Anti-Israel protest in South Africa
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From a story on a local internet site: PALESTINE solidarity groups across South Africa are planning nationwide mass demonstrations on Friday against the Israeli invasion of the West Bank... :confused: This kind of thing happens here every so often, and I always wonder what the point is. Do these people really think that a protest in South Africa is going to have any effect on the situation in Israel? As if the Israelis are going to say "Ooh, the South Africans are upset, we'd better stop fighting now!"
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From a story on a local internet site: PALESTINE solidarity groups across South Africa are planning nationwide mass demonstrations on Friday against the Israeli invasion of the West Bank... :confused: This kind of thing happens here every so often, and I always wonder what the point is. Do these people really think that a protest in South Africa is going to have any effect on the situation in Israel? As if the Israelis are going to say "Ooh, the South Africans are upset, we'd better stop fighting now!"
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There will be a demonstration against Israel tomorrow here in Berne ( Switzerland) too. That is an important sign to the address of Sharon, to finally stop repression agains the palestinians. zack:rose:
I was not aware that the protests were worldwide. I just thought it was a pointless exercise by some angry people. Perhaps if protests occurred in many countries simultaneously it would have an effect.
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I was not aware that the protests were worldwide. I just thought it was a pointless exercise by some angry people. Perhaps if protests occurred in many countries simultaneously it would have an effect.
MarSCoZa wrote: Perhaps if protests occurred in many countries simultaneously it would have an effect. Why, Would it have some effect on the orbital spin of the planet ? Would they hear us above the gunfire ? I think not ! Protests are for fringe dwelling political leaders to gather support, they don't really alter anything. If these people were not protesting about Israel they would be protesting about something else. Protesters are a life-form below that of cyclists. :-) Regardz Colin J Davies
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From a story on a local internet site: PALESTINE solidarity groups across South Africa are planning nationwide mass demonstrations on Friday against the Israeli invasion of the West Bank... :confused: This kind of thing happens here every so often, and I always wonder what the point is. Do these people really think that a protest in South Africa is going to have any effect on the situation in Israel? As if the Israelis are going to say "Ooh, the South Africans are upset, we'd better stop fighting now!"
Isreal is gonna pull out because Bush requested it and Powell is on his way to the mideast. Watch these Africans jump up and down thinking they accomplished something. If I was Bush I would have said the same thing.. that I am requesting Isreal to pull out and cease the military action.. however I would have followed it up by saying that if there is one more act of terrorism I would fully support Isreal in further actions and that we WOULD end the terrorism TOGETHER by force. If they bomb after Isreal pulls out this time (and we all know they will) they OBVIOUSLY do not want peace (and we all know they don't). -Jack To an optimist the glass is half full. To a pessimist the glass is half empty. To a programmer the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.
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Isreal is gonna pull out because Bush requested it and Powell is on his way to the mideast. Watch these Africans jump up and down thinking they accomplished something. If I was Bush I would have said the same thing.. that I am requesting Isreal to pull out and cease the military action.. however I would have followed it up by saying that if there is one more act of terrorism I would fully support Isreal in further actions and that we WOULD end the terrorism TOGETHER by force. If they bomb after Isreal pulls out this time (and we all know they will) they OBVIOUSLY do not want peace (and we all know they don't). -Jack To an optimist the glass is half full. To a pessimist the glass is half empty. To a programmer the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.
Jack Handy wrote: If they bomb after Isreal pulls out this time (and we all know they will) they OBVIOUSLY do not want peace (and we all know they don't). Then why should Israel pull out ? When the USA started its anti Terrorism war last year, It appears to only have been Anti-American terrorism that the rest of the world is expected to fight against. :confused: Regardz Colin J Davies
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I think it's interesting that we often qu-ote each other in our sigs and attribute the qu-otes to "The Lounge". --- Daniel Fergusson, "The Lounge"
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There will be a demonstration against Israel tomorrow here in Berne ( Switzerland) too. That is an important sign to the address of Sharon, to finally stop repression agains the palestinians. zack:rose:
And when are the Palestinians going to finally stop blowing themselves up in cafes and restaurants. IMO, there is wrongdoing on both sides, but at least Israel in the past has offered to compromise. Barak put a piece deal on the table years ago that was a huge offering on his part, but because *all* of Jerusalem wasnt on the table Arafat rejected it. One of the problems that I am finding with this whole situation is the very biased one-sided reporting against Israel. When I see a report about a Israeli soldier killing a Palestinian civilian the report pans the Israeli govt and military. Conversely, when I see a report about a Palestian suicide bomber killing twenty in a cafe, there seems to be no negativity towards the Palestinian Authority. Personally I wish that common sense would prevail and that they would all just work it out. In the immortal words of someone famous. "Can't we all just get along?"
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Jack Handy wrote: If they bomb after Isreal pulls out this time (and we all know they will) they OBVIOUSLY do not want peace (and we all know they don't). Then why should Israel pull out ? When the USA started its anti Terrorism war last year, It appears to only have been Anti-American terrorism that the rest of the world is expected to fight against. :confused: Regardz Colin J Davies
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I think it's interesting that we often qu-ote each other in our sigs and attribute the qu-otes to "The Lounge". --- Daniel Fergusson, "The Lounge"
****Colin Davies wrote: When the USA started its anti Terrorism war last year, It appears to only have been Anti-American terrorism that the rest of the world is expected to fight against. I fail to see how this is in any way surprising. Americans are the epitome of self-interest. :| "There is a fine line between lunacy and genius; it is my goal in life to keep them guessing just where the line lies..." -- Unknown
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Jack Handy wrote: If they bomb after Isreal pulls out this time (and we all know they will) they OBVIOUSLY do not want peace (and we all know they don't). Then why should Israel pull out ? When the USA started its anti Terrorism war last year, It appears to only have been Anti-American terrorism that the rest of the world is expected to fight against. :confused: Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
I think it's interesting that we often qu-ote each other in our sigs and attribute the qu-otes to "The Lounge". --- Daniel Fergusson, "The Lounge"
****Colin Davies wrote: Then why should Israel pull out ? I don't beleive they should without an ultimatum that would be enforced. ****Colin Davies wrote: When the USA started its anti Terrorism war last year, It appears to only have been Anti-American terrorism that the rest of the world is expected to fight against. I think that all terrorism should be fought against, I also think that America needs to fight against the anti-American terrorism while allowing Isreal to fight against anti-Isreali terrorism. I don't think that we are doing such a great job on the latter because of polotics, but we'll see. As far as the rest of the terrorism in the world it needs to be dealt with by someone.. but I don't think America is required to be that someone. -Jack To an optimist the glass is half full. To a pessimist the glass is half empty. To a programmer the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.
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MarSCoZa wrote: Perhaps if protests occurred in many countries simultaneously it would have an effect. Why, Would it have some effect on the orbital spin of the planet ? Would they hear us above the gunfire ? I think not ! Protests are for fringe dwelling political leaders to gather support, they don't really alter anything. If these people were not protesting about Israel they would be protesting about something else. Protesters are a life-form below that of cyclists. :-) Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
I think it's interesting that we often qu-ote each other in our sigs and attribute the qu-otes to "The Lounge". --- Daniel Fergusson, "The Lounge"
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From a story on a local internet site: PALESTINE solidarity groups across South Africa are planning nationwide mass demonstrations on Friday against the Israeli invasion of the West Bank... :confused: This kind of thing happens here every so often, and I always wonder what the point is. Do these people really think that a protest in South Africa is going to have any effect on the situation in Israel? As if the Israelis are going to say "Ooh, the South Africans are upset, we'd better stop fighting now!"
MarSCoZa wrote: This kind of thing happens here every so often, and I always wonder what the point is. Do these people really think that a protest in South Africa is going to have any effect on the situation in Israel? As if the Israelis are going to say "Ooh, the South Africans are upset, we'd better stop fighting now!" To answer your first question: No, nothing will stop the Israelis and Palestinians fighting short of an armed peace-force. However protests like this can actually make a difference. During apartheid Swiss activists, Pommy do-gooders and many Americans protested in their countries to end apartheid in South Africa. They brought a lot of attention to the plight of the disadvantaged here in SA. When your own people clamour for something the politicians normally, in hope of getting more votes, do something about it. Frankly the world should stop talking and start doing in regards to Israel and Palestine. The momentum there is too great for words to stop it. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa The greatest thing you'll ever learn is just to love, and to be loved in return - Moulin Rouge
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MarSCoZa wrote: This kind of thing happens here every so often, and I always wonder what the point is. Do these people really think that a protest in South Africa is going to have any effect on the situation in Israel? As if the Israelis are going to say "Ooh, the South Africans are upset, we'd better stop fighting now!" To answer your first question: No, nothing will stop the Israelis and Palestinians fighting short of an armed peace-force. However protests like this can actually make a difference. During apartheid Swiss activists, Pommy do-gooders and many Americans protested in their countries to end apartheid in South Africa. They brought a lot of attention to the plight of the disadvantaged here in SA. When your own people clamour for something the politicians normally, in hope of getting more votes, do something about it. Frankly the world should stop talking and start doing in regards to Israel and Palestine. The momentum there is too great for words to stop it. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa The greatest thing you'll ever learn is just to love, and to be loved in return - Moulin Rouge
Paul Watson wrote: nothing will stop the Israelis and Palestinians fighting short of an armed peace-force Twenty or Thirty points of IQ would probably make a difference too. ;) A bit of emotional maturity would be a great help as well. Both sides should stop indoctrinating their children with hatred, and have the decency/strength to move forward. Paul Watson wrote: The momentum there is too great for words to stop it. Well said; I agree. "There is a fine line between lunacy and genius; it is my goal in life to keep them guessing just where the line lies..." -- Unknown
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Colin you are just outing yourself about knowing less than nothing about "protesters". :confused: zack
zack wrote: you are just outing yourself about knowing less than nothing about "protesters". I said Protests are for fringe dwelling political leaders to gather support, And I sincerly mean it, most protesters have good intentions but are commonly manipulated into conducting criminal activity to support the hidden agenda of a political movement. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
I think it's interesting that we often qu-ote each other in our sigs and attribute the qu-otes to "The Lounge". --- Daniel Fergusson, "The Lounge"
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From a story on a local internet site: PALESTINE solidarity groups across South Africa are planning nationwide mass demonstrations on Friday against the Israeli invasion of the West Bank... :confused: This kind of thing happens here every so often, and I always wonder what the point is. Do these people really think that a protest in South Africa is going to have any effect on the situation in Israel? As if the Israelis are going to say "Ooh, the South Africans are upset, we'd better stop fighting now!"
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****Colin Davies wrote: Then why should Israel pull out ? I don't beleive they should without an ultimatum that would be enforced. ****Colin Davies wrote: When the USA started its anti Terrorism war last year, It appears to only have been Anti-American terrorism that the rest of the world is expected to fight against. I think that all terrorism should be fought against, I also think that America needs to fight against the anti-American terrorism while allowing Isreal to fight against anti-Isreali terrorism. I don't think that we are doing such a great job on the latter because of polotics, but we'll see. As far as the rest of the terrorism in the world it needs to be dealt with by someone.. but I don't think America is required to be that someone. -Jack To an optimist the glass is half full. To a pessimist the glass is half empty. To a programmer the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.
Jack Handy wrote: As far as the rest of the terrorism in the world it needs to be dealt with by someone.. but I don't think America is required to be that someone. Yeah, its just last September G.Dubba.Bush asked for the worlds countries to be with or against the USA. In shock a lot of countries said they would help fight terrorism, but it appears that it was only Anti-American terrorism. Many countries have engagements in Afghanistan currently due to this. I guess one mans freedom fighter is another mans terrorist. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
I think it's interesting that we often qu-ote each other in our sigs and attribute the qu-otes to "The Lounge". --- Daniel Fergusson, "The Lounge"
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MarSCoZa wrote: This kind of thing happens here every so often, and I always wonder what the point is. Do these people really think that a protest in South Africa is going to have any effect on the situation in Israel? As if the Israelis are going to say "Ooh, the South Africans are upset, we'd better stop fighting now!" To answer your first question: No, nothing will stop the Israelis and Palestinians fighting short of an armed peace-force. However protests like this can actually make a difference. During apartheid Swiss activists, Pommy do-gooders and many Americans protested in their countries to end apartheid in South Africa. They brought a lot of attention to the plight of the disadvantaged here in SA. When your own people clamour for something the politicians normally, in hope of getting more votes, do something about it. Frankly the world should stop talking and start doing in regards to Israel and Palestine. The momentum there is too great for words to stop it. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa The greatest thing you'll ever learn is just to love, and to be loved in return - Moulin Rouge
Paul Watson wrote: During apartheid Swiss activists, Pommy do-gooders and many Americans protested in their countries to end apartheid in South Africa. They brought a lot of attention to the plight of the disadvantaged here in SA. When your own people clamour for something the politicians normally, in hope of getting more votes, do something about it. Do you really believe those protests caused a difference? I believe they were communist inspired plots to cause International instability using S.A. as an excuse. Also the Commies wanted S.A.s resources. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
I think it's interesting that we often qu-ote each other in our sigs and attribute the qu-otes to "The Lounge". --- Daniel Fergusson, "The Lounge"
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Jack Handy wrote: If they bomb after Isreal pulls out this time (and we all know they will) they OBVIOUSLY do not want peace (and we all know they don't). Then why should Israel pull out ? When the USA started its anti Terrorism war last year, It appears to only have been Anti-American terrorism that the rest of the world is expected to fight against. :confused: Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
I think it's interesting that we often qu-ote each other in our sigs and attribute the qu-otes to "The Lounge". --- Daniel Fergusson, "The Lounge"
Hypothetically... If I go off my lid and blow up the Isreali emabassy, how can Arafat control me? Or be responsable for me? Everyone has their opinions and some people will not even listen to him. It's like the Whites in South Africa saying to Mandela: Tell all the black people to stop their crime. 99% of the criminals will just laugh at Mandela. The Palestinians are freedom fighters. Full stop. Ths USA called the ANC that during apartheid. Cheers Mike Johannesburg, South Africa
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And when are the Palestinians going to finally stop blowing themselves up in cafes and restaurants. IMO, there is wrongdoing on both sides, but at least Israel in the past has offered to compromise. Barak put a piece deal on the table years ago that was a huge offering on his part, but because *all* of Jerusalem wasnt on the table Arafat rejected it. One of the problems that I am finding with this whole situation is the very biased one-sided reporting against Israel. When I see a report about a Israeli soldier killing a Palestinian civilian the report pans the Israeli govt and military. Conversely, when I see a report about a Palestian suicide bomber killing twenty in a cafe, there seems to be no negativity towards the Palestinian Authority. Personally I wish that common sense would prevail and that they would all just work it out. In the immortal words of someone famous. "Can't we all just get along?"
John Judd wrote: And when are the Palestinians going to finally stop blowing themselves up in cafes and restaurants. IMO, there is wrongdoing on both sides, but at least Israel in the past has offered to compromise. Barak put a piece deal on the table years ago that was a huge offering on his part, but because *all* of Jerusalem wasnt on the table Arafat rejected it. Only they can answer that one. It's heartbreaking, but I suspect we'll be waiting a long long time. John Judd wrote: One of the problems that I am finding with this whole situation is the very biased one-sided reporting against Israel. When I see a report about a Israeli soldier killing a Palestinian civilian the report pans the Israeli govt and military. Conversely, when I see a report about a Palestian suicide bomber killing twenty in a cafe, there seems to be no negativity towards the Palestinian Authority. Very true. It always seems to me that while we (i.e. the West) are hardened to violence from Palestinian terrorists, we consider Israel to be a civilised (read: Westernised) nation like ourselves and therefore expect them to behave "better" than that. As a result, when incidents like those of the last few days happen, the Israeli government gets slammed by the media. Just my pet theory. :confused: John Judd wrote: Personally I wish that common sense would prevail and that they would all just work it out. In the immortal words of someone famous. "Can't we all just get along?" Anyone with an ounce of compassion and common sense will feel the same. Unfortunately, that doesn't include the terrorists or governments involved. :( Andy Metcalfe - Sonardyne International Ltd
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Hypothetically... If I go off my lid and blow up the Isreali emabassy, how can Arafat control me? Or be responsable for me? Everyone has their opinions and some people will not even listen to him. It's like the Whites in South Africa saying to Mandela: Tell all the black people to stop their crime. 99% of the criminals will just laugh at Mandela. The Palestinians are freedom fighters. Full stop. Ths USA called the ANC that during apartheid. Cheers Mike Johannesburg, South Africa
Mike Epprecht wrote: Hypothetically... If I go off my lid and blow up the Isreali emabassy, how can Arafat control me? Or be responsable for me? Arafat supports Hamas and gives the families of suicide bombers money, not to consol their loss but because they were a martyr. Is that enough? James Sonork: Hasaki "I left there in the morning with their God tucked underneath my arm their half-assed smiles and the book of rules. So I asked this God a question and by way of firm reply, He said - I'm not the kind you have to wind up on Sundays." "Wind Up" from Aqualung, Jethro Tull 1971
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Isreal is gonna pull out because Bush requested it and Powell is on his way to the mideast. Watch these Africans jump up and down thinking they accomplished something. If I was Bush I would have said the same thing.. that I am requesting Isreal to pull out and cease the military action.. however I would have followed it up by saying that if there is one more act of terrorism I would fully support Isreal in further actions and that we WOULD end the terrorism TOGETHER by force. If they bomb after Isreal pulls out this time (and we all know they will) they OBVIOUSLY do not want peace (and we all know they don't). -Jack To an optimist the glass is half full. To a pessimist the glass is half empty. To a programmer the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.
What makes you think that the view of the USA carry any weight whatsoever with the Palistinians ? The USA is a huge financier to Isreal and as such is viewed with suspician from the Palistinian point of view .The Isrealis will listen because of all the money that the US gives it . The biggest possible influence on the Palistinians would be fellow Arab countries such as Saudi , that is why the recent events where Sharon effectively blocked Arrafat from attending the Arab summit was a wasted opportunity. The Palistinians may listen to a European country more than the US , which is odd really because it can be argued that it was because of a huge cock up by us Brits in the way the Palistinian mandate was created that led to this unholy mess in the first place.