Football is Haram too apparently
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Yeah, I suppose too he was not talking about these ones[^]. As treason, terrorism is a matter of dates.
I'm kept awake at night by the sounds of anthracite screaming.
Oh, that one[^]? Corrie and the other idiots in the ISM ain't peace activists. Ryan
"Michael Moore and Mel Gibson are the same person, except for a few sit-ups. Moore thought his cheesy political blooper reel was going to tell people how to vote. Mel thought that his little gay SM movie about his imaginary friend was going to help him get to heaven." - Penn Jillette
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A.A. wrote:
The propaganda machine seems to be warming up. It seems Somalia is becoming relevant.
bombs away!
A.A. wrote:
If just a portion of the Israeli crimes were drummed up
like fighting to survive?
A.A. wrote:
W(and his supporters) would be asking for tough action against Israel.
never happen - the world owes them a debt, thanks to Hitler. Mike Dear NYT - the fact is, the founding fathers hung traitors.
Screw the debt, it's the only functional country in the region. Ryan
"Michael Moore and Mel Gibson are the same person, except for a few sit-ups. Moore thought his cheesy political blooper reel was going to tell people how to vote. Mel thought that his little gay SM movie about his imaginary friend was going to help him get to heaven." - Penn Jillette
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I know you have difficulties to understand this, but sometimes things are not either black or white but in a shade of grey.
It is easier to make war than to make peace. Fold with us! ¤ flickr
K(arl) wrote:
but sometimes things are not either black or white but in a shade of grey.
And sometimes they are clearly black and white - such as a picture of a six year old throwing something at a tank. Six year olds don't do stuff like that on their own. It was staged, at the risk of the child's life and you posted it to promote your world view. That tells me everything I need to know about the morality of your politics. "You get that which you tolerate"
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Daniel R Ferguson wrote:
let's send over a few troops to kick some Islamofacist ass!
When you're right, you're right. We should indeed. In fact, it would probably have been a great idea to have attacked Somalia first. We could have armed and trained the indiginous population there, and used them to invade Afganistan and Iraq. I'm sure they would have loved a little tit-for-tat. "You get that which you tolerate"
Stan Shannon wrote:
In fact, it would probably have been a great idea to have attacked Somalia first.
It would give more credibility to the "free oppressed people from their dictators" angle; it seems like Iraq was only "freed" because of oil money. As much as I criticize the USA for their wrongdoings, I know that they'd never do something as stupid as shoot people for watching a freakin' football match on TV. The Islamists are a sad bunch though. :sigh:
I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours. ~Stephen Roberts
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A.A. wrote:
The propaganda machine seems to be warming up. It seems Somalia is becoming relevant.
bombs away!
A.A. wrote:
If just a portion of the Israeli crimes were drummed up
like fighting to survive?
A.A. wrote:
W(and his supporters) would be asking for tough action against Israel.
never happen - the world owes them a debt, thanks to Hitler. Mike Dear NYT - the fact is, the founding fathers hung traitors.
Mike Gaskey wrote:
like fighting to survive?
Israel is fighting to survive, but so are the Palestinians. Sending helicopter gunships to blow people up is effectively the same as sending young people wearing explosives. Neither is in the right. The Roadmap to Peace was a fantastic idea because it was balanced. I'm surprised and impressed that the US government thought of it and (in my opinion) it's the fault of the people in the Middle East that it didn't work.
Mike Gaskey wrote:
never happen - the world owes them a debt, thanks to Hitler.
You'd think that after their whole culture was persucuted by the Nazis that the Jews would be more understanding, but it seems that they are doing the same thing Hitler did. That's hypocrisy and using guilt over the Holocaust does not excuse it.
I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours. ~Stephen Roberts
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
like fighting to survive?
Israel is fighting to survive, but so are the Palestinians. Sending helicopter gunships to blow people up is effectively the same as sending young people wearing explosives. Neither is in the right. The Roadmap to Peace was a fantastic idea because it was balanced. I'm surprised and impressed that the US government thought of it and (in my opinion) it's the fault of the people in the Middle East that it didn't work.
Mike Gaskey wrote:
never happen - the world owes them a debt, thanks to Hitler.
You'd think that after their whole culture was persucuted by the Nazis that the Jews would be more understanding, but it seems that they are doing the same thing Hitler did. That's hypocrisy and using guilt over the Holocaust does not excuse it.
I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours. ~Stephen Roberts
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Daniel R Ferguson wrote:
but it seems that they are doing the same thing Hitler did
Are you taking the piss? Or have you really bought into that? Ryan
"Michael Moore and Mel Gibson are the same person, except for a few sit-ups. Moore thought his cheesy political blooper reel was going to tell people how to vote. Mel thought that his little gay SM movie about his imaginary friend was going to help him get to heaven." - Penn Jillette
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Stan Shannon wrote:
In fact, it would probably have been a great idea to have attacked Somalia first.
It would give more credibility to the "free oppressed people from their dictators" angle; it seems like Iraq was only "freed" because of oil money. As much as I criticize the USA for their wrongdoings, I know that they'd never do something as stupid as shoot people for watching a freakin' football match on TV. The Islamists are a sad bunch though. :sigh:
I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours. ~Stephen Roberts
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Daniel R Ferguson wrote:
it seems like Iraq was only "freed" because of oil money.
No, the sad part is that is people believe that merely because that want to believe it. Frankly, I wish we had done it for oil. "You get that which you tolerate" -- modified at 7:29 Thursday 6th July, 2006
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Daniel R Ferguson wrote:
let's send over a few troops to kick some Islamofacist ass!
When you're right, you're right. We should indeed. In fact, it would probably have been a great idea to have attacked Somalia first. We could have armed and trained the indiginous population there, and used them to invade Afganistan and Iraq. I'm sure they would have loved a little tit-for-tat. "You get that which you tolerate"
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
Israel does exist.
Yes. So should Palestine. Both have the same right to exist.
It is easier to make war than to make peace. Fold with us! ¤ flickr
And both could exist if it were not for the single minded Islamic will to destroy Israel. "You get that which you tolerate"
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Screw the debt, it's the only functional country in the region. Ryan
"Michael Moore and Mel Gibson are the same person, except for a few sit-ups. Moore thought his cheesy political blooper reel was going to tell people how to vote. Mel thought that his little gay SM movie about his imaginary friend was going to help him get to heaven." - Penn Jillette
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
like fighting to survive?
Israel is fighting to survive, but so are the Palestinians. Sending helicopter gunships to blow people up is effectively the same as sending young people wearing explosives. Neither is in the right. The Roadmap to Peace was a fantastic idea because it was balanced. I'm surprised and impressed that the US government thought of it and (in my opinion) it's the fault of the people in the Middle East that it didn't work.
Mike Gaskey wrote:
never happen - the world owes them a debt, thanks to Hitler.
You'd think that after their whole culture was persucuted by the Nazis that the Jews would be more understanding, but it seems that they are doing the same thing Hitler did. That's hypocrisy and using guilt over the Holocaust does not excuse it.
I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours. ~Stephen Roberts
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Daniel R Ferguson wrote:
they are doing the same thing Hitler did
No, they aren't. "You get that which you tolerate"
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Egypt is doing pretty well. Its got a good car economy business you know. Tronché pas ma miche!
There's some pretty serious political repression in Egypt, applied to both democrats and Islamists who don't toe the line. But yeah, it's no Syria or Iran. http://www.sandmonkey.org/[^] makes good reading. Ryan
"Michael Moore and Mel Gibson are the same person, except for a few sit-ups. Moore thought his cheesy political blooper reel was going to tell people how to vote. Mel thought that his little gay SM movie about his imaginary friend was going to help him get to heaven." - Penn Jillette
-- modified at 7:37 Thursday 6th July, 2006
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There's some pretty serious political repression in Egypt, applied to both democrats and Islamists who don't toe the line. But yeah, it's no Syria or Iran. http://www.sandmonkey.org/[^] makes good reading. Ryan
"Michael Moore and Mel Gibson are the same person, except for a few sit-ups. Moore thought his cheesy political blooper reel was going to tell people how to vote. Mel thought that his little gay SM movie about his imaginary friend was going to help him get to heaven." - Penn Jillette
-- modified at 7:37 Thursday 6th July, 2006
Well, its their country, and if they outlaw homosexuality, it is their choice. The UK outlaws paedophilia, New Guinnea doesnt. Does that make the UK less funcitonal? I take funcitonal to mean self sufficient in terms of wealth production (which Palestine isnt. It is totally dependent on US and EU aid). Trade with neighbours and stability of government (somewhat goes with the first 2 points). Tronché pas ma miche!
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Well, its their country, and if they outlaw homosexuality, it is their choice. The UK outlaws paedophilia, New Guinnea doesnt. Does that make the UK less funcitonal? I take funcitonal to mean self sufficient in terms of wealth production (which Palestine isnt. It is totally dependent on US and EU aid). Trade with neighbours and stability of government (somewhat goes with the first 2 points). Tronché pas ma miche!
Ah, substitute 'functional' for 'liberal democratic' and we will probably agree. Ryan
"Michael Moore and Mel Gibson are the same person, except for a few sit-ups. Moore thought his cheesy political blooper reel was going to tell people how to vote. Mel thought that his little gay SM movie about his imaginary friend was going to help him get to heaven." - Penn Jillette
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
never happen - the world owes them a debt, thanks to Hitler.
and there's me thinking that they got repaid with a country...
Paddy Boyd wrote:
and there's me thinking that they got repaid with a country...
and they're damned well gonna keep it. Mike Dear NYT - the fact is, the founding fathers hung traitors.
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
like fighting to survive?
Israel is fighting to survive, but so are the Palestinians. Sending helicopter gunships to blow people up is effectively the same as sending young people wearing explosives. Neither is in the right. The Roadmap to Peace was a fantastic idea because it was balanced. I'm surprised and impressed that the US government thought of it and (in my opinion) it's the fault of the people in the Middle East that it didn't work.
Mike Gaskey wrote:
never happen - the world owes them a debt, thanks to Hitler.
You'd think that after their whole culture was persucuted by the Nazis that the Jews would be more understanding, but it seems that they are doing the same thing Hitler did. That's hypocrisy and using guilt over the Holocaust does not excuse it.
I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours. ~Stephen Roberts
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Daniel R Ferguson wrote:
they are doing the same thing Hitler did
There are certainly some hard line Jews who would like every Arab removed form Palestine. But I dont think the will go about it with Zyklon B. Of course, the fact that Mein Kampf is one of the most popular books in Palestine isnt helping the situation. Tronché pas ma miche! -- modified at 8:38 Thursday 6th July, 2006
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Daniel R Ferguson wrote:
it seems like Iraq was only "freed" because of oil money.
No, the sad part is that is people believe that merely because that want to believe it. Frankly, I wish we had done it for oil. "You get that which you tolerate" -- modified at 7:29 Thursday 6th July, 2006
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K(arl) wrote:
but sometimes things are not either black or white but in a shade of grey.
And sometimes they are clearly black and white - such as a picture of a six year old throwing something at a tank. Six year olds don't do stuff like that on their own. It was staged, at the risk of the child's life and you posted it to promote your world view. That tells me everything I need to know about the morality of your politics. "You get that which you tolerate"
Stan Shannon wrote:
Six year olds don't do stuff like that on their own
Why cant a six year old throw things at a tank????? You have no idea of the history of the girl - if all shes learnt is to link a big bad tank with personal loss and/or destruction then i could COMPLETELY see why a child would choose to perform such a fruitless act. Have you never seen a small child get so frustrated with something they cant change that they choose to just hit out in a typically small way? i know i have
Stan Shannon wrote:
It was staged, at the risk of the child's life and you posted it to promote your world view. That tells me everything I need to know about the morality of your politics.
I really dont see how you can say it was or it wasnt! Therefore it tells me alot about ur kind of politics - i bet if it was a little american christian girl throwing a can of pepsi at a T60 iraqi tank (if they had any left) as it drove thru her home town you wouldnt have as much as a problem... hell! you'd probably champion it!
Stan Shannon wrote:
"You get that which you tolerate"
Then i doubt you have very much at all... Ian "You always get more than you bargained for"
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Stan Shannon wrote:
I wish we had done it for oil
Be happy then, because you did. (Or at least the petro-dollar) Tronché pas ma miche!
fat_boy wrote:
Be happy then, because you did. (Or at least the petro-dollar)
No, we did it because every asshole that becomes US President has an FDR complex. "You get that which you tolerate"
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Six year olds don't do stuff like that on their own
Why cant a six year old throw things at a tank????? You have no idea of the history of the girl - if all shes learnt is to link a big bad tank with personal loss and/or destruction then i could COMPLETELY see why a child would choose to perform such a fruitless act. Have you never seen a small child get so frustrated with something they cant change that they choose to just hit out in a typically small way? i know i have
Stan Shannon wrote:
It was staged, at the risk of the child's life and you posted it to promote your world view. That tells me everything I need to know about the morality of your politics.
I really dont see how you can say it was or it wasnt! Therefore it tells me alot about ur kind of politics - i bet if it was a little american christian girl throwing a can of pepsi at a T60 iraqi tank (if they had any left) as it drove thru her home town you wouldnt have as much as a problem... hell! you'd probably champion it!
Stan Shannon wrote:
"You get that which you tolerate"
Then i doubt you have very much at all... Ian "You always get more than you bargained for"
Ian Harrigan wrote:
Have you never seen a small child get so frustrated with something they cant change that they choose to just hit out in a typically small way?
:laugh: That is just about the most stupid thing I've ever heard. Yeah sure, out of frustration with her oppression the small, but brave, Palistinian child singlehandidly charges the big mean Israel tank with her little toy. There could be no way that some adult (the same adult who in a few years will be bravely strapping C4 onto the same child) said "Here, take this and throw it at the tank so that I can take your picture..." The fact that you fall for this kind of idiotic propaganda says much about why Europeans believe as they do and are so incredibly icompetent politically.
Ian Harrigan wrote:
really dont see how you can say it was or it wasnt! Therefore it tells me alot about ur kind of politics - i bet if it was a little american christian girl throwing a can of pepsi at a T60 iraqi tank (if they had any left) as it drove thru her home town you wouldnt have as much as a problem... hell! you'd probably champion it!
If I saw any child exposing themselves to that kind of danger I sure as hell would not be taking a picture of it. I would be trying to do something to get them out of the way of danger. That child will end up dead someday in order to further this vile propaganda. The blood will be on your hands.
Ian Harrigan wrote:
Then i doubt you have very much at all...
I have what I need. A brain, for example. "You get that which you tolerate"
