What is missing in all football (soccer) rants...
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One thing I found amusing in all comments about football is that the people that criticize it simply don't "get" it. This is particularly strong among some anglo-saxons (americans, australians, canadians ...). Let me put this more clearly: they criticize the low scores, the bad judgement by the referees, the decision by penalties (pure luck), the cheating by players pretending faults, that some teams win by plain luck, etc, etc, etc... These complaints make all the sense and no sense at all, at the same time. Here is why: most of these people come from places where there is black and white, right and wrong, good and bad, their countries are ruled by laws, their institutions work, their justice is most of times just. No wonder that they want a sport like their life: without ambiguity; winners are winners, losers are losers and the referees are mostly right. People who love football love it also because of its "defects". We (in the 3rd world) like it exactly because our lives are like a football game: very precarious, undecided, unclear and full of injustice. Our countries and societies are not rulled by strong institutions, those who deserve do not always win and you can't trust in police and judges (or referees). What we do in places like these is to constantly reinvent a way to survive. It is a constant precariousness, just like football. Once you see it that way, you might begin to like it... At a close look, no one is normal.
Caetano VelosoWhat a load of rubbish. Soccer (or football, whatever you call it) has rules. Those who do not obey the rules are cheating. Simple. It makes no difference where you're from or what your life is like.
Diego Moita wrote:
their institutions work, their justice is most of times just.
Not sure where you got that from. It's simply not true.
Diego Moita wrote:
those who deserve do not always win and you can't trust in police and judges (or referees).
I hate to break it to you, but that's the same everywhere. I live in Australia, and it's exactly like that here. The point is that soccer is an international sport, and as such, it has rules that the players must abide by to ensure that everyone gets a fair go. Remember that there are many different countries competing, and you can't favour some over others. It has to be structured to ensure that it can be played fairly by everyone. Soccer is not an acting recital. The object of the game is to score goals to legitimately beat the opposition, not to see who can get the most free kicks by pretending they are injured. I think the players often forget that.
Ryan
"Punctuality is only a virtue for those who aren't smart enough to think of good excuses for being late" John Nichol "Point Of Impact"
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i live in australia and i am afraid to say that the place has gone mad about football(soccer - whatver you want to call it)! get over it and don't take it so personally - its not an attack on you by what code of football someone likes. and it the end of the day it is just a GAME!!!
toby peter wrote:
i am afraid to say that the place has gone mad about football
Must be a sad day for everyone there today. :(
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i live in australia and i am afraid to say that the place has gone mad about football(soccer - whatver you want to call it)! get over it and don't take it so personally - its not an attack on you by what code of football someone likes. and it the end of the day it is just a GAME!!!
toby peter wrote:
get over it and don't take it so personally - its not an attack on you by what code of football someone likes. and it the end of the day it is just a GAME!!!
Agree, agree, agree,... I am not complaining about anything. I just found funny the arguments in the rants. At a close look, no one is normal.
Caetano Veloso -
What a load of rubbish. Soccer (or football, whatever you call it) has rules. Those who do not obey the rules are cheating. Simple. It makes no difference where you're from or what your life is like.
Diego Moita wrote:
their institutions work, their justice is most of times just.
Not sure where you got that from. It's simply not true.
Diego Moita wrote:
those who deserve do not always win and you can't trust in police and judges (or referees).
I hate to break it to you, but that's the same everywhere. I live in Australia, and it's exactly like that here. The point is that soccer is an international sport, and as such, it has rules that the players must abide by to ensure that everyone gets a fair go. Remember that there are many different countries competing, and you can't favour some over others. It has to be structured to ensure that it can be played fairly by everyone. Soccer is not an acting recital. The object of the game is to score goals to legitimately beat the opposition, not to see who can get the most free kicks by pretending they are injured. I think the players often forget that.
Ryan
"Punctuality is only a virtue for those who aren't smart enough to think of good excuses for being late" John Nichol "Point Of Impact"
Oh, well... Whatever makes you happy... At a close look, no one is normal.
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One thing I found amusing in all comments about football is that the people that criticize it simply don't "get" it. This is particularly strong among some anglo-saxons (americans, australians, canadians ...). Let me put this more clearly: they criticize the low scores, the bad judgement by the referees, the decision by penalties (pure luck), the cheating by players pretending faults, that some teams win by plain luck, etc, etc, etc... These complaints make all the sense and no sense at all, at the same time. Here is why: most of these people come from places where there is black and white, right and wrong, good and bad, their countries are ruled by laws, their institutions work, their justice is most of times just. No wonder that they want a sport like their life: without ambiguity; winners are winners, losers are losers and the referees are mostly right. People who love football love it also because of its "defects". We (in the 3rd world) like it exactly because our lives are like a football game: very precarious, undecided, unclear and full of injustice. Our countries and societies are not rulled by strong institutions, those who deserve do not always win and you can't trust in police and judges (or referees). What we do in places like these is to constantly reinvent a way to survive. It is a constant precariousness, just like football. Once you see it that way, you might begin to like it... At a close look, no one is normal.
Caetano VelosoDiego Moita wrote:
People who love football love it also because of its "defects". We (in the 3rd world) like it exactly because our lives are like a football game: very precarious, undecided, unclear and full of injustice. Our countries and societies are not rulled by strong institutions, those who deserve do not always win and you can't trust in police and judges (or referees). What we do in places like these is to constantly reinvent a way to survive. It is a constant precariousness, just like football. Once you see it that way, you might begin to like it...
So.. you like this kind of life so much? :laugh: BTW, if there is a 3rd world... what is the second one? :omg:
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One thing I found amusing in all comments about football is that the people that criticize it simply don't "get" it. This is particularly strong among some anglo-saxons (americans, australians, canadians ...). Let me put this more clearly: they criticize the low scores, the bad judgement by the referees, the decision by penalties (pure luck), the cheating by players pretending faults, that some teams win by plain luck, etc, etc, etc... These complaints make all the sense and no sense at all, at the same time. Here is why: most of these people come from places where there is black and white, right and wrong, good and bad, their countries are ruled by laws, their institutions work, their justice is most of times just. No wonder that they want a sport like their life: without ambiguity; winners are winners, losers are losers and the referees are mostly right. People who love football love it also because of its "defects". We (in the 3rd world) like it exactly because our lives are like a football game: very precarious, undecided, unclear and full of injustice. Our countries and societies are not rulled by strong institutions, those who deserve do not always win and you can't trust in police and judges (or referees). What we do in places like these is to constantly reinvent a way to survive. It is a constant precariousness, just like football. Once you see it that way, you might begin to like it... At a close look, no one is normal.
Caetano VelosoYou're waaaaaaay over-analyzing things there. American adults don't like soccer because we have more sports to watch, sports that make soccer look incredibly dull by comparison. Soccer is actually very popular among young kids, because it's a simple game that young kids can grok. There's even a national organization: AYSO[^] And yes, I just spoke for all 280 million Americans ;P
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i live in australia and i am afraid to say that the place has gone mad about football(soccer - whatver you want to call it)! get over it and don't take it so personally - its not an attack on you by what code of football someone likes. and it the end of the day it is just a GAME!!!
toby peter wrote:
get over it and don't take it so personally
Its the passion for the game. Every country is passionate about one sport or the other. In India its Cricket. You should be here when the Cricket World cup starts. Total strangers meet and cheer in the streets and when their team wins, they cry, hug, laugh and shout together like they have been best buddies for life. That is passion that I was talking about. And I believe that is what a game is all about. Bringing total strangers together. Now, if you don't feel that passion then, I must say that I am sorry for you. --- Hakuna-Matada It means no worries for the rest of your days... It's our problem free, Philosophy
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You're waaaaaaay over-analyzing things there. American adults don't like soccer because we have more sports to watch, sports that make soccer look incredibly dull by comparison. Soccer is actually very popular among young kids, because it's a simple game that young kids can grok. There's even a national organization: AYSO[^] And yes, I just spoke for all 280 million Americans ;P
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Michael Dunn wrote:
And yes, I just spoke for all 280 million Americans
You wield a lot of power there, Mr Dunn ;)
Ryan
"Punctuality is only a virtue for those who aren't smart enough to think of good excuses for being late" John Nichol "Point Of Impact"
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One thing I found amusing in all comments about football is that the people that criticize it simply don't "get" it. This is particularly strong among some anglo-saxons (americans, australians, canadians ...). Let me put this more clearly: they criticize the low scores, the bad judgement by the referees, the decision by penalties (pure luck), the cheating by players pretending faults, that some teams win by plain luck, etc, etc, etc... These complaints make all the sense and no sense at all, at the same time. Here is why: most of these people come from places where there is black and white, right and wrong, good and bad, their countries are ruled by laws, their institutions work, their justice is most of times just. No wonder that they want a sport like their life: without ambiguity; winners are winners, losers are losers and the referees are mostly right. People who love football love it also because of its "defects". We (in the 3rd world) like it exactly because our lives are like a football game: very precarious, undecided, unclear and full of injustice. Our countries and societies are not rulled by strong institutions, those who deserve do not always win and you can't trust in police and judges (or referees). What we do in places like these is to constantly reinvent a way to survive. It is a constant precariousness, just like football. Once you see it that way, you might begin to like it... At a close look, no one is normal.
Caetano VelosoDiego Moita wrote:
Our countries and societies are not rulled by strong institutions, those who deserve do not always win and you can't trust in police and judges (or referees).
Wow, that sounds terrible, i'd sure hate to live in a world like that... ...oh. :sigh:
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Oh, well... Whatever makes you happy... At a close look, no one is normal.
Caetano VelosoDiego Moita wrote:
Whatever makes you happy...
...within the rules.
Ryan
"Punctuality is only a virtue for those who aren't smart enough to think of good excuses for being late" John Nichol "Point Of Impact"
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One thing I found amusing in all comments about football is that the people that criticize it simply don't "get" it. This is particularly strong among some anglo-saxons (americans, australians, canadians ...). Let me put this more clearly: they criticize the low scores, the bad judgement by the referees, the decision by penalties (pure luck), the cheating by players pretending faults, that some teams win by plain luck, etc, etc, etc... These complaints make all the sense and no sense at all, at the same time. Here is why: most of these people come from places where there is black and white, right and wrong, good and bad, their countries are ruled by laws, their institutions work, their justice is most of times just. No wonder that they want a sport like their life: without ambiguity; winners are winners, losers are losers and the referees are mostly right. People who love football love it also because of its "defects". We (in the 3rd world) like it exactly because our lives are like a football game: very precarious, undecided, unclear and full of injustice. Our countries and societies are not rulled by strong institutions, those who deserve do not always win and you can't trust in police and judges (or referees). What we do in places like these is to constantly reinvent a way to survive. It is a constant precariousness, just like football. Once you see it that way, you might begin to like it... At a close look, no one is normal.
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Diego Moita wrote:
People who love football love it also because of its "defects". We (in the 3rd world) like it exactly because our lives are like a football game: very precarious, undecided, unclear and full of injustice. Our countries and societies are not rulled by strong institutions, those who deserve do not always win and you can't trust in police and judges (or referees). What we do in places like these is to constantly reinvent a way to survive. It is a constant precariousness, just like football. Once you see it that way, you might begin to like it...
So.. you like this kind of life so much? :laugh: BTW, if there is a 3rd world... what is the second one? :omg:
Super Lloyd wrote:
BTW, if there is a 3rd world... what is the second one?
The second world is largly gone these days, there are pockets of it left. It was the communist totalitarian states such as the USSR. For all China is still a totalitarian state, it is hardly communist any more.
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You're waaaaaaay over-analyzing things there. American adults don't like soccer because we have more sports to watch, sports that make soccer look incredibly dull by comparison. Soccer is actually very popular among young kids, because it's a simple game that young kids can grok. There's even a national organization: AYSO[^] And yes, I just spoke for all 280 million Americans ;P
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Michael Dunn wrote:
American adults don't like soccer because we have more sports to watch, sports that make soccer look incredibly dull by comparison.
I went to an American Football game once. I'd never seen one before and the program said it was a 4 quarters of 15 minutes. Okay, fair enough, I thought. 3 hours later and I'm still in the stadium and I was falling asleep. What an increadibly dull game!
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Super Lloyd wrote:
BTW, if there is a 3rd world... what is the second one?
The second world is largly gone these days, there are pockets of it left. It was the communist totalitarian states such as the USSR. For all China is still a totalitarian state, it is hardly communist any more.
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Interesting. I'm too young, I didn't know of it, and only today I wondered! :-D
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Michael Dunn wrote:
American adults don't like soccer because we have more sports to watch, sports that make soccer look incredibly dull by comparison.
I went to an American Football game once. I'd never seen one before and the program said it was a 4 quarters of 15 minutes. Okay, fair enough, I thought. 3 hours later and I'm still in the stadium and I was falling asleep. What an increadibly dull game!
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You're waaaaaaay over-analyzing things there. American adults don't like soccer because we have more sports to watch, sports that make soccer look incredibly dull by comparison. Soccer is actually very popular among young kids, because it's a simple game that young kids can grok. There's even a national organization: AYSO[^] And yes, I just spoke for all 280 million Americans ;P
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Michael Dunn wrote:
because it's a simple game that young kids can grok
simple to play for very young children. It has taken over from little league because of the simplicity. Only a small percentage of 7 and 8 year olds can do anything on a baseball diamond. The sport requires eye hand coordination. Just about any kid can kick a soccer ball.
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
What an increadibly dull game!
Many sports can be dull if you don't understand them. So is the sport dull or the spectator? :-D
led mike wrote:
So is the sport dull or the spectator?
Me, I'm an increadibly interesting person. The sport is dull and the organisers know it because of the amount of eye candy in the form of pretty dancing girls to keep the crowd entertained. They aren't there for any other reason than to keep the audience in the stadium. If they weren't there the stadium would be near empty. The last time I was at a proper football match the non-sporting entertainment was "Sammy the Tammy" which was just a guy dressed up in a squirrle suit with a cap on its head that ran around the park a couple of times keeping everyone entertained BEFORE the game started.
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led mike wrote:
So is the sport dull or the spectator?
Me, I'm an increadibly interesting person. The sport is dull and the organisers know it because of the amount of eye candy in the form of pretty dancing girls to keep the crowd entertained. They aren't there for any other reason than to keep the audience in the stadium. If they weren't there the stadium would be near empty. The last time I was at a proper football match the non-sporting entertainment was "Sammy the Tammy" which was just a guy dressed up in a squirrle suit with a cap on its head that ran around the park a couple of times keeping everyone entertained BEFORE the game started.
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
The sport is dull and the organisers know it because of the amount of eye candy in the form of pretty dancing girls
Not logical. NBA always had pretty dancing girls but still was not popular until recent years. The popularity of the "sport" of basketball has risen dramatically in the past 30 years. That is why the spectatorship has increased not because of the commercialization. PGA spectatorship has risen in the past decade due to the rise in popularity of the "sport" (if you can call it that) of Golf, they have no pretty dancing girls. I imagine most spectators of PGA events actually play golf, that's why they don't find it dull.
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What a load of rubbish. Soccer (or football, whatever you call it) has rules. Those who do not obey the rules are cheating. Simple. It makes no difference where you're from or what your life is like.
Diego Moita wrote:
their institutions work, their justice is most of times just.
Not sure where you got that from. It's simply not true.
Diego Moita wrote:
those who deserve do not always win and you can't trust in police and judges (or referees).
I hate to break it to you, but that's the same everywhere. I live in Australia, and it's exactly like that here. The point is that soccer is an international sport, and as such, it has rules that the players must abide by to ensure that everyone gets a fair go. Remember that there are many different countries competing, and you can't favour some over others. It has to be structured to ensure that it can be played fairly by everyone. Soccer is not an acting recital. The object of the game is to score goals to legitimately beat the opposition, not to see who can get the most free kicks by pretending they are injured. I think the players often forget that.
Ryan
"Punctuality is only a virtue for those who aren't smart enough to think of good excuses for being late" John Nichol "Point Of Impact"
Of course football has rules, but the fact that the referee is a human that can be mistaken sometimes, spices the game (among other factors). I can imagine the frustration Australian fans are feeling because the referee invented a penalty kick that didn't exist, and that mistake eliminated Australia from advancing to quarter finals. A polar bear is a bear whose coordinates has been changed in terms of sine and cosine.