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Mr. Dunlap - Conversely, listen to this interview with Mary Roach on her book "Spook: Science Tackles the Afterlife.[^] There was a study where cardiologists at the University of Virginia were interested in trying to verify the out-of-body experience. What they did was setup a laptop open flat facing the ceiling. The laptop displayed different images at different intervals. The cardiologists were specifically looking at patients that had diffibulators being inserted (to kick-start their heart; installation requires the stoppage of the heart briefly). The cardiologists asked all of their patients if they remember anything from their experience in the operating room and of the 24 that claim that they did, none of them could identify what was on the laptop screen at the time of their heart stoppage. Not that this proves much of anything, but these are the sorts of controlled studies I enjoy hearing about when studying the after-life. And of course, there's always the possibility that proving the existance of another realm is outside our current testing capabilities. Jim RunFatBoy.net[^] - Exercise for the rest of us.
AAntix wrote:
The cardiologists were specifically looking at patients that had diffibulators being inserted (to kick-start their heart; installation requires the stoppage of the heart briefly). The cardiologists asked all of their patients if they remember anything from their experience in the operating room and of the 24 that claim that they did, none of them could identify what was on the laptop screen at the time of their heart stoppage.
That is most interesting! Regards, Nish
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My last name certainly indicate northern heritage. Sigvardsson means Son of Sigvard. Sigvard is a swedified version of the old northern name Sigurd. Sigurd means Guardian of Victory. There you have it! :cool: Jörgen however, is derived from the greek name Georgios, which in turn is derived from Georgos, which means farmer. :^)
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So, you are a farmer who is a son of the guardian of victory? :) Farhan Noor Qureshi if (this == this) thow this;
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The name's probably it. May I ask what you perceive of me, just by looking at my name? Line noise? :-D
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
May I ask what you perceive of me, just by looking at my name?
A good CPer! ;P Farhan Noor Qureshi if (this == this) thow this;
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Last night my grandfather passed away. He was 89. He was stricken with Parkinsons and a whole host of other ailments that seem to come along when you get 80+ years old. His last 7 years he lived with Dementia, often forgetting the names of his children and close friends. It was the first time I ever saw someone dying right in front of me. His breathing was shallow and rapid. I hate the sight of seeing him in pain. I hate that my final memories are of him in this fragile state. I've always had difficulty accepting death. The idea of "just accept it and move on" seems to never provide me any comfort. When I think about my death or the death of my loved ones, my entire body reacts making my knees weak, heart race, and all of my thoughts are consumed with trying to find resolve. How do you live on in peace knowing the inevitable? Jim RunFatBoy.net[^] - Exercise for the rest of us.
I'd like to thank everyone who gave their condolences and offered perspective. While spending time with family and friends always seems to be the best medicine, I thoroughly enjoy the therapy received from anonymous, objective posters. Thanks to everyone who has helped me out during this time. Jim RunFatBoy.net[^] - Exercise for the rest of us.
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code-frog wrote:
In fact you just created division over someone trying to show kindness and support.
Hey Rex, This is part of what that guy said :- You need to find out what it means to accept Jesus as your Saviour and Lord. There is no hope otherwise. That last sentence about non-Jesusites having no hope was totally uncalled for! I thought it particularly selfish that he was trying to take advantage of someone's misery to preach his religious beliefs. Regards, Nish
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This is part of what that guy said :- You need to find out what it means to accept Jesus as your Saviour and Lord. There is no hope otherwise. That last sentence about non-Jesusites having no hope was totally uncalled for! I thought it particularly selfish that he was trying to take advantage of someone's misery to preach his religious beliefs.
As an ex-atheist I can see both sides of this. What he said stemmed from directly from the fact that according to the Gospels Jesus said quite unequivocally that "there is no way to the Father except through me". The Christian tenet that if you don't follow Jesus you cannot be saved (as in "saved from death to live eternal life with God") stems directly from this. It therefore shouldn't be a surprise that many Christians will see it as part of their calling to make others aware of the implications of this, and to try to save them. That may seem odd (and rude!) to many but it is an absolutely central part of Christian doctrine. :rose: Anna :rose: Currently working mostly on: Visual Lint :cool: Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.
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Michael A. Barnhart wrote:
I know my children and friends will remember the man I was. That is enough for me. This last fathers day was rough for me. First with out dad around. However my children wrote me a letter telling me what I meant and had taught them. (Tears are comming as I write this.) It did really mean a lot and they surprised me with the details.
I think I know what I need to do for my Dad's birthday tomorrow. Thanks. :rose:
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Dad's birthday
I hope he has a happy birthday. :-D "Yes I know the voices are not real. But they have some pretty good ideas."
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Most of us are very opinionated on religion, one way or another, but perhaps its best to let it go, leave what was said as it is. The poster asked for peace and comfort, and we turn around by starting a flamewar about whether God exists? Ugh. Let's let this go for now.
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I couldn't have put it better myself. 5. :rose: Anna :rose: Currently working mostly on: Visual Lint :cool: Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.
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Last night my grandfather passed away. He was 89. He was stricken with Parkinsons and a whole host of other ailments that seem to come along when you get 80+ years old. His last 7 years he lived with Dementia, often forgetting the names of his children and close friends. It was the first time I ever saw someone dying right in front of me. His breathing was shallow and rapid. I hate the sight of seeing him in pain. I hate that my final memories are of him in this fragile state. I've always had difficulty accepting death. The idea of "just accept it and move on" seems to never provide me any comfort. When I think about my death or the death of my loved ones, my entire body reacts making my knees weak, heart race, and all of my thoughts are consumed with trying to find resolve. How do you live on in peace knowing the inevitable? Jim RunFatBoy.net[^] - Exercise for the rest of us.
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AAntix wrote:
I am not wanting to start a flame war, as I am very agnostic on the idea, but what makes you cling to the idea of an afterlife? Is it just out of comfort, or is there some sort of scientific basis?
I have no scientific basis - such a thing would require the ability to run controlled tests, and that would be impractical (and likely quite unethical). I believe in a Creator who sets our lives in motion for reasons of His own, and has indicated that once this vast project has been completed, He intends to revive the souls of all who were involved in it. I believe that, although his reasons are for the most part inscrutable to us, He has indicated His love for us by providing a means of salvation apart from that which we could achieve on our own. Why do i believe these things? I could say that it is because i was taught them as a child, and have clung to them over time... but this is useless, as there are many things i learned as a child which have failed me and been discarded. Rather, i suspect that i believe in the Creator and the Resurrection for the same reasons i believe in Truth and Life - that these things which i originally accepted on faith based on those who taught them to me have become, over time, beliefs that have found their way into the way i look at the world around me. A cynic might say i believe out of habit; i concede this possibility, but do not consider it either a useful or valid stance. Rather, i believe because God has permitted me to believe. :)
AAntix wrote:
but the whole idea just doesn't quite analign with my analytical thinking. And that saddens me even more.
Analytical thinking is very useful. But it is always important to keep in mind that there are many, many times when you will not have enough data to analyze, and will ultimately end up just picking the answer that sounds best. What that is, and whether it is ultimately true or useful, depend a lot more on your state of mind than on any real skill.
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Thank for putting that into words.
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I'd like to thank everyone who gave their condolences and offered perspective. While spending time with family and friends always seems to be the best medicine, I thoroughly enjoy the therapy received from anonymous, objective posters. Thanks to everyone who has helped me out during this time. Jim RunFatBoy.net[^] - Exercise for the rest of us.
You are welcome and I truly hope I haven't offended you. Family is very important at times like these. I just prayed for you and your family.
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