I hate this world.
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Why did God even create this world in the first place?? If God is so forgiveful and mercyful, why did He send us to Earth to suffer just because Eve and Adam ate an apple from a forbidden tree? Then He send His own son to die on cross for our sin? If our sin is no longer existed, why aren't we in Heaven now? The more I read the bible, the more it doesn't make sense. The more I pray, the more I suffer. Why... :(:doh::sigh: I hate this world.
Here's an analogy. I don't understand you, and I never will. However I have absolute faith in you. That you will always make posts demonstrating your idiocy. Now does the bible make more sense to you? Marc XPressTier
Some people believe what the bible says. Literally. At least [with Wikipedia] you have the chance to correct the wiki -- Jörgen Sigvardsson
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
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Paul Selormey wrote:
Now, brother break it down...which parts does not make sense to you and why?
Every part of it, starting from Genesis. Why did God even create the world in the first place, and have us suffer. The book of Genesis wasn't even written by one person, it is a collection of many stories written by many different authors.
Paul Selormey wrote:
Simply, probably you do not have a relation to the one you are speaking to, or you are simply not yet His child.
I was baptized when I was born, I go to church almost every sunday since I was a little boy, I was educated in Catholic school, I pray every night before I sleep. Still not his child? Then no one will be. Everyone I know who don't go to church or believe in God have a better life than me.
Paul Selormey wrote:
Jesus Christ is LOVE! Please tell somebody.
HAHAHA, yeah right.
If you're trying to understand your Faith and your relationship with God, my advice would be to first read the Gospels and Acts. Once you understand how Jesus approached life and others you'll be far better equipped to make sense of the rest of the Bible than trying to understand it cold. :rose: Anna :rose: Currently working mostly on: Visual Lint :cool: Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.
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Paul Selormey wrote:
Now, brother break it down...which parts does not make sense to you and why?
Every part of it, starting from Genesis. Why did God even create the world in the first place, and have us suffer. The book of Genesis wasn't even written by one person, it is a collection of many stories written by many different authors.
Paul Selormey wrote:
Simply, probably you do not have a relation to the one you are speaking to, or you are simply not yet His child.
I was baptized when I was born, I go to church almost every sunday since I was a little boy, I was educated in Catholic school, I pray every night before I sleep. Still not his child? Then no one will be. Everyone I know who don't go to church or believe in God have a better life than me.
Paul Selormey wrote:
Jesus Christ is LOVE! Please tell somebody.
HAHAHA, yeah right.
The basic premise of Christianity is faith. A simple belief in God, and that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and died for our sins. Simple in theory, difficult in practise.
Link2006 wrote:
Why did God even create the world in the first place, and have us suffer.
Nobody but God alone can answer that. Nobody knows how God thinks or why he does what he does. Most Christians generally accept that he created the earth for his pleasure. And who are we to question that? God is supreme; perfect. What he does is beyond reproach and is always right. God does not intend for us to suffer. He allows us to suffer the consequences of the choices that we make. To do anything else would not be love, and God is Love. He could prevent anything bad from happening to us, but then we would never grow; we would never become more mature, or learn to depend on Him only. He gives us the freedom to make our own decisions simply because He loves us. But having said that, he never allows us to destroy ourselves. Everything that happens to us is something we can cope with, provided we rely on Him for our strength. If we try to do everything by ourselves, we will fail. We have to say "Ok God. This one is yours. I can't do this by myself. I trust you to look after it", and then just get on with life and let Him do what He thinks is best. Trust me, it works. I came perilously close to suicide (less than 30mins) before I realised this, and that was only with the help of an awesome friend. God doesn't want us to suffer, but uses hardship to grow us and make us depend more on Him.
Link2006 wrote:
The book of Genesis wasn't even written by one person, it is a collection of many stories written by many different authors.
Actually, Genesis is a book of history, not stories, and was written by one person - Moses. He wrote the first five books of the Bible - Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Deuteronomy and Numbers.
Link2006 wrote:
I was baptized when I was born
As others have said, this is not based on anything in the Bible. Unless baptism is of your own choice, it is meaningless. You, and only you, can make a decision to believe in Christ - nobody can make that decision for you.
Link2006 wrote:
I go to church almost every sunday since I was a little boy
Unfortunately, that means almost nothing. I know some great Christia
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Why did God even create this world in the first place?? If God is so forgiveful and mercyful, why did He send us to Earth to suffer just because Eve and Adam ate an apple from a forbidden tree? Then He send His own son to die on cross for our sin? If our sin is no longer existed, why aren't we in Heaven now? The more I read the bible, the more it doesn't make sense. The more I pray, the more I suffer. Why... :(:doh::sigh: I hate this world.
Sucker! God doesnt exist you fool. Your life is in your hands. It is up to you to make what you want out of it. So stop whining, get of your arse and do something YOU want to do. Go climb a mountain, go start a business, go sailing, whatever the hell it is, stop thinking and start doing! Tronché pas ma miche!
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Why did God even create this world in the first place?? If God is so forgiveful and mercyful, why did He send us to Earth to suffer just because Eve and Adam ate an apple from a forbidden tree? Then He send His own son to die on cross for our sin? If our sin is no longer existed, why aren't we in Heaven now? The more I read the bible, the more it doesn't make sense. The more I pray, the more I suffer. Why... :(:doh::sigh: I hate this world.
Grow up and learn the world isn't centered around you. The tigress is here :-D
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Why did God even create this world in the first place?? If God is so forgiveful and mercyful, why did He send us to Earth to suffer just because Eve and Adam ate an apple from a forbidden tree? Then He send His own son to die on cross for our sin? If our sin is no longer existed, why aren't we in Heaven now? The more I read the bible, the more it doesn't make sense. The more I pray, the more I suffer. Why... :(:doh::sigh: I hate this world.
Are you posting this from somewhere in Boise?
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is impotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Whence then is evil?” [Epicurus]
Miszou wrote:
Is he able, but not willing?
I disagree. It would be malevolent to override freewill and relegate his actions to puppet mastery. If there is freewill, there will be evil, if there is no freewill then we're all just a bunch of puppets with no value. Can't have it both ways. Someday humans need to jump off this bandwagon and realize that they're responsible for their own behavior. This statement is false.
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Paul Selormey wrote:
God bless you richly
He certainly has. Sometimes I pinch myself, my life is so great.
Paul Selormey wrote:
may you shine accordingly to His promises.
I'm trying, I really am... Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
God bless you richly He certainly has. Sometimes I pinch myself, my life is so great.
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I will love to help, if you will permit me...
Link2006 wrote:
The more I read the bible, the more it doesn't make sense.
Hmmm, just last week, I received a pack of 58 CD-ROM of Audio Bible. Guess what, I will be playing two each day to make listen to the whole Bible every month! Now, brother break it down...which parts does not make sense to you and why?
Link2006 wrote:
The more I pray, the more I suffer. Why...
Simply, probably you do not have a relation to the one you are speaking to, or you are simply not yet His child. Definitely, if you email my grand-father for a new car he will not send it to you. At least for one thing, he does not know you. Best regards, Paul. Jesus Christ is LOVE! Please tell somebody.
Paul Selormey wrote:
or you are simply not yet His child.
This is a birthright. Not something earned.
Paul Selormey wrote:
Definitely, if you email my grand-father for a new car he will not send it to you. At least for one thing, he does not know you.
The theory is omnipotence and knowing it all, so your statement is under false assumptions, and implies a limited deity, which then, wouldn't be all knowing. This guy is just a troll looking to spark controversy with played out tired old themes. Change the tape man. This one is getting old. ------------------------------------- Give a monkey a brain and he'll think he's the center of the universe. ~Fishbone Some people never go crazy. What truly horrible lives they must lead. ~Charles Bukowski This statement is false. ~me
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Only serves to let us appreciate joy. A man said to the universe: "Sir I exist!" "However," replied the Universe, "The fact has not created in me A sense of obligation." -- Stephen Crane
At the root of all suffering is desire. The key to desire is to desire that which you already have. This statement is false.
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Josh Smith wrote:
I think the whole idea behind religion is that you are actually supposed to believe the concepts/tales involved. The belief is what comforts people, not just going through the dogmatic motions associated with the religion.
Yes, I believe in it, it's called Faith. But I think I'm losing faith. :sigh:
Well, expect a bill from the community then for treating us like your therapist. Its free code and tutorials, not free therapy. This statement is false.
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Paul Selormey wrote:
or you are simply not yet His child.
This is a birthright. Not something earned.
Paul Selormey wrote:
Definitely, if you email my grand-father for a new car he will not send it to you. At least for one thing, he does not know you.
The theory is omnipotence and knowing it all, so your statement is under false assumptions, and implies a limited deity, which then, wouldn't be all knowing. This guy is just a troll looking to spark controversy with played out tired old themes. Change the tape man. This one is getting old. ------------------------------------- Give a monkey a brain and he'll think he's the center of the universe. ~Fishbone Some people never go crazy. What truly horrible lives they must lead. ~Charles Bukowski This statement is false. ~me
Chris S Kaiser wrote:
This is a birthright. Not something earned.
Oh! is it very simple. By sin, we sold our birthright. The sin of Adam/Eve separated us from the Love of God. Now, let me use the Bible;
All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.
Romans 6:23 says, sin results in death (spiritual separation from God)
The wages of sin is death.
John 3:16 says
God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that whoever
believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life....and John 1:12 says
As many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become
CHILDREN of God, even to those who believe in His name.Chris S Kaiser wrote:
The theory is omnipotence and knowing it all, so your statement is under false assumptions, and implies a limited deity, which then, wouldn't be all knowing.
Of course, I will not equate my dead grand-father to God. I used that to illustrate a point, knowing that I was not speaking to a child. Best regards, Paul. Jesus Christ is LOVE! Please tell somebody. -- modified at 15:49 Wednesday 19th July, 2006
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Chris S Kaiser wrote:
This is a birthright. Not something earned.
Oh! is it very simple. By sin, we sold our birthright. The sin of Adam/Eve separated us from the Love of God. Now, let me use the Bible;
All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.
Romans 6:23 says, sin results in death (spiritual separation from God)
The wages of sin is death.
John 3:16 says
God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that whoever
believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life....and John 1:12 says
As many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become
CHILDREN of God, even to those who believe in His name.Chris S Kaiser wrote:
The theory is omnipotence and knowing it all, so your statement is under false assumptions, and implies a limited deity, which then, wouldn't be all knowing.
Of course, I will not equate my dead grand-father to God. I used that to illustrate a point, knowing that I was not speaking to a child. Best regards, Paul. Jesus Christ is LOVE! Please tell somebody. -- modified at 15:49 Wednesday 19th July, 2006
Alright, this is skirting the edges and really belongs in the soapbox. I'll answer this last one. You guys are friggin' hilarious. And I say that as an Agnostic Christian, dispite the cognizant dissonance this might generate in you. Jesus' entire message was that we are all sons and daughters of God. That's it. The fatherhood of God coupled with the Brotherhood of Man/Woman. Get it straight. Only one thing is required. Faith. That's it. Also, his was the message of the Kingdom of God. The spiritual kingdom that includes everyone and is here now. That's the Good News. He waited til John the Baptist died before beginning as John was the one preaching the message of repentence. Upon that platform he spread the new message of the Good News. Fatherhood and Brotherhood. He never preached any religion based on his resurrection. That was first Peter, and then Paul. They changed the religion from one of Jesus to one about Jesus. So, no. You can't stop being a child of God, you can only forget. And it is this forgetting that generates the results of "the wages of sin is death" as Sin is the knowing attitude against God. So you drive yourself away. Most of those quotes are from the old testament and a result of the Jewish attitude during captivity in Babylon. That's it. Further rants of this nature belong in the SoapBox, and you are not obligated to believe a word I said. This statement is false.
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Alright, this is skirting the edges and really belongs in the soapbox. I'll answer this last one. You guys are friggin' hilarious. And I say that as an Agnostic Christian, dispite the cognizant dissonance this might generate in you. Jesus' entire message was that we are all sons and daughters of God. That's it. The fatherhood of God coupled with the Brotherhood of Man/Woman. Get it straight. Only one thing is required. Faith. That's it. Also, his was the message of the Kingdom of God. The spiritual kingdom that includes everyone and is here now. That's the Good News. He waited til John the Baptist died before beginning as John was the one preaching the message of repentence. Upon that platform he spread the new message of the Good News. Fatherhood and Brotherhood. He never preached any religion based on his resurrection. That was first Peter, and then Paul. They changed the religion from one of Jesus to one about Jesus. So, no. You can't stop being a child of God, you can only forget. And it is this forgetting that generates the results of "the wages of sin is death" as Sin is the knowing attitude against God. So you drive yourself away. Most of those quotes are from the old testament and a result of the Jewish attitude during captivity in Babylon. That's it. Further rants of this nature belong in the SoapBox, and you are not obligated to believe a word I said. This statement is false.
Chris S Kaiser wrote:
And I say that as an Agnostic Christian
...and there are many out there trying hard to build a room that will fit there. Some even rewrote the Bible to their own taste. I will make it short, Peter was assigned a job and he did it, so was Paul. They did not come on their own and claimed to have PhD in religion. Christianity itself is not a religion, it is about Jesus Christ the Son of God. Please make specific quotes from the Bible, or whichever book is your source of the religious theory. Best regards, Paul. Jesus Christ is LOVE! Please tell somebody.
