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  • C Christian Graus

    Martin Marvinski wrote: I would feel bad if I lived in anouther country, so I can't critisize you too harshly. The fact that Australia is made up of different races does not mean that thinking that America is the only place worth living is racist. Even if you remove that tag because of it's emotional value, it's still pig ignorant, that's for sure Martin Marvinski wrote: There is a study that suggests that the middle easterners are jealous of our success, and our participation in the world makes them feel that we are rubbing it in their faces. That is why they hate us. A study can prove whatever you want it to. Martin Marvinski wrote: Then how come no other country can rival us? I don't know how to argue points like this ( which are untrue ) without appearing as ignorant as you and risking offending my many American friends here, none of whom are as ignorant as you are. You'll note your countrymen are not rallying to your defence. What does that tell you ? Let's leave it at that - you're a narrow minded bigot and I'd rather we did not speak about this again. Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm somewhat suspicious of STL though. My (test,experimental) program worked first time. Whats that all about??!?! - Jon Hulatt, 22/3/2002

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    Christian Graus wrote: The fact that Australia is made up of different races does not mean that thinking that America is the only place worth living is racist. Where did you come up with that? I never said Australia is bad becuase there are many different races living there. America is the most diverse place in the world!! Australia is not as developed as the US, thats all. I can only name one Austrailian city, and thats Sydney. We have NY City, Boston, Philedelphia, Atlanta, Seatle, Austin, Huston, LA, San Fransico, Chicago. Australia has the Outback, and Sydney which is about all that your country is known for here in the States(Maybe your cultured pearls also). The reason I don't think Australia is all that great is becuase they don't have inovation and industry, like we have in the US. At least you have alot of inexpensive land(Be greatful for that)!! BTW have you traveled outside the Continent? Ask Chris about Seattle, he'll tell you how nice it is. Anyway, to sum it up, Australia is not bad becuase of the "different races", we have the most diversity here than anywhere else in the world!!! Thats one of the reasons we are #1 in almost all we do.

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      As I said, I have more free speech than you because I am less likely to be sued for exercising it. Martin Marvinski wrote: freedom of religion Actually I believe the US is oppressively pseudo Christian, at least I've been told that was the case in the past. Martin Marvinski wrote: the right to bear arms As I've said, this is not a right, it is a burden. Compare homicide figures between our countries, deaths by firearms, etc. Use a site that quotes facts, not the site that Charlton Heston tells lies from. He has been chastised in writing by our government for lying about the effect of our laws on gun control. Martin Marvinski wrote: the right not to quater soldiers You've got a point there - damn soldiers keep messing up my carpet with their muddy boots, and kicking my cat. Are you *serious * ??? Martin Marvinski wrote: the right not to have unreasonable search and seizures Unreasonable is in the eyes of the beholder, but I have that right too Martin Marvinski wrote: the right to be tried only once for a crime You honestly think only the US has this ? Martin Marvinski wrote: the right to a speedy trial you and I both know this is a right that often does not exist in reality. Martin Marvinski wrote: You don't have enough people to declare war on one another. Really ? Then why has Fiji had civil war ? You're being obtuse to avoid the facts. Martin Marvinski wrote: Didn't England have to send orphans to your country to give it more citizens? They probably did it to get rid of them. Martin Marvinski wrote: 1. They are jealous of our might Or offended by the way you misuse it Martin Marvinski wrote: 2. They are jealous of our intellect Most of it imported. Get a life buddy. You're fooling yourself. The home of soap operas leads the world when it comes to intelligence ? Martin Marvinski wrote: 3. they are jealous of our economy Maybe upset at how you use it to bully other nations Martin Marvinski wrote: 4. They are jealous of our educational system You've GOT to be kidding - you're breeding a nation of morons as we speak. Martin Marvinski wrote: 5. They are jeal

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      Christian Graus wrote: As I've said, this is not a right, it is a burden. Compare homicide figures between our countries, deaths by firearms, etc. Use a site that quotes facts, not the site that Charlton Heston tells lies from. He has been chastised in writing by our government for lying about the effect of our laws on gun control. At least my government trusts it's citizens enough to let them own guns. Most crimes are commited by felons who aren't allowed to possess firearms in the first place. There are very few crimes commited by registered and licensed gun owners.

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        Christian Graus wrote: The fact that Australia is made up of different races does not mean that thinking that America is the only place worth living is racist. Where did you come up with that? I never said Australia is bad becuase there are many different races living there. America is the most diverse place in the world!! Australia is not as developed as the US, thats all. I can only name one Austrailian city, and thats Sydney. We have NY City, Boston, Philedelphia, Atlanta, Seatle, Austin, Huston, LA, San Fransico, Chicago. Australia has the Outback, and Sydney which is about all that your country is known for here in the States(Maybe your cultured pearls also). The reason I don't think Australia is all that great is becuase they don't have inovation and industry, like we have in the US. At least you have alot of inexpensive land(Be greatful for that)!! BTW have you traveled outside the Continent? Ask Chris about Seattle, he'll tell you how nice it is. Anyway, to sum it up, Australia is not bad becuase of the "different races", we have the most diversity here than anywhere else in the world!!! Thats one of the reasons we are #1 in almost all we do.

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        Martin Marvinski wrote: Where did you come up with that? I never said Australia is bad becuase there are many different races living there. America is the most diverse place in the world!! I never said you did, but you said that I was wrong to say you were racist BECAUSE there's lots of races in Australia. So I was trying to say that this does not change your bias in assuming, as you have openly said, that everyone in the world wishes they lived in the USA. I'm not trying to say the USA sucks, I just don't want to live there. Martin Marvinski wrote: I can only name one Austrailian city, and thats Sydney. We have NY City, Boston, Philedelphia, Atlanta, Seatle, Austin, Huston, LA, San Fransico, Chicago. That proves you're ignorant, not that we only have one city. I can name plenty of US cities too, but that's because of Hollywood. So what ? Martin Marvinski wrote: Australia has the Outback, and Sydney which is about all that your country is known for here in the States(Maybe your cultured pearls also). It may surprised you to know that no-one in Australia sits up at night worrying about what we are known for. I equate the USA with gun toting rednecks and street walking crack whores if I have to think about it in general. That does not mean I am right, or that all of the USA is like that, it simply shows the way the media has influenced my view of a place I have never been. I am wise enough to therefore not spout my ill informed opinion as if it were remotely related to fact. Martin Marvinski wrote: The reason I don't think Australia is all that great is becuase they don't have inovation and industry, like we have in the US. The problem is that you're wrong, and that you're wrong to start with by thinking it's your place to make such a comparison publically. Martin Marvinski wrote: BTW have you traveled outside the Continent? Ask Chris about Seattle, he'll tell you how nice it is. I'm yet to leave the Southern Hemisphere, when I do it will be to go to Europe and Britain/Ireland. Martin Marvinski wrote: Anyway, to sum it up, Australia is not bad becuase of the "different races", we have the most diversity here than anywhere else in the world!!! Thats one of the reasons we are #1 in almost all we do. This remains sad, and beneath me to reply to. Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so m

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        • C Christian Graus

          Shawn Horton wrote: Please, stop feeding the trolls. you'd think I'd learn, but I just can't help myself.... Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm somewhat suspicious of STL though. My (test,experimental) program worked first time. Whats that all about??!?! - Jon Hulatt, 22/3/2002

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          Christian Graus wrote: Shawn Horton wrote: Please, stop feeding the trolls. you'd think I'd learn, but I just can't help myself.... Christian, your posts are classic trolls. You completely distorted the argument, and now its devolved into this. If you follow the posts, you will see that everything was tame until you decided to start a flame war. I usually don't back down when someone starts talking nonsense about subjects they clearly don't understand, but to call me a troll is quite pathetic. I'm surprised your account hasn't been revoked for your behaviour over the past few months.

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            Christian Graus wrote: Shawn Horton wrote: Please, stop feeding the trolls. you'd think I'd learn, but I just can't help myself.... Christian, your posts are classic trolls. You completely distorted the argument, and now its devolved into this. If you follow the posts, you will see that everything was tame until you decided to start a flame war. I usually don't back down when someone starts talking nonsense about subjects they clearly don't understand, but to call me a troll is quite pathetic. I'm surprised your account hasn't been revoked for your behaviour over the past few months.

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            Martin Marvinski wrote: If you follow the posts, you will see that everything was tame until you decided to start a flame war. Some others who responded were more contained than me, I'll admit. But no-one has actually backed up your POV, you'll have to admit. Martin Marvinski wrote: I usually don't back down when someone starts talking nonsense about subjects they clearly don't understand Here it comes..... Martin Marvinski wrote: but to call me a troll is quite pathetic. 1. I didn't call you a troll - Shawn Horton did. 2. In context, he is saying that you're posting just to get a response, and if that's not the case, you're stupid, so you be the judge. Martin Marvinski wrote: I'm surprised your account hasn't been revoked for your behaviour over the past few months. Do accounts get revoked outside your little fantasy world ? What have I done that offends you, besides pointing out the obvious ? Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm somewhat suspicious of STL though. My (test,experimental) program worked first time. Whats that all about??!?! - Jon Hulatt, 22/3/2002

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            • C Christian Graus

              Martin Marvinski wrote: You know what we should do? We should start a campaign here at codeproject to help Microsoft in its antitrust fight by writing letters to our elected officals telling them to back off. Yeah, that'll work. We'll, um, write letters. Martin Marvinski wrote: Maybe Chris could get in touch with MS, and they could tell us who to contact and provide us with strategies and insight. I believe in fair competion and I think what Oracle and Sun are doing is just wrong. Read that again. You obviously know nothing of Microsoft's history. What comes around, goes around. Martin Marvinski wrote: Also, Chris could set up a forum here where we could discuss ways to prevent Oracle and Sun from harming our livelyhoods. I know, let's kill Scott McNealy and Larry Ellison. Larry is in my sights already, because the tools that come with Oracle are so very, very bad. Sitting around talking is probably the most constructive thing we can do, it will at least create the illusion we can do something to affect what Sun or Oracle are doing. Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm somewhat suspicious of STL though. My (test,experimental) program worked first time. Whats that all about??!?! - Jon Hulatt, 22/3/2002

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              Christian Graus wrote: Yeah, that'll work. We'll, um, write letters Yeah, from dead people :-D Bruce Duncan CP#9088, CPUA 0xA1EE, Sonork 100.10030
              Hi everyone. My name's Bruce. And I suffer from VB.

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              • M Martin Marvinski

                Christian Graus wrote: Shawn Horton wrote: Please, stop feeding the trolls. you'd think I'd learn, but I just can't help myself.... Christian, your posts are classic trolls. You completely distorted the argument, and now its devolved into this. If you follow the posts, you will see that everything was tame until you decided to start a flame war. I usually don't back down when someone starts talking nonsense about subjects they clearly don't understand, but to call me a troll is quite pathetic. I'm surprised your account hasn't been revoked for your behaviour over the past few months.

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                Martin Marvinski wrote: Christian, your posts are classic trolls. No. You sir, are a classic troll, a pretty good one at that. But nontheless a troll. Bruce Duncan CP#9088, CPUA 0xA1EE, Sonork 100.10030
                Hi everyone. My name's Bruce. And I suffer from VB.

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                • M Martin Marvinski

                  Christian Graus wrote: As I've said, this is not a right, it is a burden. Compare homicide figures between our countries, deaths by firearms, etc. Use a site that quotes facts, not the site that Charlton Heston tells lies from. He has been chastised in writing by our government for lying about the effect of our laws on gun control. At least my government trusts it's citizens enough to let them own guns. Most crimes are commited by felons who aren't allowed to possess firearms in the first place. There are very few crimes commited by registered and licensed gun owners.

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                  I'm not going to respond to this directly because I'm trying to avoid coming down to your level, but I will note that even intelligent members of this website become irrational when discussing the brain dead laws the US has in place for arming it's citizens, so what hope would I have discussing it with you ? Can't you see that a legal mechanism for guns in the community only makes it easier for criminals to get guns ? Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm somewhat suspicious of STL though. My (test,experimental) program worked first time. Whats that all about??!?! - Jon Hulatt, 22/3/2002

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                  • C Christian Graus

                    Martin Marvinski wrote: If you follow the posts, you will see that everything was tame until you decided to start a flame war. Some others who responded were more contained than me, I'll admit. But no-one has actually backed up your POV, you'll have to admit. Martin Marvinski wrote: I usually don't back down when someone starts talking nonsense about subjects they clearly don't understand Here it comes..... Martin Marvinski wrote: but to call me a troll is quite pathetic. 1. I didn't call you a troll - Shawn Horton did. 2. In context, he is saying that you're posting just to get a response, and if that's not the case, you're stupid, so you be the judge. Martin Marvinski wrote: I'm surprised your account hasn't been revoked for your behaviour over the past few months. Do accounts get revoked outside your little fantasy world ? What have I done that offends you, besides pointing out the obvious ? Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm somewhat suspicious of STL though. My (test,experimental) program worked first time. Whats that all about??!?! - Jon Hulatt, 22/3/2002

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                    Christian Graus wrote: Do accounts get revoked outside your little fantasy world ? What have I done that offends you, besides pointing out the obvious ? Gosh, you are eloquent sometimes mate :-) Regardz Colin J Davies

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                      Christian Graus wrote: Do accounts get revoked outside your little fantasy world ? What have I done that offends you, besides pointing out the obvious ? Gosh, you are eloquent sometimes mate :-) Regardz Colin J Davies

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                      I want to be more like Nish :) Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm somewhat suspicious of STL though. My (test,experimental) program worked first time. Whats that all about??!?! - Jon Hulatt, 22/3/2002

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                      • C Christian Graus

                        I want to be more like Nish :) Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm somewhat suspicious of STL though. My (test,experimental) program worked first time. Whats that all about??!?! - Jon Hulatt, 22/3/2002

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                        Christian Graus wrote: I want to be more like Nish I guess you mean you wanna be sensitive and not an atheist eh :-) These flame wars are darn silly as you well know Christian, although as you admit you "can't help yourself" ( or something like that). I'd prefer to make friends than enemies, and I think both you and Martin have Cyber personalities that clash easily. Do as you wish mate, but stay healthy :-) Regardz Colin J Davies

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                        • M Martin Marvinski

                          Christian Graus wrote: What freedom do you have that I don't The right of Free Speech, the freedom of religion, the right to bear arms, the right not to quater soldiers, the right not to have unreasonable search and seizures, the right to be tried only once for a crime, the right to a speedy trial, and ect... Christian Graus wrote: We have enough 'rule of law' here in Australia that we've never declared war on one another. You don't have enough people to declare war on one another. Didn't England have to send orphans to your country to give it more citizens? Christian Graus wrote: And arrogant people like you, talking this crap, are the reason so many people hate Americans. There are several reasons why people hate Americans. 1. They are jealous of our might 2. They are jealous of our intellect 3. they are jealous of our economy 4. They are jealous of our educational system 5. They are jealous of our freedoms 6. They are jealous of all our things(every person has at least 2 cars, most own homes, ect. 7. They are brainwashed by their leaders. 8. They are jealous of our inovations( we invented the airplane, tv, radio, computer, we sent men to the moon) The list just goes on, and on. We gave you Microsoft, otherwise you may just be tending sheep or cattle in good ol Australia.(It is a nice place to visit on vacation though!) But not for anything else... BTW if I sound mean, I'm sorry, but don't put down the USA because it did so much for the world. We saved the world from recessions, hilter, our economic aid feeds millions..ect.

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                          Martin Marvinski wrote: The right of Free Speech, the freedom of religion, the right to bear arms, the right not to quater soldiers, the right not to have unreasonable search and seizures, the right to be tried only once for a crime, the right to a speedy trial, and ect... Denmark, let's see: The right of Free Speech: check. the freedom of religion: check. the right to bear arms: No, we believe that it is NOT a human right to be able to blow your neighbors head off, hence we do not have that death by gunshot percentage you guys have. the right not to quater soldiers: As i was unable to find the word quater in the english dictionary, i don't know (but in Denmark we have the right to get an education). the right not to have unreasonable search: check. the right to be tried only once for a crime: Why is THAT a good thing?. Anyway, i do not know the exact laws about that. the right to a speedy trial: check. Martin Marvinski wrote: 1. They are jealous of our might Maybe, but i do not think it is something that keeps people awake at night. Martin Marvinski wrote: 2. They are jealous of our intellect :-D :omg: :confused: :-D Martin Marvinski wrote: 3. they are jealous of our economy You may have a better economy when viewed from above, but the inequalities between the lower, middle and upper classes are so much bigger than in the average EU country. Martin Marvinski wrote: 4. They are jealous of our educational system NO!, ALL of our education institutions are free, and while the quality have somewhat dropped the last many years, they are hardly down to what is considered average in the US. Martin Marvinski wrote: 5. They are jealous of our freedoms As you could see above, you do not have any more freedom that we do. Martin Marvinski wrote: 6. They are jealous of all our things(every person has at least 2 cars, most own homes, ect. Now WHAT are you going to do with TWO cars?... Martin Marvinski wrote: 7. They are brainwashed by their leaders. This may be possible in the US where the people are so obviously undereducated. But anywhere else in the world where free press is not licking the boots of the armed forces (CNN), it is so much harder to cover the truth. Martin Marvinski wrote: 8. They are jealo

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                          • M Martin Marvinski

                            Christian Graus wrote: What freedom do you have that I don't The right of Free Speech, the freedom of religion, the right to bear arms, the right not to quater soldiers, the right not to have unreasonable search and seizures, the right to be tried only once for a crime, the right to a speedy trial, and ect... Christian Graus wrote: We have enough 'rule of law' here in Australia that we've never declared war on one another. You don't have enough people to declare war on one another. Didn't England have to send orphans to your country to give it more citizens? Christian Graus wrote: And arrogant people like you, talking this crap, are the reason so many people hate Americans. There are several reasons why people hate Americans. 1. They are jealous of our might 2. They are jealous of our intellect 3. they are jealous of our economy 4. They are jealous of our educational system 5. They are jealous of our freedoms 6. They are jealous of all our things(every person has at least 2 cars, most own homes, ect. 7. They are brainwashed by their leaders. 8. They are jealous of our inovations( we invented the airplane, tv, radio, computer, we sent men to the moon) The list just goes on, and on. We gave you Microsoft, otherwise you may just be tending sheep or cattle in good ol Australia.(It is a nice place to visit on vacation though!) But not for anything else... BTW if I sound mean, I'm sorry, but don't put down the USA because it did so much for the world. We saved the world from recessions, hilter, our economic aid feeds millions..ect.

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                            I have to reply to your comment. You saved the world from hitler? what a lot of shit. The british empire had the largest effect by far on overthrowing nazi germany. You don't know very much about the history of the war, do you? Britain got involved because it was morally correct to. Americas only assistance for the first 3 years of the war was to sell us guns. When it became financially beneficial to, and when britain had done a lot of the work, america joined in. Don't get me wrong, america were an important part of the Alliance, but to take all the credit is incredibly naiive and innacurate. Sorry to dissapoint you all with my lack of a witty or poignant signature.

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                            • M Martin Marvinski

                              John Carson wrote: Let's see if I have this right. The fact that people are allowed to start their own company means that Microsoft should be allowed to break the law with impunity? Is that your position? Fine. You got me. You proved your point, and I folded like a house of cards. I also made an ass of myself, and I'm sorry to all those who I've offended. You are right and I'm wrong. My unilaterism, and evangelism has made me public enemy number one on this site, and for this I'm sorry. I also apologise to all the Australians, especially Christian Graus, whom I've offended, and take back all my negative and hurtful remarks. I also apologise to the British, among them, David Wulff, of whom I made a horrible comment on his moral character. I am also not going to post any longer so I don't bring up bad memories, and am just going to browse. I obviously don't know how to handle myself in public, and therefore not post until I can be decent.

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                              That apology spoken tongue in cheek, but was strangely accurate. Sorry to dissapoint you all with my lack of a witty or poignant signature.

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                                Say it 3 times fast "Predatory Monopoly"... They've been tried, convicted, punished and tried, convicted, and punished (with some options still open) again for not complying with the first punishment. Your assertion that this trials have some how hurt our livelyhood is absurd, having one company setting the standard hurts your livelyhood. Having one company edge out smaller, better companies because they simply have a bigger bankroll and not better products is the real threat.

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                                I agree with you, except about the 'punished' parts. :| "There is a fine line between lunacy and genius; it is my goal in life to keep them guessing just where the line lies..." -- Unknown

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                                • M Martin Marvinski

                                  I have to disagree with you. Unix and Linux are mainly industrial strenght tools for professionals. I use Linux internally, and most things are done best with a command prompt. *nix was designed to enterprise level performance and stability and therefore has the easy of use trade off. Thomas George wrote: What makes Unix have a steep learning curve? 1.The file system. Imagine someone confronted with that. They would have to go to pathname.com to figure it out. 2. Most things are still installed and configured with .conf files, and you have to compile the programs yourself sometimes! The list goes on and on. Believe me, I'm not against Unix, but it has no place on the desktop of the average user.

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                                  Remember, if windows did not provide user interfaces to configure things and you had to do everything in the ini files and registry, it would be that complicated too. The point is that Linux is just two years into developing into a serious desktop. Solaris never targetted that market. Unix in itself is not more complicated or less complicated than Windows. The usability and the availaibility of user interfaces is the deciding factor. No one in the big Unix companies did it - and they are paying the price for it. There was also a report (someone had posted a link on this forum a few days back) that Microsoft actually started developing NT after they had some problems with getting Xenix (their first choice to build the NT, 2000 and now XP system on - rather than from scratch). It is very naive of you to believe that Windows has a user-friendly OS 'technology' than Unix. Unix companies just need to build their UIs. Also, the terminal server edition of Windows was built using a version of Unix to give the remote desktop features. Do you see anything *Unix* in it? Thomas

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                                  • M Martin Marvinski

                                    Thomas George wrote: Please note that many people who came from other countries contributed to this and in their hearts, many of them are not American Those who come to America are Americans. America is a melting pot of cultures. We are a nation of imigrants.

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                                    Those who come to America are Americans - of course not!! There are a lot of people who do not even apply for citizenship. Thomas

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                                    • C Christian Graus

                                      Martin Marvinski wrote: You know what we should do? We should start a campaign here at codeproject to help Microsoft in its antitrust fight by writing letters to our elected officals telling them to back off. Yeah, that'll work. We'll, um, write letters. Martin Marvinski wrote: Maybe Chris could get in touch with MS, and they could tell us who to contact and provide us with strategies and insight. I believe in fair competion and I think what Oracle and Sun are doing is just wrong. Read that again. You obviously know nothing of Microsoft's history. What comes around, goes around. Martin Marvinski wrote: Also, Chris could set up a forum here where we could discuss ways to prevent Oracle and Sun from harming our livelyhoods. I know, let's kill Scott McNealy and Larry Ellison. Larry is in my sights already, because the tools that come with Oracle are so very, very bad. Sitting around talking is probably the most constructive thing we can do, it will at least create the illusion we can do something to affect what Sun or Oracle are doing. Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm somewhat suspicious of STL though. My (test,experimental) program worked first time. Whats that all about??!?! - Jon Hulatt, 22/3/2002

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                                      Christian Graus wrote: Yeah, that'll work. We'll, um, write letters. It looks like you're writing a letter... It looks like you're writing a letter... It looks like you're writing a letter... It looks like you're writing a letter... It looks like you're writing a letter... It looks like you're writing a letter... It looks like you're writing a letter... It looks like you're writing a letter... It looks like you're writing a letter... It looks like you're writing a letter... It looks like you're writing a letter... It looks like you're writing a letter... It looks like you're writing a letter... It looks like you're writing a letter... It looks like you're writing a letter... It looks like you're writing a letter... It looks like you're writing a letter... It looks like you're writing a letter... It looks like you're writing a letter... It looks like you're writing a letter... It looks like you're writing a letter... It looks like you're writing a letter... It looks like you're writing a letter... It looks like you're writing a letter... It looks like you're writing a letter... It looks like you're writing a letter... It looks like you're writing a letter... It looks like you're writing a letter... It looks like you're writing a letter... It looks like you're writing a letter... It looks like you're writing a letter... It looks like you're writing a letter... It looks like you're writing a letter... It looks like you're writing a letter... It looks like you're writing a letter... It looks like you're writing a letter... It looks like you're writing a letter... It looks like you're writing a letter... It looks like you're writing a letter... It looks like you're writing a letter... It looks like you're writing a letter... It looks like you're writing a letter... It looks like you're writing a letter... It looks like you're writing a letter... It looks like you're writing a letter... It looks like you're writing a letter... It looks like you're writing a letter... It looks like you're writing a letter... It looks like you're writing a letter... It looks like you're writing a letter... It looks like you're writing a letter... It looks like you're writing a letter... It looks like you're writing a letter... It looks like you're writing a letter... It looks like you're writing a letter... It looks like you're writing a letter... It looks like you're writing a letter... It looks like you're writing a letter... It looks like you're

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