C makes developer bored....
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Super Lloyd wrote:
Thankfully I use VS as text editor (and not VI!)
For your information, vi is far better editor than the one that comes with VS (I am talking about the editor, not complete IDE, of course). So, nothing to be thankful for ;P
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we all know tale about how wonderful VI is. However if you compare the learning curve compare to the result....
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we all know tale about how wonderful VI is. However if you compare the learning curve compare to the result....
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we all know tale about how wonderful VI is. However if you compare the learning curve compare to the result....
Super Lloyd wrote:
However if you compare the learning curve compare to the result....
... you are thankful that you took time to learn how to use this great tool :)
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In response to the C# make us dumber I though I should create this post. Right now I'm porting some code to core foundation XML (Apple API) to libxml (GNU / Gnome API). It's about XML parsing as you might have guessed. Furthermore I work in ObjectiveC where there is no editor with syntax coloring / completion. I compile manually with makefile. Thankfully I use VS as text editor (and not VI!) On top of that I don't really know any of these APIs, so I should learn them as I port from one to the other. I don't feel I get any smarter. Possibly I improve my typing speed and accuracy as there is no syntax completion, coloring or help from VS to find the error. Other than that it's boooooring. And I feel I'm getting duller by the minute.... pff..... :^)
Hm, I know that VI does syntax coloring for Obj-C, I use it all the time! If you feel you are not getting any smarter, perhaps you should try LEARNING something. Or are you using "smarter" as a euphamism for being entertained by a shiny IDE where the primary feature is a debugger, and I quote, "That's so good I never have to think." And no, I'm not talking about XCode. As far as I can tell, that debugger is nearly unusable.
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Super Lloyd wrote:
However if you compare the learning curve compare to the result....
... you are thankful that you took time to learn how to use this great tool :)
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Having used BRIEF as a consultant, learned (and proselytized) EMACS while in college, switched to Visual Studio and similar tools in the mid 90's (when there was not much else out there), switched back to EMACS, and finally taken the time to learn VI and it's musclebound cousin VIM, I feel I can authoritatively say that the tool with the single highest reward-to-learning-curve ratio is VI. One either thinks as a programmer or does not. If one thinks as a programmer, then the editor should logically reflect that thought structure.
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Hm, I know that VI does syntax coloring for Obj-C, I use it all the time! If you feel you are not getting any smarter, perhaps you should try LEARNING something. Or are you using "smarter" as a euphamism for being entertained by a shiny IDE where the primary feature is a debugger, and I quote, "That's so good I never have to think." And no, I'm not talking about XCode. As far as I can tell, that debugger is nearly unusable.
andrewb999 wrote:
And no, I'm not talking about XCode. As far as I can tell, that debugger is nearly unusable.
:confused: Joke? or Irony when you just advise me a few line earlier to try to learn somthing? XCode debugger work pretty well, shall I say... (even small learning curve) Of course it's not as easy as VS.NET if it what you are used to... ;P
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andrewb999 wrote:
And no, I'm not talking about XCode. As far as I can tell, that debugger is nearly unusable.
:confused: Joke? or Irony when you just advise me a few line earlier to try to learn somthing? XCode debugger work pretty well, shall I say... (even small learning curve) Of course it's not as easy as VS.NET if it what you are used to... ;P
Hm, maybe I just had bad expectations about it. I've pretty much quit using it and just put printf's all over in my code to figure out what's what. If I recall correctly, I never could get breakpoints to trigger reilably. -andrew
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andrewb999 wrote:
And no, I'm not talking about XCode. As far as I can tell, that debugger is nearly unusable.
:confused: Joke? or Irony when you just advise me a few line earlier to try to learn somthing? XCode debugger work pretty well, shall I say... (even small learning curve) Of course it's not as easy as VS.NET if it what you are used to... ;P
Actually, my point (which I diluded by talking about XCode) is that nobody is responsible for either your education or your entertainment but you. If you are feeling either stupid or bored (either of which can be synonymous with "dull") it is almost assuredly your own responsiblity to fix it. -andrew
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Actually, my point (which I diluded by talking about XCode) is that nobody is responsible for either your education or your entertainment but you. If you are feeling either stupid or bored (either of which can be synonymous with "dull") it is almost assuredly your own responsiblity to fix it. -andrew
So: does it apply to: "C++ makes you sharper" too? In the sense that C++ doesn't make you sharper? ;P
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Super Lloyd wrote:
Thankfully I use VS as text editor (and not VI!)
For your information, vi is far better editor than the one that comes with VS (I am talking about the editor, not complete IDE, of course). So, nothing to be thankful for ;P
My programming blahblahblah blog. If you ever find anything useful here, please let me know to remove it.
I liked VI so much that I wrote a VI manual in college, 10 years ago. It was really cool at the time to be able to do things others couldn't, hands on the keyboard all the time. However, it might be time to move on. I don't think comparing the Visual Studio 2005 ide to VI is really an apples to apples comparison, to say the least. When I want to edit text now, I usually use UltraEdit, which is at least as powerful as VI, if not more so. Timothy Lee Russell http://www.anatone.net
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Super Lloyd wrote:
However if you compare the learning curve compare to the result....
A 30' wall with an overhanging lip and coils of razor wire on the top?
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You forgot the terriers on the other side.
The Welsh will always support two teams: The Welsh, and anyone playing England :)
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I'll take your word for it. I took one look at the coils on top and end-tasked my telnet window. :)
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You forgot the terriers on the other side.
The Welsh will always support two teams: The Welsh, and anyone playing England :)
Ed.Poore wrote:
You forgot the terriers on the other side.
Hahahah, I almost fell of my chair when I read that! Mario