CP to rally behind MS?
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You know what we should do? We should start a campaign here at codeproject to help Microsoft in its antitrust fight by writing letters to our elected officals telling them to back off. Maybe Chris could get in touch with MS, and they could tell us who to contact and provide us with strategies and insight. I believe in fair competion and I think what Oracle and Sun are doing is just wrong. Also, Chris could set up a forum here where we could discuss ways to prevent Oracle and Sun from harming our livelyhoods. Remember they are attacking us, as well as Microsoft with their sneaky tactics. MS has the most developers. What happens to the economy when we loose our jobs thanks to the states? We need to be more vocal in our support of Microsoft.
Martin Marvinski wrote: You know what we should do? We should start a campaign here at codeproject to help Microsoft in its antitrust fight by writing letters to our elected officals telling them to back off. Yeah, that'll work. We'll, um, write letters. Martin Marvinski wrote: Maybe Chris could get in touch with MS, and they could tell us who to contact and provide us with strategies and insight. I believe in fair competion and I think what Oracle and Sun are doing is just wrong. Read that again. You obviously know nothing of Microsoft's history. What comes around, goes around. Martin Marvinski wrote: Also, Chris could set up a forum here where we could discuss ways to prevent Oracle and Sun from harming our livelyhoods. I know, let's kill Scott McNealy and Larry Ellison. Larry is in my sights already, because the tools that come with Oracle are so very, very bad. Sitting around talking is probably the most constructive thing we can do, it will at least create the illusion we can do something to affect what Sun or Oracle are doing. Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm somewhat suspicious of STL though. My (test,experimental) program worked first time. Whats that all about??!?! - Jon Hulatt, 22/3/2002
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Tim Smith wrote: MS/Linux/FreeBSD true. but put Mac into that mix and the answer's not so easy. i've wanted a mac for a long time, but i have too much invested in MS apps to make the switch. -c
A man usually falls in love with a woman who asks the kinds of questions he is able to answer. Ronald Colman Smaller Animals Software, Inc.
It's funny how arguments on ease of use always side step the Mac. I'm with you. I'd LOVE a notebook running OSX, but I have too much invested in M$, and I doubt I could find work on the Mac, so why invest time and money in it ? The Mac comes with a C++ compiler that is more standards compliant than VC6. Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm somewhat suspicious of STL though. My (test,experimental) program worked first time. Whats that all about??!?! - Jon Hulatt, 22/3/2002
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Ok. Why don't those OEMs just install OS/2? Becauase Windows is better!!!!! They can just say screw you MS. I'm sure IBM will be happy to license OS/2 to them. They don't want too because OS/2 is crap that no one wants. The OEMs are using the government to get windows more cheaply. They are trying to steal from MS. They already get a steep discount, but they are still not satisfied!! MS has a right to give the more helpful OEMs a better deal because they do more for MS!! kevnar wrote: Monopolies are bad news no matter what field you're talking about Not true. Natural Monopolies are allowed by law. MS is a natural monopoly IMHO. Its just that lousy SUN and Oracle decided to bribe government to hurt MS, but SUN and Oracle don't even make products for consumers!!! Of course MS has a monopoly if no one else makes a consumer OS!!. kevnar wrote: Eventually if computers start running more and more of our lives for us, and Microsoft is running more and more computers, what happens then SUN is the villan here. It is trying to get the national ID cards going, so is Oracle. They want to run the software that monitors you and your children. MS just wants to sell consumer software.
Martin Marvinski wrote: Ok. Why don't those OEMs just install OS/2? Actually a number of local OEMs are starting to install Linux. Generally OEM's install Windows because their customers expect to see it. It has been marketed to them, and it allows them to do what they want - run Office and play games. Martin Marvinski wrote: They don't want too because OS/2 is crap that no one wants. OS/2 beat the *hell* out of Windows when it was alive. It needs to be compared to it's contemparies - Win 3.x and Windows 95. On that basis, it is a clear winner. So was beta, the winner is not always the best product. Martin Marvinski wrote: The OEMs are using the government to get windows more cheaply. They are trying to steal from MS. the OEM's who steal from M$ buy one copy and distribute it over and over. That is probably a major reason for product activation. Martin Marvinski wrote: Of course MS has a monopoly if no one else makes a consumer OS!!. You must be stupid - read the top of your post, where you recognise that others have done so. You've mentioned OS/2, it's not the only alternative. Martin Marvinski wrote: SUN is the villan here. It is trying to get the national ID cards going, so is Oracle. They want to run the software that monitors you and your children. MS just wants to sell consumer software. rotfl !!!! In the US you guys are so hung up on the illusion of freedom that you think it is protected by you having guns in the house and being able to kill each other ( but not have enough firepower to do anything to the government ). You think anyone could get away with introducing a computerised ID card ? The Bible Belt will scream 666, go into their bunkers and start drinking Draino, or however these cult types like to kill themselves nowadays. Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm somewhat suspicious of STL though. My (test,experimental) program worked first time. Whats that all about??!?! - Jon Hulatt, 22/3/2002
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Who do you work for? Sun, IBM, or Oracle. Why don't you start an OEM online and sell PCs with OS/2. You'll see how many orders you get. Just register a domain name, Install linux and PostgreSQL and buy the parts as the orders come in(If you even get any:-D ). Just leave me and MS alone. I won't butt into your buisness, and you just stay out of MS's. Remember its you UNIX guys who are starting this antitrust Sh*t.
Martin Marvinski wrote: Just leave me and MS alone Why should M$ be left alone ? Why should they not be publically accountable ? Martin Marvinski wrote: Remember its you UNIX guys who are starting this antitrust Sh*t. Whatever do you mean ? As I've said, Linux installed PC's are for sale in the backwater where I live. People are buying them as a cheap web box, because they don't need office or games. I happen to think that Solaris is a nice OS, although not as slick as XP, for example, the truth is I am sick of XP, and I am sick of having my hand held, it actually makes it harder to do stuff. Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm somewhat suspicious of STL though. My (test,experimental) program worked first time. Whats that all about??!?! - Jon Hulatt, 22/3/2002
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Martin Marvinski wrote: I don't belive this. Any eight year old can figure Windows out. You turn it on, and then point and click. I'm sure tracking an animal and killing it with a spear is instinctive to Kalihari Bushmen as well. you're presuming what seems simple to you is simple. Yes, a child can pick up point and click, *if* someone is there to explain it. Double clicking, dragging an outline, etc. is a bit harder. I have a 6 year old, so I can speak from experience. Martin Marvinski wrote: MS did that with "BOB". No one bought it because it insulted their intelligence. No-one bought it because it was crap and ran like a dog. If it was because it insulted their intelligence, no-one would have bought OFfice since the BOB code got turned into Office Assistant. Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm somewhat suspicious of STL though. My (test,experimental) program worked first time. Whats that all about??!?! - Jon Hulatt, 22/3/2002
Christian Graus wrote: I have a 6 year old, so I can speak from experience Your child is too young still. When he/she reaches the age of eight he/she will probably be programming .NET, let alone using the PC.
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Christian Graus wrote: I have a 6 year old, so I can speak from experience Your child is too young still. When he/she reaches the age of eight he/she will probably be programming .NET, let alone using the PC.
She's been at it since she was three, and she does pretty well. But double clicking and dragging a focus rect are both still lost on her. Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm somewhat suspicious of STL though. My (test,experimental) program worked first time. Whats that all about??!?! - Jon Hulatt, 22/3/2002
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Martin Marvinski wrote: You know what we should do? We should start a campaign here at codeproject to help Microsoft in its antitrust fight by writing letters to our elected officals telling them to back off. Yeah, that'll work. We'll, um, write letters. Martin Marvinski wrote: Maybe Chris could get in touch with MS, and they could tell us who to contact and provide us with strategies and insight. I believe in fair competion and I think what Oracle and Sun are doing is just wrong. Read that again. You obviously know nothing of Microsoft's history. What comes around, goes around. Martin Marvinski wrote: Also, Chris could set up a forum here where we could discuss ways to prevent Oracle and Sun from harming our livelyhoods. I know, let's kill Scott McNealy and Larry Ellison. Larry is in my sights already, because the tools that come with Oracle are so very, very bad. Sitting around talking is probably the most constructive thing we can do, it will at least create the illusion we can do something to affect what Sun or Oracle are doing. Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm somewhat suspicious of STL though. My (test,experimental) program worked first time. Whats that all about??!?! - Jon Hulatt, 22/3/2002
Christian Graus wrote: Yeah, that'll work. We'll, um, write letters It may not work in your backward country, but it does in the good old US of A. If you didn't know, we have more freedom and rights than anyone else in the world. Christian Graus wrote: I know, let's kill Scott McNealy and Larry Ellison. Larry is in my sights already, because the tools that come with Oracle are so very, very bad. Once again, thats not how it works in the US. Unlike Aussies, who were sent there by England as prisoners, we enjoy the rule of law here in the States. Thats why the US is #1.
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Who do you work for? Sun, IBM, or Oracle. Why don't you start an OEM online and sell PCs with OS/2. You'll see how many orders you get. Just register a domain name, Install linux and PostgreSQL and buy the parts as the orders come in(If you even get any:-D ). Just leave me and MS alone. I won't butt into your buisness, and you just stay out of MS's. Remember its you UNIX guys who are starting this antitrust Sh*t.
Are you for real?! Who do you work for? Sun, IBM, or Oracle. None of the above. I work for the ones that pay me without going for world domination (in this respect Microsoft is like the Nazis). Ain't I'm a lucky bastard to choose who I work for. Who do you work for? Microsoft? (don't bother responding, it's obvious you do). Why don't you start an OEM online and sell PCs with OS/2. Shouldn't there be a question sign after that first sentence? If that was the intention, the answer would obviously be; Because I'd get no orders. Just leave me and MS alone. Ahh, I didn't realize you had an intimate affair with MS. Sure, I'll leave you alone if you leave the rest of the world alone! won't butt into your buisness, and you just stay out of MS's. Remember its you UNIX guys who are starting this antitrust Sh*t. Let me (try to) put your mind straight here. First, your "butt" in conjunction with Microsoft is probably more than we need to know (however correct it might be). Secondly, remember that what you call "this antitrust shit" is brought upon Microsoft by both the DoJ and several states of America. I might also remind you (even that I'm obviously throwing perls before the swines here) what type of operating systems were first. You won't see any MS stuff anywhere near anything really mission critical, and that's for a good reason! You with your ass (sorry, "butt") up in the face of MS probably can't spot the difference, but fortunately there are still people that know the difference between "trustworthy computing" and security and safety. This "antitrust Sh*t" is not started by "you UNIX guys", it's started by the DoJ when they realized how horrible Microsoft abused the US law(s)! /Mike
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Christian Graus wrote: Yeah, that'll work. We'll, um, write letters It may not work in your backward country, but it does in the good old US of A. If you didn't know, we have more freedom and rights than anyone else in the world. Christian Graus wrote: I know, let's kill Scott McNealy and Larry Ellison. Larry is in my sights already, because the tools that come with Oracle are so very, very bad. Once again, thats not how it works in the US. Unlike Aussies, who were sent there by England as prisoners, we enjoy the rule of law here in the States. Thats why the US is #1.
Martin Marvinski wrote: It may not work in your backward country, but it does in the good old US of A. If you didn't know, we have more freedom and rights than anyone else in the world. Like I said, the easiest way to oppress a people is to feed them the illusion of freedom. What freedom do you have that I don't, except the freedom to get shot in a public place ? I have more freedom of speech than you, because I am less likely to be sued for stating my opinion, my government has more checks and measures against abuse of power than yours, all of the prime ministers we've ever had actually got voted in, unlike your current guy, etc. Martin Marvinski wrote: Once again, thats not how it works in the US. Well now, I guess they don't have irony in the USA either. Must have left along with freedom, and common sense, no ? Martin Marvinski wrote: Unlike Aussies, who were sent there by England as prisoners, we enjoy the rule of law here in the States. What a pile of crap. We have enough 'rule of law' here in Australia that we've never declared war on one another. Martin Marvinski wrote: Thats why the US is #1. And arrogant people like you, talking this crap, are the reason so many people hate Americans. Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm somewhat suspicious of STL though. My (test,experimental) program worked first time. Whats that all about??!?! - Jon Hulatt, 22/3/2002
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Christian Graus wrote: Yeah, that'll work. We'll, um, write letters It may not work in your backward country, but it does in the good old US of A. If you didn't know, we have more freedom and rights than anyone else in the world. Christian Graus wrote: I know, let's kill Scott McNealy and Larry Ellison. Larry is in my sights already, because the tools that come with Oracle are so very, very bad. Once again, thats not how it works in the US. Unlike Aussies, who were sent there by England as prisoners, we enjoy the rule of law here in the States. Thats why the US is #1.
Martin, are you for real or is it just that you actually believe in the crap you write (programmed from childhood?)? If you didn't know, we have more freedom and rights than anyone else in the world. You really believe that? You think it's a right to carry arms to kill your next, but it's not OK to be given the right to fix bug in software that you have have paied for that doesn't work to the spec. (i.e. is buggy)? You think it's freedom to be able to endorse large companies (that by their very existance is to limit your freedom of choice), even when those companies are violationg US laws, international treaties, and basically behaving like bullies? You think you are some kind of "übermenchen"? I can only feel sorry for you since you apparently haven't got a clue... /Mike
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Solaris is Unix. Unix has a steep learning curve. You can't expect your grandma or the English teacher to even comprehend it. Remember everyone of you are computer experts, while the majority of people only know how to turn it on.
I used Solaris on Sun Netra mechines and there is nothing you have to learn. The same point and click interface. Double-click on the CD-ROM icon, the CD mounts and displays exactly as a Windows machine would. What makes Unix have a steep learning curve? What are the situations where the steep learning curve comes into play? All we do in Windows, whenever something goes wrong very bad, is re-install. Works for any OS or program. I upgraded Solaris on the same machine later and it was the smoothest OS installation I have ever done (has to do with the fact that OS and the machine are made by the same company - no incompatibilities) To use the internet, I used Netscape. The ethernet interfaces were pre-configured (drivers installed) and all that had to be done was to plug it in and provide an IP address. I am certain that it supports DHCP too. But, Sun was never a desktop machine. This is an entry level server and was amazingly user-friendly. If someone tells me that they can figure out Windows, Solaris or Mac faster than the other - if they had seen none of them befire -- it is just crap. Linux was difficult to use - because 1. It was not commercialized and people whom it targetted were power users and programmers 2. Until recently, no emphasis was given to GUI and it had only a very bad X implementation. 3. And when they started on making better UIs, there was duplication of effort with KDE and GNOME. But, I maintain that Solaris is as usable as any version of Windows -- atleast for me. But, it is not targetted at a home user. Recently, I saw a Sun server machine with 1 GB of RAM and 2 40 GB drives for 2200 dollars with Solaris. If my servers ran on Solaris, I would certainly buy them in favour of PC servers. Even the price factor does not hold. SCO Unix was also very user friendly - easy to install and do nothing to maintain. I believe that there is a mental block against Unix, which I also had for some time. I must admit that it was 'not my opinion', but an acquired opinion from others (without really seeing what it is). Thomas
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Ok. Why don't those OEMs just install OS/2? Becauase Windows is better!!!!! They can just say screw you MS. I'm sure IBM will be happy to license OS/2 to them. They don't want too because OS/2 is crap that no one wants. The OEMs are using the government to get windows more cheaply. They are trying to steal from MS. They already get a steep discount, but they are still not satisfied!! MS has a right to give the more helpful OEMs a better deal because they do more for MS!! kevnar wrote: Monopolies are bad news no matter what field you're talking about Not true. Natural Monopolies are allowed by law. MS is a natural monopoly IMHO. Its just that lousy SUN and Oracle decided to bribe government to hurt MS, but SUN and Oracle don't even make products for consumers!!! Of course MS has a monopoly if no one else makes a consumer OS!!. kevnar wrote: Eventually if computers start running more and more of our lives for us, and Microsoft is running more and more computers, what happens then SUN is the villan here. It is trying to get the national ID cards going, so is Oracle. They want to run the software that monitors you and your children. MS just wants to sell consumer software.
What Sun and Oracle does does not make Microsoft right! But, watchout for IBM with its Open Source initiatives. They are going for the data center. With more applications becoming ASP (Application Service Providers), the data center is a very important section and IBM is promoting Java, SOAP on Java/Linux etc. Recently, IBM CEO said that it will not make a fourth mistake, the first three being 1. Allowing MS to take control of DOS 2. Allowing others to clone PC 3. Not focusing on the usability of OS/2 (though I hope they will work on the usability of Notes :) ) Thomas
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Martin Marvinski wrote: It may not work in your backward country, but it does in the good old US of A. If you didn't know, we have more freedom and rights than anyone else in the world. Like I said, the easiest way to oppress a people is to feed them the illusion of freedom. What freedom do you have that I don't, except the freedom to get shot in a public place ? I have more freedom of speech than you, because I am less likely to be sued for stating my opinion, my government has more checks and measures against abuse of power than yours, all of the prime ministers we've ever had actually got voted in, unlike your current guy, etc. Martin Marvinski wrote: Once again, thats not how it works in the US. Well now, I guess they don't have irony in the USA either. Must have left along with freedom, and common sense, no ? Martin Marvinski wrote: Unlike Aussies, who were sent there by England as prisoners, we enjoy the rule of law here in the States. What a pile of crap. We have enough 'rule of law' here in Australia that we've never declared war on one another. Martin Marvinski wrote: Thats why the US is #1. And arrogant people like you, talking this crap, are the reason so many people hate Americans. Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm somewhat suspicious of STL though. My (test,experimental) program worked first time. Whats that all about??!?! - Jon Hulatt, 22/3/2002
Christian Graus wrote: What freedom do you have that I don't The right of Free Speech, the freedom of religion, the right to bear arms, the right not to quater soldiers, the right not to have unreasonable search and seizures, the right to be tried only once for a crime, the right to a speedy trial, and ect... Christian Graus wrote: We have enough 'rule of law' here in Australia that we've never declared war on one another. You don't have enough people to declare war on one another. Didn't England have to send orphans to your country to give it more citizens? Christian Graus wrote: And arrogant people like you, talking this crap, are the reason so many people hate Americans. There are several reasons why people hate Americans. 1. They are jealous of our might 2. They are jealous of our intellect 3. they are jealous of our economy 4. They are jealous of our educational system 5. They are jealous of our freedoms 6. They are jealous of all our things(every person has at least 2 cars, most own homes, ect. 7. They are brainwashed by their leaders. 8. They are jealous of our inovations( we invented the airplane, tv, radio, computer, we sent men to the moon) The list just goes on, and on. We gave you Microsoft, otherwise you may just be tending sheep or cattle in good ol Australia.(It is a nice place to visit on vacation though!) But not for anything else... BTW if I sound mean, I'm sorry, but don't put down the USA because it did so much for the world. We saved the world from recessions, hilter, our economic aid feeds millions..ect.
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Christian Graus wrote: What freedom do you have that I don't The right of Free Speech, the freedom of religion, the right to bear arms, the right not to quater soldiers, the right not to have unreasonable search and seizures, the right to be tried only once for a crime, the right to a speedy trial, and ect... Christian Graus wrote: We have enough 'rule of law' here in Australia that we've never declared war on one another. You don't have enough people to declare war on one another. Didn't England have to send orphans to your country to give it more citizens? Christian Graus wrote: And arrogant people like you, talking this crap, are the reason so many people hate Americans. There are several reasons why people hate Americans. 1. They are jealous of our might 2. They are jealous of our intellect 3. they are jealous of our economy 4. They are jealous of our educational system 5. They are jealous of our freedoms 6. They are jealous of all our things(every person has at least 2 cars, most own homes, ect. 7. They are brainwashed by their leaders. 8. They are jealous of our inovations( we invented the airplane, tv, radio, computer, we sent men to the moon) The list just goes on, and on. We gave you Microsoft, otherwise you may just be tending sheep or cattle in good ol Australia.(It is a nice place to visit on vacation though!) But not for anything else... BTW if I sound mean, I'm sorry, but don't put down the USA because it did so much for the world. We saved the world from recessions, hilter, our economic aid feeds millions..ect.
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Christian Graus wrote: Yeah, that'll work. We'll, um, write letters It may not work in your backward country, but it does in the good old US of A. If you didn't know, we have more freedom and rights than anyone else in the world. Christian Graus wrote: I know, let's kill Scott McNealy and Larry Ellison. Larry is in my sights already, because the tools that come with Oracle are so very, very bad. Once again, thats not how it works in the US. Unlike Aussies, who were sent there by England as prisoners, we enjoy the rule of law here in the States. Thats why the US is #1.
Unlike Aussies, who were sent there by England as prisoners, we enjoy the rule of law here in the States. This is a very ironic claim coming from you. Microsoft has been convicted of breaking the law and you want them let off. You have the same mentality as those people who want celebrities to be let off criminal charges because they happen to like them. You clearly don't know what the rule of law is. John Carson
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Martin Marvinski wrote: Ok. Why don't those OEMs just install OS/2? Actually a number of local OEMs are starting to install Linux. Generally OEM's install Windows because their customers expect to see it. It has been marketed to them, and it allows them to do what they want - run Office and play games. Martin Marvinski wrote: They don't want too because OS/2 is crap that no one wants. OS/2 beat the *hell* out of Windows when it was alive. It needs to be compared to it's contemparies - Win 3.x and Windows 95. On that basis, it is a clear winner. So was beta, the winner is not always the best product. Martin Marvinski wrote: The OEMs are using the government to get windows more cheaply. They are trying to steal from MS. the OEM's who steal from M$ buy one copy and distribute it over and over. That is probably a major reason for product activation. Martin Marvinski wrote: Of course MS has a monopoly if no one else makes a consumer OS!!. You must be stupid - read the top of your post, where you recognise that others have done so. You've mentioned OS/2, it's not the only alternative. Martin Marvinski wrote: SUN is the villan here. It is trying to get the national ID cards going, so is Oracle. They want to run the software that monitors you and your children. MS just wants to sell consumer software. rotfl !!!! In the US you guys are so hung up on the illusion of freedom that you think it is protected by you having guns in the house and being able to kill each other ( but not have enough firepower to do anything to the government ). You think anyone could get away with introducing a computerised ID card ? The Bible Belt will scream 666, go into their bunkers and start drinking Draino, or however these cult types like to kill themselves nowadays. Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm somewhat suspicious of STL though. My (test,experimental) program worked first time. Whats that all about??!?! - Jon Hulatt, 22/3/2002
Christian Graus wrote: You must be stupid - read the top of your post, where you recognise that others have done so. It makes me feel really bad to pick arguments with poor defenceless Aussies who don't know any better. OS/2 on the same level as MS's windows. If it were it would have succeeded. IBM had all the power, it invented the PC standard, it had all the money and clout in the industry, and if it wanted to it could have done what MS did. But what happened instead was that the best product won in the free market system of America. That of course was Windows, who made sure it was easy to use. Ease of use was the number one priority, even more than reliability back then.
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Unlike Aussies, who were sent there by England as prisoners, we enjoy the rule of law here in the States. This is a very ironic claim coming from you. Microsoft has been convicted of breaking the law and you want them let off. You have the same mentality as those people who want celebrities to be let off criminal charges because they happen to like them. You clearly don't know what the rule of law is. John Carson
Read the previous thread. Oracle and Sun bribed the Government to go after MS. You can start your own company this very day in the US and sell what ever you want. That doesn't mean MS has to give you a discount though.
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Martin Marvinski wrote: When you get a computer with MS Windows, you instinctively know what to do!!! Thats why it succeeded. This is utter crap. Perhaps you and I "instinctively" know what to do, but I've spent many hours pulling my hair out trying to explain/demonstrate a doubleclick. Personally, I think PCs should be for CS grads and nerds like us. (And since I got sick and f*cking tired of MS bullshit, I've moved to a geek platform. I code for Windows to pay the bills - I code for Linux because I'm cool.) And I think it's up to MS and others to come up with a truly "instinctive" machine for the general population. Windows most definitely is NOT for everyone. J
Jamie Hale wrote: Windows most definitely is NOT for everyone True, true. Windows isn't for everybody, it's mostly for dummies. But since 90% of the population are dummies when it comes to computers, Microsoft controls 90% of the market... Isaac Sasson, Lean, mean posting machine! Sonork ID 100.13704
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Christian Graus wrote: What freedom do you have that I don't The right of Free Speech, the freedom of religion, the right to bear arms, the right not to quater soldiers, the right not to have unreasonable search and seizures, the right to be tried only once for a crime, the right to a speedy trial, and ect... Christian Graus wrote: We have enough 'rule of law' here in Australia that we've never declared war on one another. You don't have enough people to declare war on one another. Didn't England have to send orphans to your country to give it more citizens? Christian Graus wrote: And arrogant people like you, talking this crap, are the reason so many people hate Americans. There are several reasons why people hate Americans. 1. They are jealous of our might 2. They are jealous of our intellect 3. they are jealous of our economy 4. They are jealous of our educational system 5. They are jealous of our freedoms 6. They are jealous of all our things(every person has at least 2 cars, most own homes, ect. 7. They are brainwashed by their leaders. 8. They are jealous of our inovations( we invented the airplane, tv, radio, computer, we sent men to the moon) The list just goes on, and on. We gave you Microsoft, otherwise you may just be tending sheep or cattle in good ol Australia.(It is a nice place to visit on vacation though!) But not for anything else... BTW if I sound mean, I'm sorry, but don't put down the USA because it did so much for the world. We saved the world from recessions, hilter, our economic aid feeds millions..ect.
As I said, I have more free speech than you because I am less likely to be sued for exercising it. Martin Marvinski wrote: freedom of religion Actually I believe the US is oppressively pseudo Christian, at least I've been told that was the case in the past. Martin Marvinski wrote: the right to bear arms As I've said, this is not a right, it is a burden. Compare homicide figures between our countries, deaths by firearms, etc. Use a site that quotes facts, not the site that Charlton Heston tells lies from. He has been chastised in writing by our government for lying about the effect of our laws on gun control. Martin Marvinski wrote: the right not to quater soldiers You've got a point there - damn soldiers keep messing up my carpet with their muddy boots, and kicking my cat. Are you *serious * ??? Martin Marvinski wrote: the right not to have unreasonable search and seizures Unreasonable is in the eyes of the beholder, but I have that right too Martin Marvinski wrote: the right to be tried only once for a crime You honestly think only the US has this ? Martin Marvinski wrote: the right to a speedy trial you and I both know this is a right that often does not exist in reality. Martin Marvinski wrote: You don't have enough people to declare war on one another. Really ? Then why has Fiji had civil war ? You're being obtuse to avoid the facts. Martin Marvinski wrote: Didn't England have to send orphans to your country to give it more citizens? They probably did it to get rid of them. Martin Marvinski wrote: 1. They are jealous of our might Or offended by the way you misuse it Martin Marvinski wrote: 2. They are jealous of our intellect Most of it imported. Get a life buddy. You're fooling yourself. The home of soap operas leads the world when it comes to intelligence ? Martin Marvinski wrote: 3. they are jealous of our economy Maybe upset at how you use it to bully other nations Martin Marvinski wrote: 4. They are jealous of our educational system You've GOT to be kidding - you're breeding a nation of morons as we speak. Martin Marvinski wrote: 5. They are jeal
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Martin Marvinski wrote: It may not work in your backward country, but it does in the good old US of A. If you didn't know, we have more freedom and rights than anyone else in the world. Like I said, the easiest way to oppress a people is to feed them the illusion of freedom. What freedom do you have that I don't, except the freedom to get shot in a public place ? I have more freedom of speech than you, because I am less likely to be sued for stating my opinion, my government has more checks and measures against abuse of power than yours, all of the prime ministers we've ever had actually got voted in, unlike your current guy, etc. Martin Marvinski wrote: Once again, thats not how it works in the US. Well now, I guess they don't have irony in the USA either. Must have left along with freedom, and common sense, no ? Martin Marvinski wrote: Unlike Aussies, who were sent there by England as prisoners, we enjoy the rule of law here in the States. What a pile of crap. We have enough 'rule of law' here in Australia that we've never declared war on one another. Martin Marvinski wrote: Thats why the US is #1. And arrogant people like you, talking this crap, are the reason so many people hate Americans. Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm somewhat suspicious of STL though. My (test,experimental) program worked first time. Whats that all about??!?! - Jon Hulatt, 22/3/2002
Christian Graus wrote: And arrogant people like you, talking this crap, are the reason so many people hate Americans. I understand your point, just please bear in mind we aren't all like this. There are always going to be pros and cons anywhere you go. While we do have screwed up laws, we also have freedom. It comes with a price, however. I do love my country and would rather be here than anywhere else. I, as most here, will speak of it with pride. I suppose some of us just don't have the gift of proper wording to ensure we don't come off as jerks. I'm sure Australia is a great place too. I've never been there, although I want to visit (Great Barrier Reef). Martin's low blow on Aussies was just about as formidable of a retaliation he could muster because he knew he had no point. Jeremy L. Falcon "The One Who Said, 'The One Who Said...'" Homepage : Feature Article : Sonork = 100.16311