigid for the next battle Peace means reloading your guns The love for life is all hatred in disguise - Dimmu Borgir
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Firstly, i am not the one who made that assertion, it was in the article
Thanks for making that more clear now. I hadn't read the article because it is blocked from work.
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i do think an example how be where it is considered racist by the liberals to be against illegal immigration from mexico, because they are a differnet race.
I consider myself to be a liberal. I'll just leave it at that for now. I don't personally believe being against illegal immigration means you're racist. That is a kneejerk reaction by some who believe the whole hubbub is racially motivated. And frankly, I'm sure it is a racial thing for some who are so upset about illegal immigrants. But bringing up race just raises passions that are better off left alone, by both sides. How this fits into the section of the article I quoted is beyond me though. Say I believe in relaxed immigration laws. How does that mean I am ignoring the interests my own race? My family isn't going to suddenly go *poof* and turn Mexican. Holy shit, my kids might actually get to play with hispanic kids at school, the tragedy! Hell, it's already begun: I had a burrito for lunch! Time to lighten the mood. This was a joke told by a Mexican-American coworker: "In Mexico, I was known as a Latin Lover. Now, I'm that fucking Mexican."
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I don't think racial profiling is necessarily bad. Especially when you're talking about inspecting people who are coming onto an airplane. However, US airport security is supposedly not allowed to racially profile and I usually see whites being searched. I just think that whenever a racial minority endures the same thing everybody else does, they get the feeling that it's because they're a minority.
espeir wrote:
However, US airport security is supposedly not allowed to racially profile and I usually see whites being searched.
The whites being searched could be just a pretence. It's important to double check all brown people - so since they cannot racially profile people, they need to do dummy checks on some whites and blacks too :-) Just a theory of course.
espeir wrote:
I just think that whenever a racial minority endures the same thing everybody else does, they get the feeling that it's because they're a minority.
Possibly true. Minorities are automatically defensive. Regards, Nish
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Touché!
BTW, I wasn't complaining. I am happy that they double-check all brown skinned people. I mean, if I am gonna fly in that plane, I'd be happier to know they've reduced chances of some potential terrorist walking in with a bomb strapped to himself/herself. But sometimes it's a little annoying. Last MVP summit, there were some 10-12 of us awaiting to board the plane in Seattle. Me, and one other MVP (again Indian) were asked to pull out of the queue, we were taken to another room, they asked us a few basic questions like where we are going, finger printed us, and then let us board the plane. They were very polite, and almost apologetic that we didn't feel insulted or anything. But it was a little odd to go through that. Again, I understand why they do it. There are more brown skinned terrorists than there are white/black ones. So they are just being extra careful - which is good for all of us. Oh well! It's something I have got used to (and most other Indians and Pakistanis too I guess). Regards, Nish
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Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. Also visit the Ultimate Toolbox blog (New)As an old white guy, I can assure you that that treatment is not restricted to brown/black/yellow skinned people. I've experienced the same "extra security" hassle (more than once). Actually, I suspect that they go a bit out of their way to try to avoid accusations of 'racial profiling'. :)
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As an old white guy, I can assure you that that treatment is not restricted to brown/black/yellow skinned people. I've experienced the same "extra security" hassle (more than once). Actually, I suspect that they go a bit out of their way to try to avoid accusations of 'racial profiling'. :)
Rob Graham wrote:
As an old white guy, I can assure you that that treatment is not restricted to brown/black/yellow skinned people. I've experienced the same "extra security" hassle (more than once).
I meant just brown people. There aren't too many black/yellow terrorists in the world. So at airports, it's just the brown people who are suspected more than the others. Yellow/Black people are treated same as White people. :-)
Rob Graham wrote:
Actually, I suspect that they go a bit out of their way to try to avoid accusations of 'racial profiling'.
Yep - that's my theory too. The dummy checks on non-browns are just to avoid accusations of racial profiling :-) Regards, Nish
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so there you go. a question is asked, answered - but since it wasn't politically correct it is wrong. Mike "We ain't stuck on stupid." badass Lt. General Russel Honore **"Remember - live bunnies are a great source of nourishment"**silly-assed cartoon A vegan is someone who never heard a carrot cry!
Mike Gaskey wrote:
so there you go. a question is asked, answered - but since it wasn't politically correct it is wrong.
Jesus H. Christ. I actually agreed that the time for the things you listed has passed. But I also picked apart how it didn't answer my question. The original assertion that whites are being asked to ignore whites in order to support other races is pure hyperbole, and I couldn't let it to go unchallenged. Here's what it all comes down to for me: 1. There is no such thing as race. It is a scientifically invalid concept. (In other words: there is more variation within a so called "race" than there is between races, so there's no point in paying attention to race.) 2. Racists still exist. And you don't have to be white to be one. 3. Whites still have the power in this country, but then we are a mostly white country. Minorities used to have zero power, and this has changed dramatically through extraordinary efforts by people of all races. We are not there yet. (See #2.) 4. If given a level playing field, skewing things in favor for minorities only perpetuates inferiority. 5. When not given a level playing field, those who are in power and making the field unlevel should be forced to make it level. 6. If you believe everything is now on a level field for everybody, you live in a fantasy world.
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espeir wrote:
However, US airport security is supposedly not allowed to racially profile and I usually see whites being searched.
The whites being searched could be just a pretence. It's important to double check all brown people - so since they cannot racially profile people, they need to do dummy checks on some whites and blacks too :-) Just a theory of course.
espeir wrote:
I just think that whenever a racial minority endures the same thing everybody else does, they get the feeling that it's because they're a minority.
Possibly true. Minorities are automatically defensive. Regards, Nish
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
The whites being searched could be just a pretence. It's important to double check all brown people
I have been on many flights (mostly within the US only, as opposed to international) where only a couple of white passengers were selected for the extra search, and several brown skinned were ignored. Possibly you are just more aware of the times that someone of a racial profile similar to your own is selected. And, having been a target of the extra security (on both domestic and international flights), I can assure you that if it is 'just pretense', they do such a thorough job of 'pretending' that it is no less a hassle than whatever the 'real thing' might be.
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Rob Graham wrote:
As an old white guy, I can assure you that that treatment is not restricted to brown/black/yellow skinned people. I've experienced the same "extra security" hassle (more than once).
I meant just brown people. There aren't too many black/yellow terrorists in the world. So at airports, it's just the brown people who are suspected more than the others. Yellow/Black people are treated same as White people. :-)
Rob Graham wrote:
Actually, I suspect that they go a bit out of their way to try to avoid accusations of 'racial profiling'.
Yep - that's my theory too. The dummy checks on non-browns are just to avoid accusations of racial profiling :-) Regards, Nish
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Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. Also visit the Ultimate Toolbox blog (New)Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
he dummy checks on non-browns are just to avoid accusations of racial profiling
I don't realy think there is any difference between the checks brown people are subjected to and the one's Ive experienced, at least judging by the description you gave...