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You are displaying all the symptoms of someone who is jealous. I would feel bad if I lived in anouther country, so I can't critisize you too harshly. You have to take the defensive position because it would crush you emotionally if you accepted your lot in life, and that you aren't a part of the world's greatest superpower. There is a study that suggests that the middle easterners are jealous of our success, and our participation in the world makes them feel that we are rubbing it in their faces. That is why they hate us. Christian Graus wrote: Most of it imported. Get a life buddy. You're fooling yourself. The home of soap operas leads the world when it comes to intelligence ? Then how come no other country can rival us? If there was so much talent elsewhere, wouldn't someone eventually come up and beat us in our High tech endeavours. We are light years ahead in Computer Science. Our military technology is generations ahead of the Europeans. I would feel bad if I lived in a second world country too. Why don't you apply for a Visa or Greencard and try to come over here? Or else improve your country. Just don't become green with envy. BTW Microsoft, IBM and SUN are all our companies. I take offense at your critisizing how we do buisness. What has Australia done in the computing world? Where is the Australian equivilant of MS? Or IBM?
Martin Marvinski wrote: I would feel bad if I lived in anouther country, so I can't critisize you too harshly. The fact that Australia is made up of different races does not mean that thinking that America is the only place worth living is racist. Even if you remove that tag because of it's emotional value, it's still pig ignorant, that's for sure Martin Marvinski wrote: There is a study that suggests that the middle easterners are jealous of our success, and our participation in the world makes them feel that we are rubbing it in their faces. That is why they hate us. A study can prove whatever you want it to. Martin Marvinski wrote: Then how come no other country can rival us? I don't know how to argue points like this ( which are untrue ) without appearing as ignorant as you and risking offending my many American friends here, none of whom are as ignorant as you are. You'll note your countrymen are not rallying to your defence. What does that tell you ? Let's leave it at that - you're a narrow minded bigot and I'd rather we did not speak about this again. Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm somewhat suspicious of STL though. My (test,experimental) program worked first time. Whats that all about??!?! - Jon Hulatt, 22/3/2002
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I used Solaris on Sun Netra mechines and there is nothing you have to learn. The same point and click interface. Double-click on the CD-ROM icon, the CD mounts and displays exactly as a Windows machine would. What makes Unix have a steep learning curve? What are the situations where the steep learning curve comes into play? All we do in Windows, whenever something goes wrong very bad, is re-install. Works for any OS or program. I upgraded Solaris on the same machine later and it was the smoothest OS installation I have ever done (has to do with the fact that OS and the machine are made by the same company - no incompatibilities) To use the internet, I used Netscape. The ethernet interfaces were pre-configured (drivers installed) and all that had to be done was to plug it in and provide an IP address. I am certain that it supports DHCP too. But, Sun was never a desktop machine. This is an entry level server and was amazingly user-friendly. If someone tells me that they can figure out Windows, Solaris or Mac faster than the other - if they had seen none of them befire -- it is just crap. Linux was difficult to use - because 1. It was not commercialized and people whom it targetted were power users and programmers 2. Until recently, no emphasis was given to GUI and it had only a very bad X implementation. 3. And when they started on making better UIs, there was duplication of effort with KDE and GNOME. But, I maintain that Solaris is as usable as any version of Windows -- atleast for me. But, it is not targetted at a home user. Recently, I saw a Sun server machine with 1 GB of RAM and 2 40 GB drives for 2200 dollars with Solaris. If my servers ran on Solaris, I would certainly buy them in favour of PC servers. Even the price factor does not hold. SCO Unix was also very user friendly - easy to install and do nothing to maintain. I believe that there is a mental block against Unix, which I also had for some time. I must admit that it was 'not my opinion', but an acquired opinion from others (without really seeing what it is). Thomas
I have to disagree with you. Unix and Linux are mainly industrial strenght tools for professionals. I use Linux internally, and most things are done best with a command prompt. *nix was designed to enterprise level performance and stability and therefore has the easy of use trade off. Thomas George wrote: What makes Unix have a steep learning curve? 1.The file system. Imagine someone confronted with that. They would have to go to pathname.com to figure it out. 2. Most things are still installed and configured with .conf files, and you have to compile the programs yourself sometimes! The list goes on and on. Believe me, I'm not against Unix, but it has no place on the desktop of the average user.
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Read the previous thread. I have. It has no bearing on the point that I made. Oracle and Sun bribed the Government to go after MS. You have evidence of this? Or do you just invent "facts" when you feel the need to bolster your arguments. Did they also bribe the various courts? Or was that the work of the occupants of recently landed UFOs? You can start your own company this very day in the US and sell what ever you want. That doesn't mean MS has to give you a discount though. Let's see if I have this right. The fact that people are allowed to start their own company means that Microsoft should be allowed to break the law with impunity? Is that your position? John Carson
John Carson wrote: Let's see if I have this right. The fact that people are allowed to start their own company means that Microsoft should be allowed to break the law with impunity? Is that your position? Fine. You got me. You proved your point, and I folded like a house of cards. I also made an ass of myself, and I'm sorry to all those who I've offended. You are right and I'm wrong. My unilaterism, and evangelism has made me public enemy number one on this site, and for this I'm sorry. I also apologise to all the Australians, especially Christian Graus, whom I've offended, and take back all my negative and hurtful remarks. I also apologise to the British, among them, David Wulff, of whom I made a horrible comment on his moral character. I am also not going to post any longer so I don't bring up bad memories, and am just going to browse. I obviously don't know how to handle myself in public, and therefore not post until I can be decent.
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Jamie Hale wrote: This is utter crap. Perhaps you and I "instinctively" know what to do, but I've spent many hours pulling my hair out trying to explain/demonstrate a doubleclick. I don't belive this. Any eight year old can figure Windows out. You turn it on, and then point and click. Jamie Hale wrote: Personally, I think PCs should be for CS grads and nerds like us Thats the attitude that SUN and Oracle have. Thats why they have to resort to lawsuits. Jamie Hale wrote: I've moved to a geek platform. I code for Windows to pay the bills - I code for Linux because I'm cool.) Don't get me wrong. I use Linux internally for a mail server, web server, and as a LDAP server. But I also use SQL Server. I run a consulting buisness, and many times I put Linux on the client's servers(I bid for most jobs, and if I save on license fees, its more money for me), but I *always* make sure Windows is on the desktop. Jamie Hale wrote: And I think it's up to MS and others to come up with a truly "instinctive" machine for the general population. Windows most definitely is NOT for everyone. MS did that with "BOB". No one bought it because it insulted their intelligence.
Martin Marvinski wrote: Any eight year old can figure Windows out. You turn it on, and then point and click. And immediately be greeted by an utterly meaningless error message! Bull. I've got 60+ educated, adult users who can't figure out how to do anything by themselves on a Windows machine without calling me to do it for them. And they've been using Windows for years. There is absolutely nothing insinctive about it - without a predisposition to technical knowledge, a user is helpless on any machine. Windows just gives one pretty icons to stare at in dazed confusion.
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Jamie Hale wrote: This is utter crap. Perhaps you and I "instinctively" know what to do, but I've spent many hours pulling my hair out trying to explain/demonstrate a doubleclick. I don't belive this. Any eight year old can figure Windows out. You turn it on, and then point and click. Jamie Hale wrote: Personally, I think PCs should be for CS grads and nerds like us Thats the attitude that SUN and Oracle have. Thats why they have to resort to lawsuits. Jamie Hale wrote: I've moved to a geek platform. I code for Windows to pay the bills - I code for Linux because I'm cool.) Don't get me wrong. I use Linux internally for a mail server, web server, and as a LDAP server. But I also use SQL Server. I run a consulting buisness, and many times I put Linux on the client's servers(I bid for most jobs, and if I save on license fees, its more money for me), but I *always* make sure Windows is on the desktop. Jamie Hale wrote: And I think it's up to MS and others to come up with a truly "instinctive" machine for the general population. Windows most definitely is NOT for everyone. MS did that with "BOB". No one bought it because it insulted their intelligence.
Martin Marvinski wrote: I don't belive this. Any eight year old can figure Windows out. You turn it on, and then point and click. Sure, and I know 18-25 year olds in a college course that can't comprehend a double click. Martin Marvinski wrote: Thats the attitude that SUN and Oracle have. Thats why they have to resort to lawsuits. And Microsoft has never used the court system?
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I thought it was Microsoft helping IBM develop OS/2 [http://www.os2bbs.com/os2news/OS2Warp.html\]. Microsoft decided that OS/2 wasn't going to take off and devoted more time to Windows. Kinda like what they did with helping Sega develop the Dreamcast, only to come out with the Xbox later.
IBM practically wrote Windows 3.x. OS/2 used that as it code base, and it will run any Windows 3.1 application. MS used a lot of what was worked on for themselves. It was a joint project, but MS backed out when the opportunity arose for them to claim stake on there own. If you think about it, it's obvious. Windows XP is finally the Windows MS wanted (their words). Remember the 60K+ bugs in Win2K, and that it was released way later than promised? AFAIK MS didn't have anyone else helping them that time. The whole 9x series is just over glorified updates. As far as the Sega issue. Sega was going out of business in the US marketplace. They failed to make any of their SDKs in English. The developers that didn't know Japanese (like me) found it hard to learn it. Therefore, the homemade games were few. MS bought a good chunk of Sega to keep them here. Now they own a piece of yet another company. Can you guess why Sega no longer produces consoles? Simple, MS wants Sega making games for the Microsoft Xbox and not the Sega Dreamcast. They "claimed" it was just Sega going back to what it does best. Jeremy L. Falcon "The One Who Said, 'The One Who Said...'" Homepage : Feature Article : Sonork = 100.16311
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: but that's just it, most consumers didn't know what they wanted because they didn't know squat about computers when they first got theirs. If Linux was on that computer they would have returned it!!! They would have turned it on and stared at a command prompt and or a GUI. They may even type some documents and then hit the power button(of course when they turned it back on they lost all their data becuase they didn't do "shutdown -h now"! Windows succeeded because MS does usability tests. No one else did this back then!! When you get a computer with MS Windows, you instinctively know what to do!!! Thats why it succeeded.
Martin Marvinski wrote: If Linux was on that computer they would have returned it!!! They would have turned it on and stared at a command prompt and or a GUI. The difference between the Windows GUI and the KDE GUI is what? They both work in much the same way. And exactly which Newbie Type Linux programs require a command line? Open/StarOffice? Mozilla? Last time I looked, the RPM files were point and click installs. I will admit that Linux is not quite the everyday desktop tool, but there was a time that the MS operating system used a prompt, it was called MS-DOS. Martin Marvinski wrote: They may even type some documents and then hit the power button(of course when they turned it back on they lost all their data becuase they didn't do "shutdown -h now"! Last time I flicked off the power switch on my Windows box, I lost pretty much the whole works. Usability is using the "Start" button to "Stop" the computer? I have not used "shutdown -h now" in the longest time because the KDE button has a "Shutdown" command. Show me the difference?????? Research your facts before you spread the BS.
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Chris Losinger wrote: they did not. they marketed better than everyone else If the average person couldn't use Windows becuase it was too complicated, then it wouldn't sell no matter how much it was marketed(word of mouth). If the consumer can't figure out how to do basic things they can't use it!!! They shouldn't be expected to have a CS degree to check their email or type a document. BTW Apple's only problem was that they priced their products too high. Linux/Unix is only good for experienced Pros with CS degrees. Windows allows people who need computers but aren't programmers to do their work with a minimal learning curve.
Martin Marvinski wrote: Linux/Unix is only good for experienced Pros with CS degrees. Windows allows people who need computers but aren't programmers to do their work with a minimal learning curve. Where do you come up with this stuff? Have you ever used/installed/looked at a modern Linux distribution? I like MS stuff as much as the next guy, but come on, it is not something to worship. Take two new computers with new disk drives, one copy of Windows XP, and one copy of Mandrake Linux 8.2. Have a new user install the OS on both machines. They both boot from the CD, they both have GUI wizard installs. They both partition and format the drives. They both run almost un-attended. Try Linux with an open mind before you knock it, and give some specifics instances of problems. Until then, your comments are pretty baseless.
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I have to disagree with you. Unix and Linux are mainly industrial strenght tools for professionals. I use Linux internally, and most things are done best with a command prompt. *nix was designed to enterprise level performance and stability and therefore has the easy of use trade off. Thomas George wrote: What makes Unix have a steep learning curve? 1.The file system. Imagine someone confronted with that. They would have to go to pathname.com to figure it out. 2. Most things are still installed and configured with .conf files, and you have to compile the programs yourself sometimes! The list goes on and on. Believe me, I'm not against Unix, but it has no place on the desktop of the average user.
Martin Marvinski wrote: Thomas George wrote: What makes Unix have a steep learning curve? 1.The file system. Imagine someone confronted with that. They would have to go to pathname.com to figure it out. How is the file system different from the Windows file system? I think the drive letters make things more complicated. GUI file managers make this issue go away anyway. Martin Marvinski wrote: 2. Most things are still installed and configured with .conf files, and you have to compile the programs yourself sometimes! RPM, APT? Never heard of these?
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Martin Marvinski wrote: It makes me feel really bad to pick arguments with poor defenceless Aussies who don't know any better. OS/2 on the same level as MS's windows. If it were it would have succeeded. IBM had all the power, it invented the PC standard, it had all the money and clout in the industry, and if it wanted to it could have done what MS did. Wow - you ARE stupid. And racist to boot. beta is better than vhs. The better product does not always win. IBM lost largely because they gave Microsoft the head start, they did not expect the PC to succeed as a product. Martin Marvinski wrote: But what happened instead was that the best product won in the free market system of America. Nope. The most marketed product, and also the one that best tied people into using it. Martin Marvinski wrote: That of course was Windows, who made sure it was easy to use. you haven't even seen OS/2, have you ? Martin Marvinski wrote: Ease of use was the number one priority, even more than reliability back then. The folks at IBM included both for the price of one. It was reliable and also easy to use. Can anyone say 'pre-emtive multitasking', WAY before Windows did it ? I'm at work, so I'll have to leave it there. You are racist, ignorant and stupid. Get some help. Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm somewhat suspicious of STL though. My (test,experimental) program worked first time. Whats that all about??!?! - Jon Hulatt, 22/3/2002
Christian, Please, stop feeding the trolls.:-D
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Read the previous thread. I have. It has no bearing on the point that I made. Oracle and Sun bribed the Government to go after MS. You have evidence of this? Or do you just invent "facts" when you feel the need to bolster your arguments. Did they also bribe the various courts? Or was that the work of the occupants of recently landed UFOs? You can start your own company this very day in the US and sell what ever you want. That doesn't mean MS has to give you a discount though. Let's see if I have this right. The fact that people are allowed to start their own company means that Microsoft should be allowed to break the law with impunity? Is that your position? John Carson
John Carson wrote: Oracle and Sun bribed the Government to go after MS. You have evidence of this? Or do you just invent "facts" when you feel the need to bolster your arguments. Did they also bribe the various courts? Or was that the work of the occupants of recently landed UFOs? ummm, Robert Novak said so??? Cause Microsoft has never contributed to campaigns.:laugh:
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You know what we should do? We should start a campaign here at codeproject to help Microsoft in its antitrust fight by writing letters to our elected officals telling them to back off. Maybe Chris could get in touch with MS, and they could tell us who to contact and provide us with strategies and insight. I believe in fair competion and I think what Oracle and Sun are doing is just wrong. Also, Chris could set up a forum here where we could discuss ways to prevent Oracle and Sun from harming our livelyhoods. Remember they are attacking us, as well as Microsoft with their sneaky tactics. MS has the most developers. What happens to the economy when we loose our jobs thanks to the states? We need to be more vocal in our support of Microsoft.
Subject says it all.
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Christian, Please, stop feeding the trolls.:-D
Shawn Horton wrote: Please, stop feeding the trolls. you'd think I'd learn, but I just can't help myself.... Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm somewhat suspicious of STL though. My (test,experimental) program worked first time. Whats that all about??!?! - Jon Hulatt, 22/3/2002
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Martin Marvinski wrote: Thomas George wrote: What makes Unix have a steep learning curve? 1.The file system. Imagine someone confronted with that. They would have to go to pathname.com to figure it out. How is the file system different from the Windows file system? I think the drive letters make things more complicated. GUI file managers make this issue go away anyway. Martin Marvinski wrote: 2. Most things are still installed and configured with .conf files, and you have to compile the programs yourself sometimes! RPM, APT? Never heard of these?
Even FreeBSD has pkg_add and pkg_delete commands for easy installation and maintenance of software. Jeremy L. Falcon "The One Who Said, 'The One Who Said...'" Homepage : Feature Article : Sonork = 100.16311
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Martin Marvinski wrote: I would feel bad if I lived in anouther country, so I can't critisize you too harshly. The fact that Australia is made up of different races does not mean that thinking that America is the only place worth living is racist. Even if you remove that tag because of it's emotional value, it's still pig ignorant, that's for sure Martin Marvinski wrote: There is a study that suggests that the middle easterners are jealous of our success, and our participation in the world makes them feel that we are rubbing it in their faces. That is why they hate us. A study can prove whatever you want it to. Martin Marvinski wrote: Then how come no other country can rival us? I don't know how to argue points like this ( which are untrue ) without appearing as ignorant as you and risking offending my many American friends here, none of whom are as ignorant as you are. You'll note your countrymen are not rallying to your defence. What does that tell you ? Let's leave it at that - you're a narrow minded bigot and I'd rather we did not speak about this again. Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm somewhat suspicious of STL though. My (test,experimental) program worked first time. Whats that all about??!?! - Jon Hulatt, 22/3/2002
Christian Graus wrote: The fact that Australia is made up of different races does not mean that thinking that America is the only place worth living is racist. Where did you come up with that? I never said Australia is bad becuase there are many different races living there. America is the most diverse place in the world!! Australia is not as developed as the US, thats all. I can only name one Austrailian city, and thats Sydney. We have NY City, Boston, Philedelphia, Atlanta, Seatle, Austin, Huston, LA, San Fransico, Chicago. Australia has the Outback, and Sydney which is about all that your country is known for here in the States(Maybe your cultured pearls also). The reason I don't think Australia is all that great is becuase they don't have inovation and industry, like we have in the US. At least you have alot of inexpensive land(Be greatful for that)!! BTW have you traveled outside the Continent? Ask Chris about Seattle, he'll tell you how nice it is. Anyway, to sum it up, Australia is not bad becuase of the "different races", we have the most diversity here than anywhere else in the world!!! Thats one of the reasons we are #1 in almost all we do.
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As I said, I have more free speech than you because I am less likely to be sued for exercising it. Martin Marvinski wrote: freedom of religion Actually I believe the US is oppressively pseudo Christian, at least I've been told that was the case in the past. Martin Marvinski wrote: the right to bear arms As I've said, this is not a right, it is a burden. Compare homicide figures between our countries, deaths by firearms, etc. Use a site that quotes facts, not the site that Charlton Heston tells lies from. He has been chastised in writing by our government for lying about the effect of our laws on gun control. Martin Marvinski wrote: the right not to quater soldiers You've got a point there - damn soldiers keep messing up my carpet with their muddy boots, and kicking my cat. Are you *serious * ??? Martin Marvinski wrote: the right not to have unreasonable search and seizures Unreasonable is in the eyes of the beholder, but I have that right too Martin Marvinski wrote: the right to be tried only once for a crime You honestly think only the US has this ? Martin Marvinski wrote: the right to a speedy trial you and I both know this is a right that often does not exist in reality. Martin Marvinski wrote: You don't have enough people to declare war on one another. Really ? Then why has Fiji had civil war ? You're being obtuse to avoid the facts. Martin Marvinski wrote: Didn't England have to send orphans to your country to give it more citizens? They probably did it to get rid of them. Martin Marvinski wrote: 1. They are jealous of our might Or offended by the way you misuse it Martin Marvinski wrote: 2. They are jealous of our intellect Most of it imported. Get a life buddy. You're fooling yourself. The home of soap operas leads the world when it comes to intelligence ? Martin Marvinski wrote: 3. they are jealous of our economy Maybe upset at how you use it to bully other nations Martin Marvinski wrote: 4. They are jealous of our educational system You've GOT to be kidding - you're breeding a nation of morons as we speak. Martin Marvinski wrote: 5. They are jeal
Christian Graus wrote: As I've said, this is not a right, it is a burden. Compare homicide figures between our countries, deaths by firearms, etc. Use a site that quotes facts, not the site that Charlton Heston tells lies from. He has been chastised in writing by our government for lying about the effect of our laws on gun control. At least my government trusts it's citizens enough to let them own guns. Most crimes are commited by felons who aren't allowed to possess firearms in the first place. There are very few crimes commited by registered and licensed gun owners.
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Christian Graus wrote: The fact that Australia is made up of different races does not mean that thinking that America is the only place worth living is racist. Where did you come up with that? I never said Australia is bad becuase there are many different races living there. America is the most diverse place in the world!! Australia is not as developed as the US, thats all. I can only name one Austrailian city, and thats Sydney. We have NY City, Boston, Philedelphia, Atlanta, Seatle, Austin, Huston, LA, San Fransico, Chicago. Australia has the Outback, and Sydney which is about all that your country is known for here in the States(Maybe your cultured pearls also). The reason I don't think Australia is all that great is becuase they don't have inovation and industry, like we have in the US. At least you have alot of inexpensive land(Be greatful for that)!! BTW have you traveled outside the Continent? Ask Chris about Seattle, he'll tell you how nice it is. Anyway, to sum it up, Australia is not bad becuase of the "different races", we have the most diversity here than anywhere else in the world!!! Thats one of the reasons we are #1 in almost all we do.
Martin Marvinski wrote: Where did you come up with that? I never said Australia is bad becuase there are many different races living there. America is the most diverse place in the world!! I never said you did, but you said that I was wrong to say you were racist BECAUSE there's lots of races in Australia. So I was trying to say that this does not change your bias in assuming, as you have openly said, that everyone in the world wishes they lived in the USA. I'm not trying to say the USA sucks, I just don't want to live there. Martin Marvinski wrote: I can only name one Austrailian city, and thats Sydney. We have NY City, Boston, Philedelphia, Atlanta, Seatle, Austin, Huston, LA, San Fransico, Chicago. That proves you're ignorant, not that we only have one city. I can name plenty of US cities too, but that's because of Hollywood. So what ? Martin Marvinski wrote: Australia has the Outback, and Sydney which is about all that your country is known for here in the States(Maybe your cultured pearls also). It may surprised you to know that no-one in Australia sits up at night worrying about what we are known for. I equate the USA with gun toting rednecks and street walking crack whores if I have to think about it in general. That does not mean I am right, or that all of the USA is like that, it simply shows the way the media has influenced my view of a place I have never been. I am wise enough to therefore not spout my ill informed opinion as if it were remotely related to fact. Martin Marvinski wrote: The reason I don't think Australia is all that great is becuase they don't have inovation and industry, like we have in the US. The problem is that you're wrong, and that you're wrong to start with by thinking it's your place to make such a comparison publically. Martin Marvinski wrote: BTW have you traveled outside the Continent? Ask Chris about Seattle, he'll tell you how nice it is. I'm yet to leave the Southern Hemisphere, when I do it will be to go to Europe and Britain/Ireland. Martin Marvinski wrote: Anyway, to sum it up, Australia is not bad becuase of the "different races", we have the most diversity here than anywhere else in the world!!! Thats one of the reasons we are #1 in almost all we do. This remains sad, and beneath me to reply to. Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so m
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Shawn Horton wrote: Please, stop feeding the trolls. you'd think I'd learn, but I just can't help myself.... Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm somewhat suspicious of STL though. My (test,experimental) program worked first time. Whats that all about??!?! - Jon Hulatt, 22/3/2002
Christian Graus wrote: Shawn Horton wrote: Please, stop feeding the trolls. you'd think I'd learn, but I just can't help myself.... Christian, your posts are classic trolls. You completely distorted the argument, and now its devolved into this. If you follow the posts, you will see that everything was tame until you decided to start a flame war. I usually don't back down when someone starts talking nonsense about subjects they clearly don't understand, but to call me a troll is quite pathetic. I'm surprised your account hasn't been revoked for your behaviour over the past few months.
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Christian Graus wrote: Shawn Horton wrote: Please, stop feeding the trolls. you'd think I'd learn, but I just can't help myself.... Christian, your posts are classic trolls. You completely distorted the argument, and now its devolved into this. If you follow the posts, you will see that everything was tame until you decided to start a flame war. I usually don't back down when someone starts talking nonsense about subjects they clearly don't understand, but to call me a troll is quite pathetic. I'm surprised your account hasn't been revoked for your behaviour over the past few months.
Martin Marvinski wrote: If you follow the posts, you will see that everything was tame until you decided to start a flame war. Some others who responded were more contained than me, I'll admit. But no-one has actually backed up your POV, you'll have to admit. Martin Marvinski wrote: I usually don't back down when someone starts talking nonsense about subjects they clearly don't understand Here it comes..... Martin Marvinski wrote: but to call me a troll is quite pathetic. 1. I didn't call you a troll - Shawn Horton did. 2. In context, he is saying that you're posting just to get a response, and if that's not the case, you're stupid, so you be the judge. Martin Marvinski wrote: I'm surprised your account hasn't been revoked for your behaviour over the past few months. Do accounts get revoked outside your little fantasy world ? What have I done that offends you, besides pointing out the obvious ? Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm somewhat suspicious of STL though. My (test,experimental) program worked first time. Whats that all about??!?! - Jon Hulatt, 22/3/2002
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Martin Marvinski wrote: You know what we should do? We should start a campaign here at codeproject to help Microsoft in its antitrust fight by writing letters to our elected officals telling them to back off. Yeah, that'll work. We'll, um, write letters. Martin Marvinski wrote: Maybe Chris could get in touch with MS, and they could tell us who to contact and provide us with strategies and insight. I believe in fair competion and I think what Oracle and Sun are doing is just wrong. Read that again. You obviously know nothing of Microsoft's history. What comes around, goes around. Martin Marvinski wrote: Also, Chris could set up a forum here where we could discuss ways to prevent Oracle and Sun from harming our livelyhoods. I know, let's kill Scott McNealy and Larry Ellison. Larry is in my sights already, because the tools that come with Oracle are so very, very bad. Sitting around talking is probably the most constructive thing we can do, it will at least create the illusion we can do something to affect what Sun or Oracle are doing. Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm somewhat suspicious of STL though. My (test,experimental) program worked first time. Whats that all about??!?! - Jon Hulatt, 22/3/2002
Christian Graus wrote: Yeah, that'll work. We'll, um, write letters Yeah, from dead people :-D Bruce Duncan CP#9088, CPUA 0xA1EE, Sonork 100.10030
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